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      <title><![CDATA[Stop Me if This Sounds Familiar]]></title>
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      <description><![CDATA[My favorite book from last year was Charlie Munger's &quot;Poor Charlie's Almanack&quot; , there are so many fascinating parts in the book I can't go into them all here. Charlie Munger is Warren Buffett's...]]></description>
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 My favorite book from last year was Charlie Munger&#39;s <a href="http://www.poorcharliesalmanack.com/index.html">&quot;Poor Charlie&#39;s Almanack&quot;</a>, there are so many fascinating parts in the book I can&#39;t go into them all here. Charlie Munger is Warren Buffett&#39;s partner at Berkshire Hathaway, the book is a collection of a number of his speeches, and serves as a great backdrop for today&#39;s events, an &#0160;investing education, and a way to think through complex problems (&quot;invert! always invert!&quot;). It goes without saying that I think you should buy this book.&#0160;</p><br /><div>Chapter Three is a collection of Munger&#39;s unscripted remarks at Berkshire Hathaway and Wesco annual meetings. The below sections were transcribed by <a href="http://www.tilsonfunds.com/">Whitney Tilson</a>, &#0160;from annual meetings around the 2003-4 time period, and are pretty interesting given our current financial predicament.</div><br /><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Warnings About Financial Institutions and Derivatives</span></p><p><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Risks of Financial Institutions</span><br />The nature of a financial institution is that there are a lot of ways to go to hell in a bucket. You can push credit too far, do a dumb acquisition, leverage yourself excessively---its not just derivatives [that can bring about your downfall].</p><p>Maybe it&#39;s unique to us, but we&#39;re quite sensitive to financial risks. Financial institutions make us nervous when they&#39;re trying to do well.</p><p>We&#39;re exceptionally goosey of leveraged financial institutions. If they start talking about how good their risk management is, it makes us nervous.</p><p>We fret way earlier than other people. We&#39;ve left a lot of money on the table through early fretting. It&#39;s the way we are -- you&#39;ll just have to live with it.</p><p><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Derivatives</span><br />The system is almost insanely irresponsible. and what people think are fixes aren&#39;t realy fixes. It&#39;s so complicated I can&#39;t do it justice here - but you can&#39;t believe the trillions of dollars involved. You can&#39;t believe the complexity. You can&#39;t believe how difficult it is to do the accounting. You can&#39;t believe how big the incentives are to have wishful thinking about values and wishful thinking about ability to clear.</p><p>People don&#39;t think about the consequences of the consequences. People start by trying to hedge against interest rate changes, which is very difficult and complicated. Then, the hedges make the [reported profits] lumpy. So they use the new derivatives to smooth this. Well, now you&#39;ve morphed into lying. This turns into a Mad Hatter&#39;s Tea Party. This happens to vast, sophisticated corporations.</p><p>Somebody has to step in and say, &quot;We&#39;re not going to do it - it&#39;s just too hard.&quot;</p><p>I think a good litmus test of the mental and moral quality at any large institutions [with significant derivative exposure] would be to ask them, &quot;Do you really understand your derivatives book?&quot; Anyone who says yes is either crazy or lying.</p><p>It&#39;s easy to see [the dangers] when you talk about [what happened with] the energy derivatives - they went kerflooey. When [the companies] reached for the assets that were on their books, the money wasn&#39;t there. When it comes to financial assets, we haven&#39;t had any such denouement and the accountings hasn&#39;t changed so the denouement is ahead of us.</p><p>Derivatives are full of clauses that say if one party&#39;s credit gets downgraded then it has to put up collateral. It&#39;s like margin - you can go broke [just putting up more margin]. In an attempt to protect themselves, they&#39;ve introduced instability. Nobody seems to recognize what a disaster of a system they&#39;ve created. It&#39;s a demented system.&#0160;</p><p>In engineering people have a big margin of safety. But in the financial world, people don&#39;t give a damn about safety. They let it balloon and balloon and balloon. It&#39;s aided by false accounting. I&#39;m more pessimistic about this than Warren is.</p><p><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Accounting for Derivatives</span><br />I hate with a passion GAAP [Generally Accepted Accounting Principles] as applied to derivatives and swaps. JP Morgan sold out to this type of accounting to front-end revenues. I think it&#39;s a disgrace.</p><p>It&#39;s bonkers, and the accountants sold out. Everyone caved, adopted loose [accounting] standards, and created exotic derivatives linked to theoretical models. As a result, all kinds of earnings, blessed by accountants, are not really being earned. When you reach for the money, it melts away. It was never there.</p><p>It [accounting for derivatives] is just disgusting. It is a sewer, and if I&#39;m right, there will be hell to pay in due course. All of you will have to prepare to deal with a blowup of derivative books.</p><p><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Likelihood of a Derivatives Blowup</span><br />We tried to sell Gen Re&#39;s derivatives operations and couldn&#39;t, so we started liquidating it. We had to take big markdowns. I would confidently predict that most of the derivatives books of [this country&#39;s] major banks cannot be liquidated for anything like what they&#39;re carried on the books at. When the denouement will happen and how severe it will be, I don&#39;t know. But I fear the consequences could be fearsome. I think there are major problems, worse than in the energy field, and look at the destruction there.</p><p>I&#39;ll be amazed if we don&#39;t have some kind of significant [derivatives-related] blowup in the next five to ten years.</p><p>I think we&#39;re he only big corporation in America to be running off its derivative book.</p><p>It&#39;s a crazy idea for people who are already rich - &#0160;like Berkshire - to be in this business. It&#39;s a crazy business for big banks to be in.</p><p>Yo would be disgusted if you had a fair mind and spent a month really delving into a big derivative operation. You would think it was Lewis Carroll. You would think it was the Mad Hatter&#39;s Tea Party. And the false precision of these people is just unbelievable. They make the worst economics professors look like gods. Moreover, there is depravity augmenting the folly. Read the book F.I.A.S.C.O., by law professor and former derivative trader Frank Partnoy, an insider account of the depravity of derivative trading at one of the biggest and best-regarded Wall Street firms. This book will turn your stomach.</p></blockquote><br /><div>These are very blunt warnings from a legendary investor over many years, yet no one listened. It does explain why it is so hard for Infosec to make its case for building margins of safety into the system.</div><br /><br /><br />]]></content:encoded>
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      <title><![CDATA[Corporate Greed and the Destabilization of Society]]></title>
      <link>http://securityratty.com/article/155810725ba943a1b35e1c2b39138f7a</link>
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      <description><![CDATA[In The Audacity of Capital Markets we briefly touched on the culture of arrogance and greed in financial services. It is interesting because if you look at the various software players that are...]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In <a title="The Audacity of Capital Markets" rel="bookmark" href="../2008/09/19/the-audacity-of-capital-markets/">The Audacity of Capital Markets</a> we briefly touched on the culture of arrogance and greed in financial services.  It is interesting because if you look at the various software players that are focused on selling to financial services, you will easily see that they have bought into the same &#8220;feed the beast&#8221; culture that has contributed to the destabilization of the economy and, in turn, society.</p>
<p>For example, the &#8220;Average Joe Investor&#8221; does not care about &#8220;best order execution&#8221; or &#8220;smart order routing,&#8221; this is for &#8220;the big boys.&#8221;  As we all know, saving a few pennies or dollars per transaction to &#8220;Average Joe Investor&#8221; does nothing for them when their retirement nest egg is lost due to corporate greed and negligence.     The folks who &#8220;really care&#8221; about shaving a few milliseconds off market execution are the companies that are trading high volumes of exotic derivatives and baskets who have, for the most part, zero interest in the personal financial portfolio of &#8220;Jane in Iowa&#8221; or &#8220;Joe in Kansas.&#8221;</p>
<p>I am really amazed to see the dominance of greed in corporate America and the lack of corporate social responsibility.  Risk taking and &#8220;split second trading&#8221; does little for any small. individual investor and has proven to destabilize our society.    Who cares about saving a few pennies or dollars in market executive?</p>
<p>The answer: Only the greedy corporations, the same people responsible for the current destabilization, chao and near collaspe of our entire financial system.   Homes lost, unprecedented bankruptcies. and money market funds less than par value!   You no doubt have read that folks in the <a href="http://www.reservefunds.com/" target="_blank">Reserve Money Market funds</a> cannot even withdraw their &#8220;safe money.&#8221;  Investors in the Reserve Funds are being told that for every dollar they invested in a money market, they now only have 97 cents and cannot withdraw their capital as the Reserve waits for a government bailout.</p>
<p>What is to blame? Greed and profits over corporate social responsibility are to blame.</p>
<p>I read where some folks think the government needs to regulate market-related news, supposedly to stabilize trading based on news.   Regulating news has another name -  &#8220;censorship&#8221; - but who cares about the US Constitution when money and split second algo trading is involved?    I am amazed.   Folks in financial services just will say or do anything to make a buck, or keep from losing one, even at the expense of society and our basic constitutional freedoms.  News is not regulated in our democratic society, nor should it be to make algorithmic trading &#8220;better&#8221;.     What we need is less split second, computerized algo trading and more stablity.   Machine processing should not dicate nor mandate changes to our democratic principles.</p>
<p>Nor should our lives in a free society be censored or regulated because of the trading requirements for split second transactions that benefit large corporations.    The average investor does not need an unstable financial system trading exotic derivatives and baskets at the speed of light.  This requirement is driven by corporate greed that destabilizes the core economy and fabric of our society.</p>
<p>Of couse, many of the same folks would like for us to believe that technology is the answer.  This is a fallacy.</p>
<p>Corporate greed is destabilizing society.   What need to be regulated is not the news, but corporate risk taking and corporate goverance.  Individual investors do not need lightspeed transactions in an unstable world.   Citizens and families need a secure, stable economic infrastructure, something that has been lost in the culture of corporate greed, but hopefully not forever.</p>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 14:24:22 +0000</pubDate>
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      <title><![CDATA[So Logically, If She Weighs The Same As A DuckShes A Witch!]]></title>
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      <description><![CDATA[I usually try to stay far away from politics and current events, but my friend Rich has put up a blog post blaming the credit crisis on quantitative analysis, and then positing that because the...]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I usually try to stay far away from politics and current events, but my friend <strong><a href="http://securosis.com/2008/09/17/the-fallacy-of-complete-and-accurate-risk-quantification/">Rich has put up a blog post</a></strong> blaming the credit crisis on quantitative analysis, and then positing that because the economy sucks, Information Security should be only qualitative.</p>
<p>Now I&#8217;ve been &#8220;accused&#8221; of being a quant in the past (hi rybolov!) but in reality the only dogs I have in this fight are the model and the application of scientific method - and really, ethically speaking, I have to be tied to the latter while applying the former.</p>
<p>And I see a false dichotomy in this whole Quant vs. Qual thing.  We, as a profession, tend to create a political divide between the two which, if it even exists, I&#8217;d say is based more on our ignorance rather than our expertise.  After all, we are the profession that regularly multiplies across ordinal scales and uses wonderful models like R=VxTxI.   As someone  learning to deal in probabilities and rationalism, I have to recognize that this discussion is really just about the act of observation using different metrics of measurement.</p>
<p>But how we&#8217;re going about observing does not change the fact that there is measurement based on observation.  So if I&#8217;m working with you I can easily turn your qualitative scale into a quantitative one, and vice-versa.  Yes, Shrdlu, if we had the time, even your most seemingly Qual things could be Quant! (This flexible world view, btw, is an outcome of that new-fangled Bayesian thing).</p>
<p><strong>COGNITIVE BIAS A-PLENTY</strong></p>
<p>But back to what Rich is saying there about information security and risk - and he isn&#8217;t/won&#8217;t be the only one saying these sorts of things - we should try to understand what&#8217;s really going on rather than get caught up in the emotional hurricane.  Our profession suffers several forms of cognitive bias.  The nature of our jobs and what we do can cause us to be focused on the outcome and not the quality of the decision at the time it was made.  We want to bring in things from other professions that are useful, but at times we do view things outside our profession with false correlation to our own (unfortunately for those who write these sorts of articles, financial risk is <em><strong>completely different</strong></em> than operational risk).  We also have the tendency to focus on negative outcomes without acknowledging the positive outcomes (For example, I hear that Alan Greenspan&#8217;s new firm is up a couple of $billion in all this mess since he joined them, short sellers are doing quite well - must be because they have qualitative models or something <em>-grin-</em>).  The effect of these biases are compounded by the facts that proper correlation takes more work than we usually give it, and rational thought is not that easy when there&#8217;s a witch-hunt mentality.</p>
<div class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 257px"><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrzMhU_4m-g"><img src="http://www.riskmanagementinsight.com/media/images/weblog/peasants.png" alt="Burn her anyway!" width="247" height="219" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">What also floats in water? (link to Youtube)</p></div>
<p><strong>WHAT SHOULD WE BE THINKING ABOUT?</strong></p>
<p>So as you and I read opinions that seem to be the polar opposite of irrational exuberance (and there will be plenty between now and the election) we&#8217;ll have to ask ourselves, &#8220;what really failed here?&#8221;  At the risk (pun) of over-simplification:</p>
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<li>Was There an Error on the part of Probability Theory?</li>
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<p>After all, Probability Science like all other fields of knowledge is always &#8220;advancing&#8221; as they say.  So perhaps probability theory is wrong somehow?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m personally disinclined to put the blame here, primarily because I would think that there would be evidence from other fields (like Quantum Mechanics) that something is amiss waaaaay before it hit a field like economics.</p>
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<li>Was There Error In The Model Used to Determine Risk?</li>
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<p>Some people who understand real estate valuation and complex derivatives and financial risk want to put the blame here.  It&#8217;s a little too early to tell, but one thing is for sure - Financial risk is so different from operational risk I couldn&#8217;t begin to hazard an opinion on the subject.   But it would seem that this is really somewhere we might look.</p>
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<li>Was There Error In The  Scale Used (Quantitative vs. Qualitative)?</li>
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<p>Honestly?  I find it extremely difficult to understand how this could be the source of financial ruin.</p>
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<li>Was There Error on the part of the Decision Maker?</li>
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<p>What if all of the above were just fine, and the decision maker chose short term gain over long term stability?  What if this was (to simplify the matter greatly) a choice of &#8220;heads&#8221; over &#8220;tails&#8221; and the coin landed on tails?  What if the model represented the right risk (probability of negative outcome vs. positive outcome), but the complex derivative was sold to someone else who had poor &#8220;risk management&#8221; (ability to make a good decisions)?</p>
<p>Now I have no clue about complex derivatives, and I&#8217;m oversimplifying to be sure - chances are like most things, there are several problems that helped create the primary cause. But it seems to me that as we go into incident response mode for the economy, it&#8217;s more helpful to do so in a rational, logical manner.<br />
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OTHER THINGS WE MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER</strong></p>
<p><span style="color: #008000;"><strong>Consider the Source</strong></span><br />
Some authors (who I think tend to exploit outcome and hindsight bias,and then combine those with indirect ad hominem attacks in order to sell their books), are actually putting forth arguments against the use of analytics.  The source of this is a current epistemic debate between those who believe that only falsification is certain, and those who maintain that neither proof nor falsification are certain, there are only probabilities.    So before you go believing any &#8220;quadrants&#8221; of usefulness on faith - I encourage you to understand what is at the heart of the discussion.<br />
<span style="color: #008000;"><strong><br />
We All Have to Live In The Real World</strong></span><br />
The sun will rise tomorrow, and someone will try to find the source of the problem and do a better job.  Now chances are, they&#8217;ll be doing it in a quantitative manner.  Chances are also that at some point their models will fail and we&#8217;ll need to build new ones.  And this will happen whether the field is cosmology, economics, meteorology, information security, or professional baseball.<br />
<strong><br />
WHAT ABOUT YOU, ALEX?</strong></p>
<p>I&#8217;m far from certain and subject to change, but these days I lean towards <strong><a href="http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/09/who-to-blame.html">Robin Hanson &amp; MIchael Lewis</a></strong> w/regards to placing blame.</p>
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      <source url="http://riskmanagementinsight.com/riskanalysis/?p=420">So Logically, If She Weighs The Same As A DuckShes A Witch!</source>
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      <link>http://securityratty.com/article/b4259e9d1ccfa754480b062e7acb4e32</link>
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      <description><![CDATA[A few months back Minyanville wondered whether this subprime mess would end up as a cancer or a car crash. Guess we know the answer now. The question is - should we be at all surprised? Some smart...]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span style="white-space: pre-wrap; font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;">A few months back </span></span><a href="http://www.minyanville.com/articles/football-bears-bulls-Credit-equities-fannie/index/a/18769"><span style="font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;">Minyanville</span></span></a><span style="white-space: pre-wrap; font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;"> wondered whether this subprime mess would end up as a cancer or a car crash. Guess we know the answer now. The question is - should we be at all surprised?

Some smart folks have been warning for a long time. Warren Buffett famously called derivatives financial weapons of mass destruction.</span></span></p><div><span style="line-height: 14px; white-space: pre-wrap; font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span style="white-space: pre-wrap; font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;">Charlie Munger, as he is wont to do, went a bit further (from 2004):</span></span></div><div><span style="line-height: 14px; white-space: pre-wrap; font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;"><br /></span></span></div><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span style="color: #222222; line-height: 20px; font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;">I think a good litmus test of the mental and moral quality at any large institution [with significant derivatives exposure] would be to ask them, &quot;Do you really understand your derivatives book?&quot; Anyone who says yes is either crazy or lying.</span></span></p></blockquote><div><span style="white-space: pre-wrap; font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;">
</span></span><div><span style="white-space: pre-wrap; font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;">They have many other statements in the same direction, based on their own experience from buying companies that used deriviatives where they were unable to to unwind the books and figure out who owed who. At the last Berkshire Hathaway annual meeting someone asked Charlie Munger what we could learn from past blow ups about the present crisis</span></span></div><div><span style="line-height: 14px; white-space: pre-wrap; font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;"><br /></span></span></div><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 20px; font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;">It was a particularly foolish mess. We talked about an idiot in the credit delivery grocery business, Webvan. Internet based delivery service for groceries -- that was smarter than what happened in mortgage business. I wish we had those Webvan people back.</span></span></p></blockquote><div><div><span style="white-space: pre-wrap; font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;">
What can we learn from all this?
<br /></span></span></div><div><span style="line-height: 14px; white-space: pre-wrap; font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;">Well Dan Geer launched a revolution with his </span></span><a href="http://catless.ncl.ac.uk/risks/20.06.html"><span style="font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;">famous speech</span></span></a><span style="line-height: 14px; white-space: pre-wrap; font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;"> about risk management. He got the big picture part right on the security industry evolving into more risk management practices, however the examples we assumed that were right at the time, the financial industry are proving wrong. For one thing you can&#39;t manage a risk if you don&#39;t know the assets (back to Charlie Munger, emphasis added):</span></span></div><div><span style="line-height: 14px; white-space: pre-wrap; font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;"><br /></span></span></div></div></div><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 20px; "><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 20px; font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;">It is crazy to allow things to get too big to fail, run with knavery. As an industry, there is a crazy culture of greed and overreaching and overconfidence trading algorithms. It is demented to allow derivative trading such that clearance risks are embedded in system. Assets are all “good until reached for” on balance sheets. We had $400m of that at general re, </span></span><span style="font-weight: bold; font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;">“good until reached for”</span></span><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 20px; font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;">. In drug business you must prove it is good. It is a crazy culture, and to some extent an evil culture. Accounting people really failed us. Accounting standards ought to be dealt with like engineering standards.</span></span></span></p></blockquote><div><div><div><span style="line-height: 14px; white-space: pre-wrap; font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span style="line-height: 14px; white-space: pre-wrap; font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;">So, yes it is about risk management, but if you build too many abstractions on top of your assets through derivative accounting and such you may find you don&#39;t have any assets when you need them. Don&#39;t fall in love with your abstractions, </span></span><a href="http://1raindrop.typepad.com/1_raindrop/2008/04/security-rules.html"><span style="font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;">manage your assets</span></span></a><span style="line-height: 14px; white-space: pre-wrap; font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;">.</span></span></div><div><span style="line-height: 14px; white-space: pre-wrap; font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span style="line-height: 14px; white-space: pre-wrap; font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;">There are some clear lessons for us in Information Security, err I mean Information Risk Management.</span></span></div><div><span style="font-size: 12px; white-space: pre-wrap; "><span style="white-space: pre-wrap; font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;">
</span></span><span style="font-style: italic; font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;">Margin of safety</span></span><span style="white-space: pre-wrap; font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;">
Its our job to manage risk, but this doesn&#39;t mean that we have to build layers and layer of abstraction on top of it. It also means that we help to design, build, deploy, and operate systems with margins of safety. Understanding the failure modes and accounting for this in design. Developers (because they are supposed to) and architects (because they haven&#39;t been properly trained) focus on functional requirements, building features, but on security not so much. There are many ways to improve security in a system and they are all inadequate by themselves, but we can help find </span></span></span><a href="http://1raindrop.typepad.com/1_raindrop/2007/06/cost_effective_.html"><span style="font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;">cost effective improvements</span></span></a><span style="white-space: pre-wrap; font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;">. </span></span></div><div><span style="line-height: 14px; white-space: pre-wrap; font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span style="font-size: 12px; white-space: pre-wrap; "><span style="font-style: italic; font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;">Don&#39;t fall in love with abstractions</span></span><span style="white-space: pre-wrap; font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;">
</span></span></span></div><div><span style="line-height: 14px; white-space: pre-wrap; font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;">If you have a 100,000 dekstops or 100,000 servers it hard to manage. You will need to automate and to do that you need to abstract, but you should also realize that its a drawing on a whiteboard not reality. You need </span></span><a href="http://1raindrop.typepad.com/1_raindrop/2005/12/the_road_to_ass.html"><span style="font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;">abstraction assurance</span></span></a><span style="line-height: 14px; white-space: pre-wrap; font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;">.&#160;</span></span></div><div><span style="line-height: 14px; white-space: pre-wrap; font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;"><br /></span></span></div><div><a href="https://financialcryptography.com/"><span style="font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;">Ian Grigg</span></span></a><span style="line-height: 14px; white-space: pre-wrap; font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;"> </span></span><a href="http://1raindrop.typepad.com/1_raindrop/2008/09/if-a-tree-falls-in-someone-elses-silo.html#comments"><span style="font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;">commented</span></span></a><span style="line-height: 14px; white-space: pre-wrap; font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;"> on an earlier post</span></span></div><div><span style="line-height: 14px; white-space: pre-wrap; font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;"><br /></span></span></div></div></div><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;">There are distinct parallels between phishing / retail payments, and the bigger investment mess. In both cases, banks would argue these are core business. In both cases, they have applied risk-based security models, and accepted some loss. In both cases, they have the ability to apply substantial experience to the monitoring, allocating and absorbing risks and losses.</span></span></p></blockquote><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;"><br /></span></span><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;">In both cases, they watched and did nothing as the risks started from low, and migrated upwards. Are we at the point where regulation has killed the ability of banks to apply their (arguable) one core skill, to whit, risk-based analysis? Are banks that far out of banking that they no longer have it?</span></span></p></blockquote><div><div><div><span style="line-height: 14px; white-space: pre-wrap; font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span style="line-height: 14px; white-space: pre-wrap; font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;">So you have to remember that top down and bottom up need to be combined.</span></span></div><div><span style="line-height: 14px; white-space: pre-wrap; font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span style="font-size: 12px; line-height: 14px; white-space: pre-wrap; "><span style="font-style: italic; font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;">Design for failure</span></span></span></div><div><span style="line-height: 14px; white-space: pre-wrap; font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;">Dan Geer has also told the story that he sat in a large bank&#39;s risk management training, and the trainer said &quot;you may wonder why this works so well. it works because there is zero ambiguity over who owns what risk.&quot; Dan&#39;s thought was - &quot;in my field we have nothing but ambiguity.&quot; Turns out the second part was right, we have nothing but ambiguity over who owns what risk; unfortunately the financial people have much more ambiguity than they thought! So we do have a lesson here after all, and it this - when the thing you thought was true isn&#39;t, the failure mode is very ugly. </span></span><a href="http://1raindrop.typepad.com/1_raindrop/2006/01/design_for_fail.html"><span style="font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;">Design for failure - a</span></span></a><span style="line-height: 14px; white-space: pre-wrap; font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;">dd layers of protection. </span></span><span style="font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span style="white-space: pre-wrap; font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span style="font-size: 12px; white-space: pre-wrap; "><span style="font-style: italic; font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;">Keep it simple.</span></span></span></div><div><span style="line-height: 14px; white-space: pre-wrap; font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;">They have some smart engineers at Google to be sure, but even they had </span></span><a href="http://www.identityblog.com/?p=1011"><span style="font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;">incredibly basic errors in their SSO</span></span></a><span style="line-height: 14px; white-space: pre-wrap; font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;">. I have seen other obvious fails like people signing WS-Security messages, and the recipient checks for a signature but not if they trust the signer! There are so many ways to shoot yourself in the foot in a loosely coupled systems, and we have so many abstractions layered on top of each other, part of the mantra of protecting assets has to be keeping it simple.</span></span></div><div><span style="line-height: 14px; white-space: pre-wrap; font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span style="line-height: 14px; white-space: pre-wrap; font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;">So that is my list, to do all these things it requires that Infosec get in the game, understand the use cases, understand the business value (it should be abundantly clear that you can&#39;t simply rely on &quot;business people&quot; to be &quot;business experts&quot;), and that you not lose sight of the asset amidst all the abstraction. Finally, the systems we build security on are very primitive, a firewall and SSL are fine, a seatbelt was fine in 1935 and its still fine today, but there are lots of other safety controls in cars. ABS, airbags, traction control, they all protect the assets far better than in 1935, that&#39;s what we need to build.</span></span></div><div><span style="line-height: 14px; white-space: pre-wrap; font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span style="line-height: 14px; white-space: pre-wrap; font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;">Anyone can make bad assumptions (assume you know who owns what risk) and its easy to make bad abstractions (the firewall protects the information system), but when you combine bad assumptions with bad abstractions you&#39;ll get assets that are good until reached for sooner or later</span></span></div></div></div>]]></content:encoded>
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      <description><![CDATA[Information risk management, and lessons-learned in the financial industry Last week's Economist had a good article entitled &quot;Confessions of a Risk Manager&quot;, in which a risk manager from a global bank...]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[Information risk management, and lessons-learned in the financial industry

Last week's <a href="http://www.economist.com/finance/displaystory.cfm?story_id=11897037">Economist</a> had a good article entitled "Confessions of a Risk Manager", in which a risk manager from a global bank uses 20-20 hindsight to look at "what went wrong" in the lead-up to the credit crunch and the ensuing fallout.

I won't pretend to understand all the ins and outs of financial derivatives, <B>but there were some points raised that anyone in the IT security space can identify with...</b>]]></content:encoded>
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      <title><![CDATA[Vulnerabilities in Antivirus Software - Conflict of Interest]]></title>
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      <description><![CDATA[Vulnerabilities within security solutions -- antivirus software in this case -- are a natural event, however, the conflict of interests and failure of communication between those finding them and...]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="separator" style="text-align: center; clear: both;"><a href="http://bp3.blogger.com/_wICHhTiQmrA/SIg38-WOQQI/AAAAAAAAB9M/PHaw4e4SYmo/s1600-h/nruns_mcafee_av_vulnerabilities.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="border: 0pt none ; background-color: transparent; clear: left; margin-bottom: 1em; float: left; margin-right: 1em;"><img src="http://bp3.blogger.com/_wICHhTiQmrA/SIg38-WOQQI/AAAAAAAAB9M/xp4nOKjGb1Q/s200-R/nruns_mcafee_av_vulnerabilities.JPG" style="border: 0pt none ;" /></a></div>Vulnerabilities within security solutions -- antivirus software in this case -- are a natural event, however, the conflict of interests and failure of communication between those finding them and those failing to acknowledge them as vulnerabilities in general, harms the customer. How they get count, and how is their severity measured in a situation where a vulnerability bypassing the scanning method of an antivirus software allowing malware to sneak in, is less important than a remote code execution through the antivirus software, is a good example of short sightedness. Here's a related development regarding a recent study regarding vulnerabilities in antivirus software - "<a href="http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=1538">McAfee debunks recent vulnerabilities in AV software research, n.runs restates its position</a>" :<br />
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"<i>Several days after blogging about a research conduced by n.runs AG that managed to <a href="http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=1445" title="Approximately 800 vulnerabilities discovered in antivirus products">discover approximately 800 vulnerabilities in antivirus products</a>, McAfee issued a statement basically <a href="http://www.avertlabs.com/research/blog/index.php/2008/07/10/vulnerabilities-in-av-software/" title="Vulnerabilities in AV software">debunking the number of vulnerabilities found</a>, and providing its own account into the number of vulnerabilities affecting its own products :</i><br />
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<i>“A recent <a href="http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=1445">ZDnet blog</a> discusses a large number of vulnerabilities German research team N.Runs says it found in antimalware products from nearly every vendor. The ZDNet posting includes scary graphs to frighten users of security products. We researched the N.Runs claims by analyzing the raw data and found their claims to be somewhat exaggerated. We will discuss our findings (and make available our source data) in the attached <a href="http://vil.nai.com/images/AvertBlog_Vulnerabilities%20in%20AV%20software.pdf">document</a>. We have also provided our <a href="http://vil.nai.com/images/AvertBlog%20-%20800%20vulns.xls">source data</a> for anyone who wishes to examine it.”</i><br />
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<i>Today, n.runs AG has issued <a href="http://www.prweb.com/releases/aps-av/nruns/prweb1134004.htm" title="Over 800 Vulnerabilities in Anti-Virus Software -- Reaction to the McAfee Statement">a response to McAfee’s statement</a>, providing even more <a href="http://www.nruns.com/_downloads/PR-08-02_Reaction_to_McAfee_statement.pdf" title="Response to McAfee Statement">insights into the vulnerabilities they’ve managed to find</a>, how they found them, and why are the affected antivirus vendors questioning the number of flaws in general.</i>"<br />
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Consider going through the <a href="http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=1538">interview with Thierry Zoller</a> as well. <br />
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<a href="http://ddanchev.blogspot.com/2006/01/was-wmf-vulnerability-purchased-for.html">Was the WMF vulnerability purchased for $4000?!</a><br />
<a href="http://ddanchev.blogspot.com/2006/03/wheres-my-0day-please.html">Where's my 0day, please?</a><br />
<a href="http://ddanchev.blogspot.com/2006/07/scientifically-predicting-software.html">Scientifically Predicting Software Vulnerabilities</a><br />
<a href="http://ddanchev.blogspot.com/2006/09/zero-day-initiative-upcoming-zero-day.html">Zero Day Initiative "Upcoming Zero Day Vulnerabilities"</a><br />
<a href="http://ddanchev.blogspot.com/2006/05/delaying-yesterdays-0day-security.html">Delaying Yesterday's "0day" Security Vulnerability</a><br />
<a href="http://ddanchev.blogspot.com/2006/05/shaping-market-for-security.html">Shaping the Market for Security Vulnerabilities Through Exploit Derivatives</a><br />
<a href="http://ddanchev.blogspot.com/2007/09/zero-day-vulnerabilities-market-model.html">Zero Day Vulnerabilities Market Model Gone Wrong</a><br />
<a href="http://ddanchev.blogspot.com/2007/07/zero-day-vulnerabilities-auction.html">Zero Day Vulnerabilities Auction</a><br />
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      <source url="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/DanchoDanchevOnSecurityAndNewMedia/~3/344429091/vulnerabilities-in-antivirus-software.html">Vulnerabilities in Antivirus Software - Conflict of Interest</source>
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      <description><![CDATA[It is astounding, and in the words of Societe Generale's chairman and chief executive, Daniel Bouton unbelievable that a person could single-handedly circumvent the security of Frances second largest...]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0pt"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">It is astounding, and in the words of Societe Generale's chairman and chief executive, Daniel Bouton “unbelievable” that a person could single-handedly circumvent the security of France’s second largest bank to cause so much damage. This event brings to bear what security professionals have been saying for years – focus on the insider threat. Mr. <a name="OLE_LINK2">Kerviel</a> cost the bank $7.2 billion by making huge unauthorized trades that he hid for months by allegedly hacking into the computers of the bank and creating fraudulent transactions to hide his tracks. The combined trading positions he built up totaled some €50 billion, or $73 billion. While this level of exposure going unnoticed boggles the mind, none of it could have happened without a fundamental failure of information security controls.</span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0pt"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Here are ten lessons for us security folks to pass on to our executive teams. </span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 28.8pt; TEXT-INDENT: -10.8pt; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list 28.8pt"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Symbol; mso-fareast-font-family: Symbol; mso-bidi-font-family: Symbol; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold"><span style="mso-list: Ignore">·<span style="FONT: 7pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp; &nbsp; </span></span></span><strong><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Security is first and foremost a people problem:</span></strong><strong><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span></strong><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <span style="COLOR: black">Societe Generale probably had good set of security products and technologies in place, but all the security technology in the world won't necessarily help if an employee is in a position to figure out the processes and has the ability to disable the alarms. It does drive home the point that the insider threat may not be the most popular form of attack, but it usually is the most damaging.</span><strong></strong></span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 28.8pt; TEXT-INDENT: -10.8pt; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list 28.8pt"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Symbol; mso-fareast-font-family: Symbol; mso-bidi-font-family: Symbol; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold"><span style="mso-list: Ignore">·<span style="FONT: 7pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp; &nbsp; </span></span></span><strong><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Monitor privileged access:</span></strong><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <span style="COLOR: black">I have had many conversations with CISOs who are reluctant to monitor their system administrators and privileged access users because they feel that there is a level of trust that exists between them and they may send of a wrong signal by monitoring them. Although a majority of people are trustworthy, trusting your privileged users is not a defense that will hold in any court. You have to design security systems based on the assumption that every user is a malicious user.</span> <strong></strong></span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 28.8pt; TEXT-INDENT: -10.8pt; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list 28.8pt"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Symbol; mso-fareast-font-family: Symbol; mso-bidi-font-family: Symbol; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold"><span style="mso-list: Ignore">·<span style="FONT: 7pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp; &nbsp; </span></span></span><strong><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Policies without implementation are worse than not having policies. </span></strong><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I’m sure Societe Generale had a policy of not sharing passwords and mechanisms to encrypt or mask the passwords. So how was Mr. Kerviel able to gain access to not one but multiple passwords? Having a policy creates a liability for the organization to ensure that it is implemented and gives the organization a false sense of security.</span><strong></strong></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 28.8pt; TEXT-INDENT: -10.8pt; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list 28.8pt"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Symbol; mso-fareast-font-family: Symbol; mso-bidi-font-family: Symbol; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold"><span style="mso-list: Ignore">·<span style="FONT: 7pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp; &nbsp; </span></span></span><strong><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Everyone is not after the money.</span></strong><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <span style="COLOR: black">One perpetuating myth about hackers is that they are all after financial gain. This may or may not be true. In Societe Generale’s case French prosecutors announced that they'll pursue four charges, including breach of confidence, misrepresentation, and illegal use of logins. The company is not charging Kerviel of trying to steal company secrets or financial fraud. All he wanted was </span></span><span lang="EN" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN">to be seen as an exceptional trader, an astute market player.<span style="COLOR: black"> </span></span><strong></strong></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 28.8pt; TEXT-INDENT: -10.8pt; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list 28.8pt"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Symbol; mso-fareast-font-family: Symbol; mso-bidi-font-family: Symbol; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold"><span style="mso-list: Ignore">·<span style="FONT: 7pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp; &nbsp; </span></span></span><strong><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Policy, Implementation, and Audit should stay separate. </span></strong><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">We often forget that people who set the policy should not be the ones implementing or auditing it. Although all these groups work together to ensure the security of the organization, insider knowledge in one area should not be shared with other areas. This was clearly not considered when Kerviel moved from the auditing department to the department he audited (i.e., trading). </span><strong></strong></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 28.8pt; TEXT-INDENT: -10.8pt; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list 28.8pt"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Symbol; mso-fareast-font-family: Symbol; mso-bidi-font-family: Symbol"><span style="mso-list: Ignore">·<span style="FONT: 7pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp; &nbsp; </span></span></span><strong><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">You don’t need to be a genius to “hack” into systems. </span></strong><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Kerviel was not a security expert nor did he ever claim to be. He had extensive knowledge of the back office processes that enabled him to side step the controls in place.</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <span style="COLOR: black">Jerome Kerviel lists Microsoft Office and Microsoft Visual Basic as his only IT-related skills. That is hardly the profile of a “hacker”. </span></span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 28.8pt; TEXT-INDENT: -10.8pt; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list 28.8pt"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Symbol; mso-fareast-font-family: Symbol; mso-bidi-font-family: Symbol"><span style="mso-list: Ignore">·<span style="FONT: 7pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp; &nbsp; </span></span></span><strong><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Access restrictions must be implemented as people move within the organization. </span></strong><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Access control processes are not implemented well in most organizations. Companies usually terminate access of employees who leave the company, but for people who change positions within a company, this is often the case. Hopefully Kerviel’s access privileges as he changed positions will be closely scrutinized as part of the investigation. </span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 28.8pt; TEXT-INDENT: -10.8pt; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list 28.8pt"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Symbol; mso-fareast-font-family: Symbol; mso-bidi-font-family: Symbol"><span style="mso-list: Ignore">·<span style="FONT: 7pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp; &nbsp; </span></span></span><strong><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Awareness and training serves as the first line of defense</span></strong><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">. Awareness and training can help reduce a significant amount of risk by informing users of their responsibilities to follow policies and to report suspicious activity. Sadly, this is one area that many organizations ignore. I would be very surprised if there weren’t tell-tale signs of suspicious activity during this episode that a properly trained employee would have been able to spot.</span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 28.8pt; TEXT-INDENT: -10.8pt; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list 28.8pt"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Symbol; mso-fareast-font-family: Symbol; mso-bidi-font-family: Symbol"><span style="mso-list: Ignore">·<span style="FONT: 7pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp; &nbsp; </span></span></span><strong><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Consistent monitoring triggers may be a bellwether of a bigger issue. </span></strong><span lang="EN" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN">Societe Generale had challenged Kerviel several times about risky operations, and each time he produced fictitious documents to justify himself. Eurex, a derivatives exchange, alerted Societe Generale in November 2007 about the positions taken by Jerome Kerviel. Not heeding these advance warnings and not understanding that they may have pointed to a much larger risk were clearly mistakes.</span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 28.8pt; TEXT-INDENT: -10.8pt; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list 28.8pt"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Symbol; mso-fareast-font-family: Symbol; mso-bidi-font-family: Symbol"><span style="mso-list: Ignore">·<span style="FONT: 7pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp; &nbsp; </span></span></span><strong><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">It could happen to the best of us.</span></strong><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </span><span lang="EN" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN">Societe Generale was a leader in derivatives and was considered by some to be one of the best risk managers in the world. The company seemed to understand a lot of elements of risk management really well, but still failed in a critically important area. There is often as assumption that things are more under control than they actually are. A recent Deloitte survey found that&nbsp; 46% of companies surveyed failed to have a formal security strategy in place. Still, 69% said they are &quot;very confident&quot; or &quot;extremely confident&quot; about their organization's effectiveness at tackling external security challenges.</span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0pt"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sadly, events such as these articulate the point much more effectively than a CISO saying that we should implement security. So we should take this opportunity to remind our executives of how we could be in similar situations if we don’t manage our information risks effectively. </span></p>]]></content:encoded>
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<p>Yesterday Societe Generale, the second-biggest bank in France, announced that it had suffered almost 5 billion Euros in losses due to the activities of one of the bank's derivatives traders.</p>

<p>Societe Generale apologized for the losses, and explained a three-day delay in announcing the fraud publicly by saying that bank officials needed time to unwind as many of the fraudulent positions as possible in order to limit the bank¹s losses.</p>

<p>Although Societe Generale did not identify the trader responsible for the fraud in their initial communications, he has subsequently been identified as one Jerome Kerviel.</p>

<p>Societe Generale's press release regarding the incident can be found here:<br /><a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/graphics/2008/01/24/socgen.pdf">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/graphics/2008/01/24/socgen.pdf</a>.</p>

<p>The details of the fraud are not yet completely clear, and uninformed speculation is not likely to be helpful.&nbsp; But the first paragraph of the bank¹s press release deserves comment.</p>

<p>Societe Generale begins by saying this: &quot;Societe Generale Group (the &quot;Group&quot;) has uncovered a fraud, exceptional in its size and nature: one trader, responsible for plain vanilla futures hedging on European equity market indices, had taken massive fraudulent directional positions in 2007 and 2008 beyond his limited authority.&quot;</p>

<p>Three things about this sentence are worrying.&nbsp; First, the fraud is described as &quot;exceptional in size and nature&quot;.&nbsp; &nbsp;The good ones always are exceptional in size and nature.&nbsp; Common frauds aren¹t usually hard to prevent after you¹ve seen a lot of them; the reason you pay a risk manager is to prevent the exceptional frauds.</p>

<p>Second, the bank describes Kerviel¹s job as &quot;plain vanilla futures hedging.&quot; The worry here is that the bank¹s risk managers think futures hedging risks not worth worrying about because they¹re just &quot;plain vanilla.&quot;</p>

<p>The third worrying thing is the last clause: &quot;one trader... had taken massive fraudulent directional positions... beyond his limited authority.&quot; Clearly his authority was NOT limited; the risk management and governance mechanisms of the bank apparently failed to prevent Kerviel from exceeding his authority, and they also apparently failed to detect his actions in time to limit the damage.</p>

<p>Societe Generale goes on to say this in the last half of the first paragraph: &quot;Aided by his in-depth knowledge of the control procedures, resulting from his former employment in the middle-office, he managed to conceal these positions through a scheme of elaborate fictitious transactions.&quot;</p>

<p>The governance and risk management lessons are the two usual ones:</p>

<p>1. The fox is a dangerous guard for the henhouse.&nbsp; It may be safe to move traders into the design of risk-management systems; it is probably not a great idea to move the risk management personnel onto the trading desk.</p>

<p>2. The most dangerous assumption in the security business is the assumption that there are good guys. The risk management system MUST be designed to be secure even against attacks by insiders who have developed and operated it.</p>

<p>The only way to design a system to be secure against these insider attacks is to have strong attestation, transaction tracking, dual control, and supervision features - in other words, to ensure that activities are carried out in public and reviewed in a timely way.</p>

<p>Societe Generale appears to acknowledge these lessons later in the press release, when the bank notes that &quot;The individuals in charge of his [Kerviel's - ed.] supervision will leave the Group.&quot;&nbsp; Firing Kerviel's bosses will not fix the problem; only improving the bank¹s governance will prevent future frauds.</p></div>
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Yesterday Societe Generale, the second-biggest bank in France, announced that it had suffered almost 5 billion Euros in losses due to the activities of one of the bank's...]]></description>
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<p>Yesterday Societe Generale, the second-biggest bank in France, announced that it had suffered almost 5 billion Euros in losses due to the activities of one of the bank's derivatives traders.</p>

<p>Societe Generale apologized for the losses, and explained a three-day delay in announcing the fraud publicly by saying that bank officials needed time to unwind as many of the fraudulent positions as possible in order to limit the bank??s losses.</p>

<p>Although Societe Generale did not identify the trader responsible for the fraud in their initial communications, he has subsequently been identified as one Jerome Kerviel.</p>

<p>Societe Generale's press release regarding the incident can be found here:<br /><a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/graphics/2008/01/24/socgen.pdf">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/graphics/2008/01/24/socgen.pdf</a>.</p>

<p>The details of the fraud are not yet completely clear, and uninformed speculation is not likely to be helpful.&nbsp; But the first paragraph of the bank??s press release deserves comment.</p>

<p>Societe Generale begins by saying this: &quot;Societe Generale Group (the &quot;Group&quot;) has uncovered a fraud, exceptional in its size and nature: one trader, responsible for plain vanilla futures hedging on European equity market indices, had taken massive fraudulent directional positions in 2007 and 2008 beyond his limited authority.&quot;</p>

<p>Three things about this sentence are worrying.&nbsp; First, the fraud is described as &quot;exceptional in size and nature&quot;.&nbsp; &nbsp;The good ones always are exceptional in size and nature.&nbsp; Common frauds aren??t usually hard to prevent after you??ve seen a lot of them; the reason you pay a risk manager is to prevent the exceptional frauds.</p>

<p>Second, the bank describes Kerviel??s job as &quot;plain vanilla futures hedging.&quot; The worry here is that the bank??s risk managers think futures hedging risks not worth worrying about because they??re just &quot;plain vanilla.&quot;</p>

<p>The third worrying thing is the last clause: &quot;one trader... had taken massive fraudulent directional positions... beyond his limited authority.&quot; Clearly his authority was NOT limited; the risk management and governance mechanisms of the bank apparently failed to prevent Kerviel from exceeding his authority, and they also apparently failed to detect his actions in time to limit the damage.</p>

<p>Societe Generale goes on to say this in the last half of the first paragraph: &quot;Aided by his in-depth knowledge of the control procedures, resulting from his former employment in the middle-office, he managed to conceal these positions through a scheme of elaborate fictitious transactions.&quot;</p>

<p>The governance and risk management lessons are the two usual ones:</p>

<p>1. The fox is a dangerous guard for the henhouse.&nbsp; It may be safe to move traders into the design of risk-management systems; it is probably not a great idea to move the risk management personnel onto the trading desk.</p>

<p>2. The most dangerous assumption in the security business is the assumption that there are good guys. The risk management system MUST be designed to be secure even against attacks by insiders who have developed and operated it.</p>

<p>The only way to design a system to be secure against these insider attacks is to have strong attestation, transaction tracking, dual control, and supervision features - in other words, to ensure that activities are carried out in public and reviewed in a timely way.</p>

<p>Societe Generale appears to acknowledge these lessons later in the press release, when the bank notes that &quot;The individuals in charge of his [Kerviel's - ed.] supervision will leave the Group.&quot;&nbsp; Firing Kerviel's bosses will not fix the problem; only improving the bank??s governance will prevent future frauds.</p></div>
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