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      <title><![CDATA[FBI Stoking Fear]]></title>
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      <description><![CDATA[Another unsubstantiated terrorist plot: An internal memo obtained by The Associated Press says the FBI has received a &quot;plausible but unsubstantiated&quot; report that al-Qaida terrorists in late September...]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another <a href="http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5j1NEBSpGCN1_9rZCXTwXBcnNXOxAD94MNT4O0">unsubstantiated</a> terrorist plot:</p>

<blockquote>An internal memo obtained by The Associated Press says the FBI has received a "plausible but unsubstantiated" report that al-Qaida terrorists in late September may have discussed attacking the subway system.

<p>[...]</p>

<p>The internal bulletin says al-Qaida terrorists "in late September may have discussed targeting transit systems in and around New York City. These discussions reportedly involved the use of suicide bombers or explosives placed on subway/passenger rail systems," according to the document.</p>

<p>"We have no specific details to confirm that this plot has developed beyond aspirational planning, but we are issuing this warning out of concern that such an attack could possibly be conducted during the forthcoming holiday season," according to the warning dated Tuesday.</p>

<p>[...]</p>

<p>Rep. Peter King, the top Republican on the House Homeland Security Committee, said authorities "have very real specifics as to who it is and where the conversation took place and who conducted it."</p>

<p>"It certainly involves suicide bombing attacks on the mass transit system in and around New York and it's plausible, but there's no evidence yet that it's in the process of being carried out," King said.</p>

<p>Knocke, the DHS spokesman, said the warning was issued "out of an abundance of caution going into this holiday season."</blockquote></p>

<p>Got that:  "plausible but unsubstantiated," "may have discussed attacking the subway system," "specific details to confirm that this plot has developed beyond aspirational planning," "attack could possibly be conducted," "it's plausible, but there's no evidence yet that it's in the process of being carried out."</p>

<p>I have no specific details, but I want to warn everybody today that fiery rain might fall from the sky.  Terrorists may have discussed this sort of tactic, and while there is no evidence yet that it's in the process of being carried out, I want to be extra-cautious this holiday season.  Ho ho ho.</p><div class="feedflare">
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      <pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 09:27:35 +0000</pubDate>
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      <title><![CDATA[ Here Comes Everybody Review]]></title>
      <link>http://securityratty.com/article/639cf7107fd08bc70488e1f27a8ec2a3</link>
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      <description><![CDATA[In 1937, Ronald Coase answered one of the most perplexing questions in economics: if markets are so great, why do organizations exist? Why don't people just buy and sell their own services in a market...]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In 1937, Ronald Coase answered one of the most perplexing questions in economics: if markets are so great, why do organizations exist? Why don't people just buy and sell their own services in a market instead? Coase, who won the 1991 Nobel Prize in Economics, answered the question by noting a market's transaction costs: buyers and sellers need to find one another, then reach agreement, and so on. The Coase theorem implies that if these transaction costs are low enough, direct markets of individuals make a whole lot of sense. But if they are too high, it makes more sense to get the job done by an organization that hires people. </p>

<p>Economists have long understood the corollary concept of Coase's ceiling, a point above which organizations collapse under their own weight -- where hiring someone, however competent, means more work for everyone else than the new hire contributes. Software projects often bump their heads against Coase's ceiling: recall Frederick P. Brooks Jr.'s seminal study, <cite>The Mythical Man-Month</cite> (Addison-Wesley, 1975), which showed how adding another person onto a project can slow progress and increase errors. </p>

<p>What's new is something consultant and social technologist Clay Shirky calls &quot;Coase's Floor,&quot; below which we find projects and activities that aren't worth their organizational costs -- things so esoteric, so frivolous, so nonsensical, or just so thoroughly unimportant that no organization, large or small, would ever bother with them. Things that you shake your head at when you see them and think, &quot;That's ridiculous.&quot;</p>

<p>Sounds a lot like the Internet, doesn't it? And that's precisely Shirky's point. His new book, <a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1594201536/counterpane/"><cite>Here Comes Everybody: The Power of Organizing Without Organizations</cite></a>, explores a world where organizational costs are close to zero and where ad hoc, loosely connected groups of unpaid amateurs can create an encyclopedia larger than the Britannica and a computer operating system to challenge Microsoft's. </p>

<p>Shirky teaches at New York University's Interactive Telecommunications Program, but this is no academic book. Sacrificing rigor for readability, <cite>Here Comes Everybody</cite> is an entertaining as well as informative romp through some of the Internet's signal moments -- the Howard Dean phenomenon, Belarusian protests organized on LiveJournal, the lost cellphone of a woman named Ivanna, Meetup.com, flash mobs, Twitter, and more -- which Shirky uses to illustrate his points. </p>

<p>The book is filled with bits of insight and common sense, explaining why young people take better advantage of social tools, how the Internet affects social change, and how most Internet discourse falls somewhere between dinnertime conversation and publishing. </p>

<p>Shirky notes that &quot;most user-generated content isn't 'content' at all, in the sense of being created for general consumption, any more than a phone call between you and a sibling is 'family-generated content.' Most of what gets created on any given day is just the ordinary stuff of life -- gossip, little updates, thinking out loud -- but now it's done in the same medium as professionally produced material. Unlike professionally produced material, however, Internet content can be organized after the fact.&quot; </p>

<p>No one coordinates Flickr's 6 million to 8 million users. Yet Flickr had the first photos from the 2005 London Transport bombings, beating the traditional news media. Why? People with cellphone cameras uploaded their photos to Flickr. They coordinated themselves using tools that Flickr provides. This is the sort of impromptu organization the Internet is ideally suited for. Shirky explains how these moments are harbingers of a future that can self-organize without formal hierarchies. </p>

<p>These nonorganizations allow for contributions from a wider group of people. A newspaper has to pay someone to take photos; it can't be bothered to hire someone to stand around London underground stations waiting for a major event. Similarly, Microsoft has to pay a programmer full time, and <cite>Encyclopedia Britannica</cite> has to pay someone to write articles. But Flickr can make use of a person with just one photo to contribute, Linux can harness the work of a programmer with little time, and Wikipedia benefits if someone corrects just a single typo. These aggregations of millions of actions that were previously below the Coasean floor have enormous potential. </p>

<p>But a flash mob is still a mob. In a world where the Coasean floor is at ground level, all sorts of organizations appear, including ones you might not like: violent political organizations, hate groups, Holocaust deniers, and so on. (Shirky's discussion of teen anorexia support groups makes for very disturbing reading.) This has considerable implications for security, both online and off. </p>

<p>We never realized how much our security could be attributed to distance and inconvenience -- how difficult it is to recruit, organize, coordinate, and communicate without formal organizations. That inadvertent measure of security is now gone. Bad guys, from hacker groups to terrorist groups, will use the same ad hoc organizational technologies that the rest of us do. And while there has been some success in closing down individual Web pages, discussion groups, and blogs, these are just stopgap measures. </p>

<p>In the end, a virtual community is still a community, and it needs to be treated as such. And just as the best way to keep a neighborhood safe is for a policeman to walk around it, the best way to keep a virtual community safe is to have a virtual police presence. </p>

<p>Crime isn't the only danger; there is also isolation. If people can segregate themselves in ever-increasingly specialized groups, then they're less likely to be exposed to alternative ideas. We see a mild form of this in the current political trend of rival political parties having their own news sources, their own narratives, and their own facts. Increased radicalization is another danger lurking below the Coasean floor. </p>

<p>There's no going back, though. We've all figured out that the Internet makes freedom of speech a much harder right to take away. As Shirky demonstrates, Web 2.0 is having the same effect on freedom of assembly. The consequences of this won't be fully seen for years. </p>

<p><cite>Here Comes Everybody</cite> covers some of the same ground as Yochai Benkler's <cite>Wealth of Networks</cite>. But when I had to explain to one of my corporate attorneys how the Internet has changed the nature of public discourse, Shirky's book is the one I recommended.</p>

<p>This essay <a href="http://www.spectrum.ieee.org/sep08/6631">previously appeared</a> in <i>IEEE Spectrum</i>.</p><div class="feedflare">
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      <title><![CDATA[The Future of Ephemeral Conversation]]></title>
      <link>http://securityratty.com/article/1474b03de8a1d60cdf0aa28759ddce93</link>
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      <description><![CDATA[When he becomes president, Barack Obama will have to give up his BlackBerry. Aides are concerned that his unofficial conversations would become part of the presidential record, subject to subpoena and...]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When he becomes president, Barack Obama will have to <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/16/us/politics/16blackberry.html">give up</a> his BlackBerry.  Aides are concerned that his unofficial conversations would become part of the presidential record, subject to subpoena and eventually made public as part of the country's historical record.</p>

<p>This reality of the information age might be particularly stark for the president, but it's no less true for all of us.  Conversation used to be ephemeral.  Whether face-to-face or by phone, we could be reasonably sure that what we said disappeared as soon as we said it. Organized crime bosses worried about phone taps and room bugs, but that was the exception.  Privacy was just assumed.</p>

<p>This has changed.  We chat in e-mail, over SMS and IM, and on social networking websites like Facebook, MySpace, and LiveJournal.  We blog and we Twitter.  These conversations -- with friends, lovers, colleagues, members of our cabinet -- are not ephemeral; they <a href="http://www.schneier.com/essay-109.html">leave their own electronic trails</a>.</p>

<p>We know this intellectually, but we haven't truly internalized it.  We type on, engrossed in conversation, forgetting we're being recorded and those recordings might come back to haunt us later.</p>

<p>Oliver North learned this, way back in 1987, when messages he thought he had deleted were saved by the White House PROFS system, and then subpoenaed in the Iran-Contra affair.  Bill Gates learned this in 1998 when his conversational e-mails were provided to opposing counsel as part of the antitrust litigation discovery process.  Mark Foley learned this in 2006 when his instant messages were <a href="http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/BrianRoss/story?id=2509586">saved and made public</a> by the underage men he talked to.  Paris Hilton learned this in 2005 when her cell phone account was <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/05/19/AR2005051900711.html">hacked</a>, and Sarah Palin learned it earlier this year when her Yahoo e-mail account was hacked.  Someone in George W. Bush's administration learned this, and <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/04/13/white.house.email/index.html">millions of e-mails</a> went mysteriously and conveniently missing.</p>

<p>Ephemeral conversation is dying.</p>

<p>Cardinal Richelieu famously said, :If one would give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest man, I would find something in them to have him hanged."  When all our ephemeral conversations can be saved for later examination, different rules have to apply.  Conversation is not the same thing as correspondence.  Words uttered in haste over morning coffee, whether spoken in a coffee shop or thumbed on a Blackberry, are not official pronouncements.  Discussions in a meeting, whether held in a boardroom or a chat room, are not the same as answers at a press conference.  And privacy isn't just about having something to hide; it <a href="http://www.schneier.com/essay-114.html">has enormous value</a> to democracy, liberty, and our basic humanity.</p>

<p>We can't turn back technology; electronic communications are here to stay and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSA_warrantless_surveillance_controversy">even our voice conversations are threatened</a>.  But as technology makes our conversations less ephemeral, we need laws to step in and safeguard ephemeral conversation.  We need a comprehensive data privacy law, protecting our data and communications regardless of where it is stored or how it is processed. We need laws forcing companies to keep it private and delete it as soon as it is no longer needed.  Laws requiring ISPs to store e-mails and other personal communications are exactly what we don't need.</p>

<p>Rules pertaining to government need to be different, because of the <a href="http://www.schneier.com/essay-208.html">power differential</a>.  Subjecting the president's communications to eventual public review increases liberty because it reduces the government's power with respect to the people.  Subjecting our communications to government review decreases liberty because it reduces our power with respect to the government.  The president, as well as other members of government, need some ability to converse ephemerally -- just as they're allowed to have unrecorded meetings and phone calls -- but more of their actions need to be subject to public scrutiny.</p>

<p>But laws can only go so far.  Law or no law, when something is made public it's too late.  And many of us like having complete records of all our e-mail at our fingertips; it's like our offline brains.</p>

<p>In the end, this is cultural.</p>

<p>The Internet is the greatest generation gap since rock and roll.  We're now witnessing one aspect of that generation gap: the younger generation chats digitally, and the older generation treats those chats as written correspondence.  Until our CEOs blog, our Congressmen Twitter, and our world leaders send each other LOLcats &ndash; until we have a Presidential election where both candidates have a complete history on social networking sites from before they were teenagers&ndash; we aren't fully an information age society.</p>

<p>When everyone leaves a public digital trail of their personal thoughts since birth, no one will think twice about it being there.  Obama might be on the younger side of the generation gap, but the rules he's operating under were written by the older side.  It will take another generation before society's tolerance for digital ephemera changes.</p>

<p>This essay <a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122722381368945937.html">previously appeared</a> on <ui>The Wall Street Journal</a> website (not the print newspaper), and is an update of <a href="http://www.schneier.com/essay-129.html">something I wrote previously</a>.</p><div class="feedflare">
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      <title><![CDATA[Big Bank Does Well FinanciallyReally!]]></title>
      <link>http://securityratty.com/article/d609394d7f70fd775f10d4079ed99f93</link>
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      <description><![CDATA[What a refreshing conversation it wasa Global 100 banks senior IT executive was gushing on how he was in the money. No, really! And even better, amidst todays financial fiascos, he had selected to...]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a refreshing conversation it was&mdash;a Global 100 bank&rsquo;s senior
  IT executive was gushing on how he was in the money. No, really! And even better,
  amidst today&rsquo;s financial fiascos, he had selected to tell me about how
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      <title><![CDATA[Mamma.com: Insider trading and XSS]]></title>
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      <description><![CDATA[Mamma.com 's got issues other than Mark Cuban's insider trading allegations. As a point of reference for this conversation, Mamma.com is ranked 4064 on Alexa as of today
I won't profess to following...]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<a href="http://mamma.com/" target="_blank">Mamma.com</a>'s got issues other than Mark Cuban's insider trading allegations. As a point of reference for this conversation, Mamma.com is ranked <a href="http://www.alexa.com/search?q=mamma.com" target="_blank">4064</a> on <a href="http://www.alexa.com" target="_blank">Alexa</a> as of today.<br />I won't profess to following Mr. Cuban's public life and the occasional antics. Obviously, he's a colorful and popular figure; certainly in Dallas, if not nationally. <br />What follows is not a judgment of Mr. Cuban or his pending legal challenges. I'm sure the process will play itself out accordingly.<br />A quick summary and some reference material:<br />The SEC has <a href="http://www.businessweek.com/the_thread/blogspotting/archives/2008/11/sec_hits_mark_c.html?chan=technology_technology+index+page_top+stories" target="_blank">filed</a> insider trading charges against Mr. Cuban. "According to the SEC, Cuban dumped 600,000 shares, or all of his 6.3% stake, in the search engine Mamma.com (The Mother of All Search Engines), in June 2004 after learning about private financing that the company was proposing. By selling, he avoided losing $750,000, the SEC alleges."<br />The whole issue for Mr. Cuban was <a href="http://blogmaverick.com/2008/11/17/the-sec/" target="_blank">PIPE</a> financing because it's "dilutive to existing shareholders’ stakes."<br />That's the long and the short of the current issue, and again, not my real interest here, with the exception of the bet I made with myself regarding the probable web application security posture of mamma.com. <br />All this talk about a popular site immediately sets off the little bell in my head (I hear it a lot). <span style="font-weight:bold;"><br />"What's wrong with the site?" is always the first question I ask myself.</span> <br /><br />I was not disappointed. <br /><br />Mamma.com exhibits the following issues:<br />1) XSS vulnerability in the <span style="font-style:italic;">utfout<span style="font-weight:bold;"><span style="font-style:italic;"></span></span></span> variable.<br /><br /><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_kVOWaY1TAF0/SSNDBtG5jhI/AAAAAAAAAEs/rIT7buzVsao/s1600-h/mamma1.png" target="_blank"><img style="cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 320px; height: 184px;" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_kVOWaY1TAF0/SSNDBtG5jhI/AAAAAAAAAEs/rIT7buzVsao/s320/mamma1.png" border="0" alt=""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5270129685521075730" /></a><br /><br />2) XSS vulnerability in the <span style="font-style:italic;">qtype</span> variable.<br /><br /><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_kVOWaY1TAF0/SSNDSxiGVeI/AAAAAAAAAE0/E-McmPqvoDQ/s1600-h/mamma2.png" target="_blank"><img style="cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 320px; height: 201px;" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_kVOWaY1TAF0/SSNDSxiGVeI/AAAAAAAAAE0/E-McmPqvoDQ/s320/mamma2.png" border="0" alt=""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5270129978766677474" /></a><br /><br />3) XSS vulnerability in their Mammajobs site at the <span style="font-style:italic;">pid</span> variable. This one's weirder still; if you drop an IFRAME in, it simply redirects to any URL you include in the IFRAME string.<br /><br /><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_kVOWaY1TAF0/SSNDd-U7c0I/AAAAAAAAAE8/GCrCAoYom5k/s1600-h/mamma3.png" target="_blank"><img style="cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 320px; height: 99px;" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_kVOWaY1TAF0/SSNDd-U7c0I/AAAAAAAAAE8/GCrCAoYom5k/s320/mamma3.png" border="0" alt=""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5270130171179660098" /></a><br /><br />4) The prospect of CSRF (rather pointless here given that its just a search engine, but but still defies best practices) appears likely given that mamma.com blindly accepts updates via GET and POST with no sign of a formkey (canary) in sight.<br /><br />I figured it best to stop there, and have submitted all these to Copernic (the Momma parent company). <br />I am however truly disappointed that an enterprise as ambitious and motivated as Momma/Copernic seems to have thrown the baby out with the bath water when it comes to web application security.<br />With regard to Mark Cuban dumping his shares: maybe he was afraid of getting pwned. ;-) All kidding aside, it's a shame that the whimsical and pessimistic thoughts regarding web site security that bounce around in my head inevitably bear themselves out.<br /><br /><a href="http://del.icio.us/post?url=http://holisticinfosec.blogspot.com/2008/11/mammacom-insider-trading-and-xss.html&title=Mamma.com:%20Insider%20trading%20and%20XSS " title="Mamma.com: Insider trading and XSS ">del.icio.us</a> | <a href="http://digg.com/submit?phase=2&amp;url=http://holisticinfosec.blogspot.com/2008/11/mammacom-insider-trading-and-xss.html" title="Mamma.com: Insider trading and XSS ">digg</a> | <a href="http://slashdot.org/submit.pl?url=http://holisticinfosec.blogspot.com/2008/11/mammacom-insider-trading-and-xss.html">Submit to Slashdot</a>]]></content:encoded>
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      <source url="http://holisticinfosec.blogspot.com/2008/11/mammacom-insider-trading-and-xss.html">Mamma.com: Insider trading and XSS</source>
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      <title><![CDATA[Data Loss Prevention Tools: Friend or Foe?]]></title>
      <link>http://securityratty.com/article/ca67a18e4d56f645bdc3eb1f183611ba</link>
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      <description><![CDATA[I recently visited a customer and we had an in-depth conversation about the use of DLP in a large corporate environment. The customer agreed that the technology surrounding DLP is great and that it...]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><B>I  recently visited a customer and we had an in-depth conversation about the use  of DLP in a large corporate environment.</b>  The customer agreed that the technology surrounding DLP is great and  that it would definitely help identify potential rogue employees.&nbsp; However, the customer also expressed concerns  about when is enough&hellip;enough.</b>]]></content:encoded>
      <pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 21:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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      <source url="http://www.rsa.com/blog/blog_entry.aspx?id=1382">Data Loss Prevention Tools: Friend or Foe?</source>
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      <title><![CDATA[Credit Cards Failing Open]]></title>
      <link>http://securityratty.com/article/0d97a3eab73024d98685f3d33f481217</link>
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      <description><![CDATA[Most consumers are aware that when you close a credit card account, its not really closed . For convenience reasons, recurring subscription charges such as your cable bill will continue to be...]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most consumers are aware that when you close a credit card account, <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/moneybox/3227850.stm">it&#8217;s not really closed</a>.  For &#8220;convenience&#8221; reasons, recurring subscription charges such as your cable bill will continue to be approved.  You can kind of see where the credit card companies are coming from, but it&#8217;s a pretty weak argument.  The cable company just needs to notify me that the credit card on file is no longer valid, and I&#8217;ll update my information.  Problem solved.</p>
<p>But that credit card weirdness is nothing compared to the one I&#8217;m about to describe.  </p>
<p>Before we do that, let&#8217;s take a moment to discuss the design principle of <a href="https://buildsecurityin.us-cert.gov/daisy/bsi/articles/knowledge/principles/349-BSI.html">failing securely</a>.  The general idea is that if a security mechanism fails, it should fail closed.  If your firewall crashes, it should block all traffic, not allow all the packets through.  If the power source to your card key system is interrupted, it shouldn&#8217;t unlock all the doors.  If the connection between your application server and your LDAP directory is severed, subsequent authentication requests should be rejected, not approved.  This is not rocket science.</p>
<p>So back to credit cards.  I had a conversation last night with an old friend who related a bizarre situation they had encountered during the QA process for one of their web applications.  One of their tests involved repeatedly attempting a credit card transaction using a canceled/expired American Express card.  Here&#8217;s what they saw in their logs, paraphrased by me:</p>
<pre>
Attempt 1: Denied
Attempt 2: Denied
Attempt 3: Denied
 .
 .
 .
Attempt 49: Denied
Attempt 50: Denied
Attempt 51: Approved
</pre>
<p>What the&#8230;?  Approved?  That can&#8217;t be right.  So they ran the test again.  Every time, after multiple consecutive rejected attempts, the transaction would inexplicably go through.  The threshold wasn&#8217;t always 50, but the general pattern was consistent &#8212; keep trying and eventually it&#8217;ll work.  Clearly, this had to be a bug in the code, but a deep-dive into the guts of the application turned up nothing. The application security group got American Express on the phone to see if they had any insight on this odd behavior.  The answer?  They didn&#8217;t concede the failure was on their end, despite log data showing the successful authorization codes.  </p>
<p>My gut instinct would be that the application requesting the transactions wasn&#8217;t failing securely (e.g. network connection to AmEx timed out, so just approve the transaction).  But that explanation wouldn&#8217;t account for authorization codes coming back.</p>
<p>So what in the world is going on here?  Why would the system behave this way?  Is it by design?  I can&#8217;t think of a single legitimate use case for failing open like this.  If this is actually a design decision by the credit card companies, I have no doubt that someone in our audience knows the rest of the story.</p>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 16:35:34 +0000</pubDate>
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      <source url="http://www.veracode.com/blog/2008/10/credit-cards-failing-open/">Credit Cards Failing Open</source>
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      <title><![CDATA[What's Happiness Got to Do With It?]]></title>
      <link>http://securityratty.com/article/141d4a55a5d3195a7aaaa7ca4b3a3c7e</link>
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      <description><![CDATA[Gartner's own John Pescatore has issued a 12 world post
The best security program is at the business with the happiest customers

Happiness? Really? That's the measure of program effectiveness? I...]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gartner&#39;s own John Pescatore has issued a 12 world <a href="http://blogs.gartner.com/john_pescatore/2008/10/28/twelve-word-tuesday-measuring-security-program-effectiveness/">post:</a></p><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span style="color: #333333; font-family: Arial; font-size: 14px; line-height: 17px; ">The best security program is at the business with the happiest customers.</span></p></blockquote><br /><div>Happiness? Really? That&#39;s the measure of program effectiveness? I would see those 12 words and raise them one word (13 if you&#39;re scoring at home):</div><br /><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p>There&#39;s a fine line between happy customers and playing piano in a bordello.</p></blockquote><br /><div>I mean the people running hedge funds and derivative books at AIG, Lehman and friends had lots of happy customers for the last decade!</div><br /><div>To me the happy customer is a classic IT copout &quot;we just did what the &quot;business&quot; asked&quot;. Like we&#39;re just a bystander or something. Its our job to create business value and be business like. We should seek to <span style="font-style: italic;">empower</span> out customers, not make them happy.&#0160;</div><br /><div>Please understand I am not that guy who says IT security has to be the &quot;bad cops&quot; who deny everything the business wants to do. Just saying it is our job to raise the bar where we can. Raising the bar does not always create super happy customers in the short run, but it does empower companies.</div><br /><div>Unfortunately, playing piano in the bordello is what a lot of security groups do and even big analyst firms. The path of least resistance ain&#39;t always the way. Here is an example. I was at a client many years ago, they wanted to build a big Identity Management solution, so of course they wrote a big RFI got responses from Sun, IBM, Oracle and friends. The bids were in the $3-5 million range. Pretty big projects for an Infosec team. So what do you do? Call up a big analyst firm and get some advice, right?</div><br /><div>A week goes by and we get an audience with the &quot;guru&quot; from the Big Analyst Firm. The client has pretty detailed requirements, what systems they want to connect to, what use cases they are looking to solve for, &#0160;and so on. We anxiously await the knowledge the analyst is about to transfer to us. His response was as follows - &quot;what kind of shop are you? IBM shop? Oracle shop?&quot; &quot;Ummm...we are a huge company we have everything.&quot; &quot;Well if you are more of a IBM shop you should go with them. If you are more of a Oracle shop you should go with them.&quot; That was the extent of a 30 minute conversation. True story.</div><br /><div>Of course, the one value proposition of the Big Analyst Firms is that they supposedly can tell you what everyone else is supposedly doing. There is some value in this I grant you. And it does make for happy customers because even when you force your customers to change, you can say &quot;Well geez, I know its hard but the Big Analyst Firm says that everyone is doing it.&quot; But is this security improvement?</div><br /><div>Back in 2004, I went to a great security conference, it was Information Security Decisions (<a href="http://infosecurityconference.techtarget.com/conference/index.html">they are back in Chicago next week</a>). It was in Chicago, downtown on the river. Tom Davern even took us all out on a boat for lunch one day. Anyway, there was one truly great talk there. It wasn&#39;t Fred Cohen debating <a href="http://cigital.com/justiceleague/">Gary McGraw</a> on application security which was outstanding (in which Fred uttered the memorable line &quot;I agree with Gary everywhere he agrees with me.&quot; (Gary won the debate, his best line - &quot;We know how to win the software security war, but we don&#39;t know how to manage the peace&quot; still the problem today actually)) It wasn&#39;t Pete Lindstrom showing his security metrics framework (which is still a great starting point). it wasn&#39;t Dan Geer&#39;s fireside chat.</div><br /><div>The truly great talk, though, was by the now departed <a href="http://1raindrop.typepad.com/1_raindrop/2007/02/thinking_about_.html">Robert Garigue</a>. It was called &quot;Its the End of the CISO as I Know It, (And I Feel Fine).&quot; The whole end to end talk was wonderful, there are several things in there that I still use every single day like the separate security models for Infostructure and Infrastructure but the point I want to talk about is the CISO role.</div><br /><div>Garigue talked about the two most prevalent CISO models - the jester and the bad cop. The jester CISO</div><br /><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; ">Sees a lot</span><br /><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; ">Can tell the king he has no clothes</span><br /><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; ">Can tell the king he really is ugly</span><br /><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; ">Does not get killed by the king</span><br /><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; ">Nice to have around but…how much security improvement comes from this ?</span></p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px;"><br /></span></p><div><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px;">The jester has happy customers! At least for awhile.</span></div><div><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px;">Again I grant you bad cop is not the way to go either (and while this already long post could read harsh on John Pescatore&#39;s pithy summary, I give him a lot of points for saying that security needs to be customer conscious).</span></div><div><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px;">We have all seen bad cop CISOs who</span></div><div><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px;"><br /></span></div><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; ">Changes happened faster that he was able to move</span><br /><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; ">Did not read the signs</span><br /><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; ">Good intentions went unfulfilled</span><br /><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; ">A brutal way to ending a promising career</span><br /><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; ">Sad to have around but…how much security improvement comes from this ?</span></p></blockquote><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px;"><br /></span></p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px;"></span></p><p style="margin-top: 10px; margin-bottom: 10px; text-align: left; ">Obviously these models of CISOs are not solving our information security problems. Instead Dr. Garigue points us to Charlemagne as a better model</p><blockquote style="margin-top: 10px; margin-bottom: 10px; "><p>King of the Franks and Holy Roman Emperor; conqueror of the Lombards and Saxons (742-814) - reunited much of Europe after the Dark Ages.</p><p style="margin-top: 10px; margin-bottom: 10px; text-align: left; ">He set up other schools, opening them to peasant boys as well as nobles. Charlemagne never stopped studying. He brought an English monk, Alcuin, and other scholars to his court - encouraging the development of a standard script.</p><p style="margin-top: 10px; margin-bottom: 10px; text-align: left; ">He set up money standards to encourage commerce, tried to build a Rhine-Danube canal, and urged better farming methods. He especially worked to spread education and Christianity in every class of people.</p><p style="margin-top: 10px; margin-bottom: 10px; text-align: left; ">He relied on Counts, Margraves and Missi Domini to help him.</p><p style="margin-top: 10px; margin-bottom: 10px; text-align: left; ">Margraves - Guard the frontier districts of the empire. Margraves retained, within their own jurisdictions, the authority of dukes in the feudal arm of the empire.</p><p style="margin-top: 10px; margin-bottom: 10px; text-align: left; ">Missi Domini - Messengers of the King.</p></blockquote><p style="margin-top: 10px; margin-bottom: 10px; text-align: left; "></p><p style="margin-top: 10px; margin-bottom: 10px; text-align: left; ">This is the way forward! Find software security champions in the architecture and development groups,help them understand the real security issues. They will find solutions you have not thought of. Same for DBAs, same for business analysts even. Its all about beating the bushes, education, and decentralizing security services. Specifically, he points out this important mandate for IT security</p><p></p><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; ">Knowledge of risky things is of strategic value</span></p></blockquote><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; ">How to know today tomorrow’s unknown ?</span><br /><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; ">How to structure information security processes in an organization so as to identify and address the NEXT categories of risks ?</span></p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px;"></span></p><p style="margin-top: 10px; margin-bottom: 10px; text-align: left; ">To me this is our mandate and measure of effectiveness. Empower our customers, educate, and create business value. If I am a CISO &#0160;I don&#39;t want 20 people reporting to me who do firewall ruleset changes. I want one champion in 20 different groups - development teams, architects, DBAs, business analysts.</p><p style="margin-top: 10px; margin-bottom: 10px; text-align: left; ">A concrete example, infosec can continue to go along with the herd and follow the &quot;what everyone else is doing architecture&quot; meanwhile developers are connecting <span style="font-style: italic;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">every single thing</span></span> in your business to the Web. I have been doing integration and new technology projects for a long time, and let me tell you - Change does not always create happy customers in the short run. But the chart below shows that information security is maybe more concerned with not causing waves rather than adapting.</p><p style="margin-top: 10px; margin-bottom: 10px; text-align: left; "></p>
<div><a href="http://1raindrop.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/05/19/innovatecompare_2.png"><img alt="Innovatecompare_2" border="0" height="167" src="http://1raindrop.typepad.com/1_raindrop/images/2008/05/19/innovatecompare_2.png" title="Innovatecompare_2" width="300" /></a><p></p></div><div>How long can developers evolve, connect everything and security people not change anything? Herb Stein said, &quot;things that can&#39;t go on forever, don&#39;t. &quot;At some point these chickens are coming home to roost, there is a yawning gap between rapidly evolution connecting the enterprise and the 13 year old and counting security architecture that &quot;Everyone else is using&quot; and when those chicken come home to roost you may not have happy customers then. Here is my 12 words:</div><br /><p></p><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span style="color: #333333; font-family: Arial; font-size: 14px; line-height: 17px; ">The best security program is at the business with sustainable competitive advantage.</span></p></blockquote>]]></content:encoded>
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      <source url="http://1raindrop.typepad.com/1_raindrop/2008/10/whats-happiness-got-to-do-with-it-1.html">What's Happiness Got to Do With It?</source>
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      <description><![CDATA[I generally avoid commenting on election politics -- that's not what this blog is about -- but this comment by Barak Obama is worth discussing: [Q] I have been collecting accounts of your meeting with...]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I generally avoid commenting on election politics -- that's not what this blog is about -- but <a href="http://www.time-blog.com/swampland/2008/10/the_full_obama_interview.html">this comment</a> by Barak Obama is worth discussing:</p>

<blockquote>[Q] I have been collecting accounts of your meeting with David Petraeus in Baghdad. And you had [inaudible] after he had made a really strong pitch [inaudible] for maximum flexibility. A lot of politicians at that moment would have said [inaudible] but from what I hear, you pushed back.

<p>[BO] I did. I remember the conversation, pretty precisely. He made the case for maximum flexibility and I said you know what if I were in your shoes I would be making the exact same argument because your job right now is to succeed in Iraq on as favorable terms as we can get. My job as a potential commander in chief is to view your counsel and your interests through the prism of our overall national security which includes what is happening in Afghanistan, which includes the costs to our image in the middle east, to the continued occupation, which includes the financial costs of our occupation, which includes what it is doing to our military. So I said look, I described in my mind at list an analogous situation where I am sure he has to deal with situations where the commanding officer in [inaudible] says I need more troops here now because I really think I can make progress doing x y and z. That commanding officer is doing his job in Ramadi, but Petraeus's job is to step back and see how does it impact Iraq as a whole. My argument was I have got to do the same thing here. And based on my strong assessment particularly having just come from Afghanistan were going to have to make a different decision. But the point is that hopefully I communicated to the press my complete respect and gratitude to him and Proder who was in the meeting for their outstanding work. Our differences don't necessarily derive from differences in sort of, or my differences with him don't derive from tactical objections to his approach. But rather from a strategic framework that is trying to take into account the challenges to our national security and the fact that we've got finite resources.</blockquote></p>

<p>I have made this general point again and again -- about airline security, about terrorism, about a lot of things -- that the person in charge of the security system can't be the person who decides what resources to devote to that security system.  The analogy I like to use is a company: the VP of marketing wants all the money for marketing, the VP of engineering wants all the money for engineering, and so on; and the CEO has to balance all of those needs and do what's right for the company.  So of course the TSA wants to spend all this money on new airplane security systems; that's their job.  Someone above the TSA has to balance the risks to airlines with the other risks our country faces and allocate budget accordingly.  Security is a trade-off, and that trade-off has to be made by someone with responsibility over all aspects of that trade-off.</p>

<p>I don't think I've ever heard a politician make this point so explicitly.</p><div class="feedflare">
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      <title><![CDATA[Hardware Keyloggers use detection and mitigation Phreaknic Presentation slides posted]]></title>
      <link>http://securityratty.com/article/a4ffb7265555883a6ec1791fa2e0813f</link>
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      <description><![CDATA[Phreaknic was a great time this year, as always. I've posted the slides from my hardware key loggers presentation at the above link. I'd like to thank the following people
Sky Dog and crew for making...]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<a href="http://www.phreaknic.info">Phreaknic</a> was a great time this year, as always. I've posted the slides from my hardware key loggers presentation at the above link. <br/>I'd like to thank the following people: 
<p>Sky Dog and crew for making it happen.<br/><a href="http://dailyduino.com/">Droops/Morgellon</a> for their presentation on <a href="http://dailyduino.com/">Arduino</a>, time for some hardware hacking. <br/>Sorteal for showing me the LiVes Open Source video editor.<br/>Marie for the dance and conversation.<br/><a href="http://www.digome.com/">TRiP</a> for an excellent talk on the legalities of wardriving.<br/>HandGrip/Buttstock for the Open Source AK-47 talk.<br/>All the folks who let me interview them.<br/>DOSman and Zack form being DOSman and Zack.<br/><a href="http://leebaird.com/Me/Hacking.html">Lee Baird</a> and John Skinner for comparing mobile hacking notes with me (Yippy <a href="http://leebaird.com/Me/Hacking.html">hacking with the iPhone / iPwn</a>).<br/><a href="http://www.offensive-security.com/">Ziplock</a> for the encouragement. <br/><a href="http://dualcoremusic.com/nerdcore/">Int 80</a> for the <a href="http://dualcoremusic.com/nerdcore/">Nercore</a> entertainment. <br/>Scott Moulton for the talk "At Least TEN things you didn't know about your hard drive!" Go check out his <a href="http://www.myharddrivedied.com/presentations.html">forensics and hard drive recovery videos</a>. <br/><a href="http://hackerpimps.com/">Nathan Hamiel/Shawn Moyer</a> for "Satan is on my Friends List: Attacking Social Networks", looks like I need to get into some CSRF. <br/><a href="http://www.hak5.org/">Darren, Shannon and Mubix of Hak5 </a>for the interview.<br/><a href="http://www.rmccurdy.com/">operat0r</a> for the Ettercap ideas.<br/>Brian for driving me down.</p>
<p>And everyone else I'm forgetting. It was a great weekend.</p>
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