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      <title><![CDATA[Insurance claims and policy information in the dumpster]]></title>
      <link>http://securityratty.com/article/ae2a94a41f5bdb5795784e6c6f9639b9</link>
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      <description><![CDATA[Technorati Tag: Security Breach

Date Reported
6/13/08

Organization
Texas Insurance Claims Services

Contractor/Consultant/Branch
None

Victims
Customers

Number Affected
hundreds of files

Types of...]]></description>
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<img src="http://breachblog.com/images/95781-88451/shredded.jpg" width="133" align="right" height="200"><font size="2"><span style="font-weight: bold;">Date Reported: </span><br>6/13/08<br><br><span style="font-weight: bold;">Organization: </span><br>Texas Insurance Claims Services<br><br><span style="font-weight: bold;">Contractor/Consultant/Branch:</span><br>None<br><br><span style="font-weight: bold;">Victims:</span><br>Customers<br><br><span style="font-weight: bold;">Number Affected:</span><br>"hundreds of files"<br><br><span style="font-weight: bold;">Types of Data:</span><br>Insurance claims and policy paperwork including "names, social security numbers and policy numbers"<br><br><span style="font-weight: bold;">Breach Description:</span><br>Files containing sensitive confidential information were discovered in a dumpster in Richardson, Texas.&nbsp; The files are believed to have been thrown out by the owner of a company called Texas Insurance Claims Services.<br><br><span style="font-weight: bold;">Reference URL:</span><br><a href="http://www.wfaa.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/localnews/tv/stories/wfaa080613_lj_lopez.2c3f840a.html">WFAA Channel 8 News</a> <br><br><span style="font-weight: bold;">Report Credit:</span><br>Rebecca Lopez, WFAA-TV<br><br><span style="font-weight: bold;">Response:</span><br>From the online source cited above:<br><br>on Friday, hundreds of files with people's names, social security numbers and policy numbers were found in a Richardson dumpster<br><br>The files contain a lot of private information.<br><br>The people who filled out the forms probably never expected them to end up where anyone could simply walk away with them.<br><span style="font-style: italic;">[Evan] There we go with expectations again.&nbsp; See my comments in the "</span><a style="font-style: italic;" href="http://breachblog.com/2008/06/18/dominos.aspx">Tucson area Domino's Pizza customer information exposed</a><span style="font-style: italic;">" breach.</span><br><br>You expect when you give your private information to an insurance company, it will stay that way.<br><br>Mike McCarty was driving by a dumpster near his work in Richardson. He saw a man taking pictures of trash inside, so he stopped.<br><span style="font-style: italic;">[Evan] Taking pictures?</span><br><br>"[The man] said he was looking for empty boxes because he was going to move but he found a bunch of these files."<br><span style="font-style: italic;">[Evan] But why was the man taking pictures?&nbsp; The story isn't clear on this point, so I wonder.</span><br><br>There were files with people's names, addresses, social security numbers and even pictures of their homes and cars. <br><br>The files were dumped here by a company called Texas Insurance Claims Services which processes people's claims.<br><br>We asked the owner why he threw them away. He wouldn't go on camera but said he was only required to keep the files five years and could then toss them.<br><span style="font-style: italic;">[Evan] Oh, well then.&nbsp; Sounds like a good enough explanation to me... NOT!&nbsp; Where is the corporate and social responsibility?</span><br><br>The company says it sometimes uses commercial shredding services but decided not to do so this time.<br><span style="font-style: italic;">[Evan] Let me see if I understand this correctly.&nbsp; The company obviously knows the importance of shredding confidential papers in general, otherwise they wouldn't "sometimes use commercial shredding services".&nbsp; What the @#$^ explains why the company chose not to use the shredding services in this instance?</span><br><br>Authorities say it's not unusual for criminals to dumpster dive to look for ways to get personnel information that they can use to illegally run up huge bills.<br><span style="font-style: italic;">[Evan] This is very true.&nbsp; There are even people who organize and belong to dumpster diving clubs, not to imply that THESE people are "criminals", but only to point out that people DO dumpster dive.</span><br><br>The dumpster was full of files. Most of them were taken away by garbage collectors. We are shredding the few we took for our story.<br><span style="font-style: italic;">[Evan] The files were taken away by garbage collectors?&nbsp; I wonder how much confidential information a person could find at the dump (landfill)?</span><br><br><span style="font-weight: bold;">Commentary:</span><br>It may just be the context of the owner's remarks, or it may just be me, but the owner seems to be oblivious to the risk of throwing confidential customer information out with the garbage. <br><br><span style="font-weight: bold;">Past Breaches:</span><br>Unknown</font><br><br>
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      <title><![CDATA[Tucson area Domino's Pizza customer information exposed]]></title>
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      <description><![CDATA[Technorati Tag: Security Breach

Date Reported
6/18/08

Organization
Domino's Pizza

Contractor/Consultant/Branch
Unnamed former owner of 24 Tucson area locations

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Customers

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<img src="http://breachblog.com/images/95781-88451/dominos.jpg" align="right" height="176" width="175"><font size="2"><span style="font-weight: bold;">Date Reported: </span><br>6/18/08<br><br><span style="font-weight: bold;">Organization: </span><br><a href="http://www.dominos.com/home/index.jsp">Domino's Pizza</a> <br><br><span style="font-weight: bold;">Contractor/Consultant/Branch:</span><br>Unnamed former owner of 24 Tucson area locations&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br><br><span style="font-weight: bold;">Victims:</span><br>Customers<br><br><span style="font-weight: bold;">Number Affected:</span><br>Unknown<br><br><span style="font-weight: bold;">Types of Data:</span><br>Names and credit card numbers<br><br><span style="font-weight: bold;">Breach Description:</span><br>Hundreds of credit card receipts dating back as many as five years were found "blowing in the wind" after a former owner of 24 Domino's Pizza stores in the Tucson, Arizona area was found to have been discarding boxes of old records near her home.<br><br><span style="font-weight: bold;">Reference URL:</span><br><a href="http://www.kvoa.com/Global/story.asp?S=8516485&amp;nav=HMO6HMaY">KVOA Channel 4 News</a> <br><br><span style="font-weight: bold;">Report Credit:</span><br>Tom McNamara, KVOA Channel 4 News<br><br><span style="font-weight: bold;">Response:</span><br>From the online source cited above:<br><br>Investigators found credit card numbers blowing in the wind for anyone to see.<br><br>These piles and papers strewn across the alley contain hundreds of old receipts from Domino's Pizza stores.<br><br>When we got a call about this, we went down to University Avenue and Euclid and saw these receipts were three, four, and even five years old.<br><span style="font-style: italic;">[Evan] Is there any business reason to keep credit card receipts for this period of time?&nbsp; I suppose a case could be made that these should be kept for up to seven years for </span><a style="font-style: italic;" href="http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/article/0,,id=98513,00.html">tax purposes</a><span style="font-style: italic;">.</span><br><br>We contacted the former owner of 24 Domino's Pizza stores in Tucson.<br><span style="font-style: italic;">[Evan] This could have been a very risky breach in terms of overall potential impact considering the number of affected persons.&nbsp; 24 stores, x number of credit card transactions per year, and 5 years could add up to a pretty significant number.</span><br><br>She won't talk with us on-camera, but told us she'd been discarding boxes of old records near her home and somehow all those receipts got loose.<br><span style="font-style: italic;">[Evan] Incidents like this tear me up.&nbsp; I very much doubt that this lady had any malicious intention behind her actions, but nonetheless her actions could have caused considerable inconvenience (and possible loss) to a number of individuals.&nbsp; I presume that she just didn't know any better.</span><br><br>We found Scott Brumage's name and credit card number on one of those receipts in the alley.<br><br>Tom McNamara asks him, "See that? Recognize that name? Recognize the number?" Scotts nods, "Uh huh."<br><br>Tom asks, "Well how'd you feel when we called you out of the blue and told you what we'd found? What went through your mind?"<br><br>"It was just kind of surreal at first because I like to think I can trust using my card [because of] the convenience and everything of course."<br><br>Scott was startled to see his name and card numbers on our screen.<br><br>He says he's ordered a lot of pizzas over the years and expects privacy and protection when he pays for his pepperoni pie.<br><span style="font-style: italic;">[Evan] Is this an unreasonable expectation?&nbsp; Maybe it is an unreasonable expectation, given the current environment and considering the bigger picture (merchants, processors, banks, "the system", etc.).&nbsp; I don't think that it is an unreasonable requirement, but requirements, expectations and practices are not in alignment.</span><br><br>Scotts tells us, "I don't know. [I'm] just dumbfounded, other than they need to figure a better way of disposing."<br><span style="font-style: italic;">[Evan] It is dumbfounding, isn't it.&nbsp; I often wonder what people are thinking when they do some of the things they do.</span><br><br>The Investigators contacted the Federal Trade Commission in Washington and they say thieves could potentially use discarded credit card numbers even if the card has expired. The numbers on the card in many cases are still the same.<br><br>They say there could be enough information on the receipt to help a thief reveal more information about you, such as your social security number.<br><br>It's small comfort for Scott. He says, "I'm hoping this is a one time only [situation]. They might have just lost a loyal customer."<br><span style="font-style: italic;">[Evan] The impact to the victim is usually pretty clear and easy to quantify.&nbsp; The impact to the business (or organization) is not usually as easy to measure.&nbsp; In a competitive business like pizza sales, companies need to identify and communicate differentiators like ingredient quality, service, taste, price, location, etc.&nbsp; Maybe if customers viewed information security practices as an important differentiator, businesses would put more time and effort into securing information.&nbsp; Pipe dream?</span><br><br>In this case, the Investigators contacted Tucson Police and several officers came to collect the records we found and have them destroyed.<br><br><span style="font-weight: bold;">Commentary:</span><br>This breach reminds me of a <a href="http://breachblog.com/2008/06/11/cotton.aspx#comment-1124161">recent discussion</a> I had online with Benjamin Wright in the comments section of the "<a href="http://breachblog.com/2008/06/11/cotton.aspx">Cotton Traders confirms that their website was compromised</a>" breach.&nbsp; He makes a very good argument regarding accountability in credit card breaches.&nbsp; My responses to him are included. <br><br><span style="font-weight: bold;">Past Breaches:</span><br>Unknown</font><br><br>
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      <title><![CDATA[What's holding back NAC?]]></title>
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      <description><![CDATA[Weve all been watching some of the pioneering NAC vendors domino down over the past several months. The Lockdown tumble has some questioning the industry again, and as Alan notes , these happenings...]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<P>We&#8217;ve all been watching some of the pioneering NAC vendors domino down over the past several months. The Lockdown tumble has some questioning the industry&nbsp;again, and <A class=offsite-link-inline href="http://www.stillsecureafteralltheseyears.com/ashimmy/2008/03/babies-and-bath.html" target=_blank>as Alan notes</A>, these happenings fuel the fires of&nbsp;NAC&#8217;s nay-sayers. (In my opinion, it&#8217;s like throwing metal onto open flame&#8230; may affect the metal, won&#8217;t feed the flame, makes for great steaks).</P>
<P>Chris, an ex-Lockdowner, gives his take on the NAC industry in his recent <A class=offsite-link-inline href="http://www.napera.com/blog/?p=17" target=_blank>post-Lockdown blog</A> and I&#8217;m in general agreement, but perhaps for different reasons. </P>
<P>I don&#8217;t see NAC going away. It definitely has some growing to do, but it will grow and it will be successful. The truth is, NAC has the potential to solve several customer problems and ease a variety of pain points, both for IT and management. If done right (and for the right reasons), it&#8217;s both a great technological tool and a business asset. </P>
<P><STRONG>So, what&#8217;s holding back NAC?</STRONG> </P>
<P><U>Vendors</U>, in a large part, are to blame. Sorry guys, but it&#8217;s true. Vendors are causing NAC to be lost in translation, most often because the vendor&#8230;<STRONG>&nbsp;&nbsp;a)</STRONG> doesn&#8217;t understand the technology themselves (sales reps),&nbsp;<STRONG>&nbsp;b)</STRONG> is erroneously pushing their product as a solution to today&#8217;s top issue, <STRONG>c)</STRONG>&nbsp;has overestimated the solution&nbsp;and underestimated the project&nbsp;and <STRONG>d)</STRONG> is ultimately trying to make a sale, and so&nbsp;is willing to squish their round peg into your square hole.&nbsp;(<EM>okay, no comments on that one</EM>).</P>
<P>Vendors will have to start showing they understand when and where their product fits (and when it doesn&#8217;t). Until then, I don&#8217;t think they&#8217;re going to garner enough trust to walk in the door with a solution and close the deal without the customer first exploring (at length) other options and getting other opinions. </P>
<P><U>Misinformation</U>. Whether it&#8217;s due to vendor misinformation or lack of self-education, what I&#8217;ve learned is that most organizations have heard of NAC and have a <EM>partial</EM> understanding of <EM>what</EM> it does, and really&nbsp;no idea of <EM>how</EM>. They&#8217;ve heard vendor pitches of the wonder-drug cure-all that will solve guest access, or remote access security, endpoint protection, user accounting, etc but they really don&#8217;t understand where the technologies came from, what their purposes are, and which pieces of solutions are standard, and which are proprietary. </P>
<P>When I&nbsp;talk about NAC,&nbsp;I find myself constantly apologizing for the industry. We&#8217;ve done a great job telling people why they need NAC, but so far&nbsp;we&#8217;ve failed horrendously at educating them as to how it&#8217;s all supposed to work. Personally, I revamped all my presentations, tabling the technical dives and replacing them with technology primers. </P>
<P editor_id="mce_editor_0"><U>Terminology Twists.</U> The other hardship I see for organizations is the lack of standard&nbsp;terminology. A lot of vendors out there are touting a NAC product- but what does that really mean? It could mean anything- it could mean endpoint integrity or posture checking, it could mean quarantine automation, it could mean a solution for&nbsp;guest provisioning,or&nbsp; remote access checking. This makes it hard for organizations to parse out the various vendors&#8217; features.&nbsp;Depending on whose&nbsp;Kool-Aid you&#8217;re drinking, an&nbsp;&#8216;enforcer&#8217; could be a software agent, a switch, firewall, or even a computer.&nbsp;</P>
<P>In order for NAC to grow and find wide adoption, I think we&#8217;ll have to see some consistency and consensus in wording and terminology. NAC is a big undertaking, and when entering a commitment like that, organizations need to know exactly what they&#8217;re getting to have that warm and fuzzy feeling. </P>
<P><U>Standard Stalls</U>. The ABC users are,&nbsp;for the most part,&nbsp;seeking standards-based solutions. I think&nbsp;we have a great&nbsp;answer to that, and we&#8217;re heading down all the right paths with the IEEE and IETF standards, as well as groups like <A class=offsite-link-inline href="https://www.trustedcomputinggroup.org/groups/network/" target=_blank>TNC</A>. But, the truth is, the 802.1X and NAC standards are in constant flux&#8230; in a good way&#8230; but still in flux. Although we have a great framework in place, some folks are waiting for the dust to settle on Planet NAC before committing. </P>
<P>Once the standards (ie new&nbsp;RADIUS attributes) start to solidify and the changes slow down a bit, I think that will add to the feeling of stability that customers are looking for in a NAC solution. </P>
<P><U>Migration Migraines.</U> Last, but not least&#8230; most organizations that want to migrate to NAC just don&#8217;t know where to start, or how to proceed. They need help, either from their vendor, or from an integrator. (That&#8217;s where <A class=offsite-link-inline href="http://www.cadinc.com/" target=_blank>my company </A>fits into the NAC picture). I&#8217;m actually working on a detailed migration white paper that will be delivered at a conference later this year. </P>
<P>If we (the industry) want to win the business, it&#8217;s up to us to hold our customers&#8217; hands and provide a clear strategic and technical migration plan for them. </P>
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      <title><![CDATA[How I Got Here: The JJ Story]]></title>
      <link>http://securityratty.com/article/254c51be66b57af625a0d0a4ce9ef331</link>
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Many of you contacted me over the past weeks to wish me a happy birthday. My 3/6 birth date could evidently be found on Plaxo, Facebook and a variety of my other online Black Holes . I was...]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Prelude&#8230; </strong></p><p>Many of you contacted me over the past weeks to wish me a happy birthday. My 3/6 birth date could evidently be found on Plaxo, Facebook and a variety of my other online <a href="http://www.securityuncorked.com/security-uncorked/2008/3/19/pieces-of-me-into-the-web-20-black-hole.html" target="_blank">Black Holes</a>. I was surprised and elated to receive many e-cards and even some &#8216;real&#8217; ones via mail. I even received a bottle of California wine from one of my favourite product managers :)</p><p>And, because I was delivering a NAC 101 presentation at a conference that day, I wasn&#8217;t able to celebrate at home with my usual crew. Instead, I shared the evening with a big group of conference attendees, many of which are&nbsp;current customers. I had a blast. </p><p>However, the occasion brought about a domino effect of questions&#8230; <em>How old are you</em>?&nbsp; <em>How did you get into IT?</em>&nbsp; <em>What made you decide to focus on security?</em> </p><p>I&#8217;ve been answering these 3 questions a lot over the past several weeks, and with the new friends I&#8217;m meeting on the <a class="offsite-link-inline" href="http://networks.feedburner.com/Security-Bloggers-Network" target="_blank">Security Bloggers Network</a>, and the upcoming <a class="offsite-link-inline" href="http://www.rsaconference.com/Security_Topics/Developing_with_Security/Blog_Security_Bloggers_Meet_up_2008.aspx" target="_blank">RSA Security&nbsp;Bloggers Meetup</a>, I think even more folks are wondering the same&#8230; </p><p><em><strong>Oh boy.</strong>..</em> this is going to be a LONG post&#8230; </p><p>I&#8217;m now 29 (+2 weeks), that&#8217;s the easy one. </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><strong>How I Got Here&#8230;</strong> </p>
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      <source url="http://www.securityuncorked.com/security-uncorked/2008/3/21/how-i-got-here-the-jj-story.html">How I Got Here: The JJ Story</source>
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      <title><![CDATA[Blue Box #70: 2-yr Anniversary show, VoIP security vulnerabilities, Vonage, Comcast, phishing, listener comments and much, much more... ]]></title>
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      <description><![CDATA[Synopsis: Blue Box #70: 2-yr Anniversary show, VoIP security vulnerabilities, Vonage, Comcast, phishing, listener comments and much, much more
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<div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><p><strong>Synopsis:</strong>Blue Box #70: 2-yr Anniversary show, VoIP security vulnerabilities, Vonage, Comcast, phishing, listener comments and much, much more... 

</p><hr /><p>Welcome to <strong>Blue Box: The VoIP Security Podcast</strong> #70, a 51-minute podcast&nbsp; from Dan York and Jonathan Zar covering VoIP security news, comments and opinions.&nbsp; &nbsp; </p>

<p><a rel="enclosure" href="http://ripple.radiotail.com/409/BBP-070-2007-10-25.mp3">Download the show here</a> (MP3, 21MB) or <a href="http://feeds.feedburner.com/BlueBox">subscribe to the RSS feed</a> to download the show automatically.&nbsp; </p> 

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<p><em>NOTE: This show was recorded on October 25, 2007.</em></p>
<p><strong>Show Content:</strong></p> 
 

<ul> <li>00:20 - Intro to the show, contact information and how to provide comments.&nbsp; Welcome to all the new listeners - and to all those listeners who have been here for so long!&nbsp; </li>
<li>Programming notes:</li>


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		<li>Dan???s <a href="http://www.disruptivetelephony.com/2007/10/my-new-employer.html">new employment with Voxeo</a></li>
		<li>Dan at <span class="caps">VON</span> next week ??? Dean Elwood is doing a VoIPUser dinner ??? perhaps a Blue Box dinner as well?</li>
		<li>We hope you enjoyed <a href="http://www.blueboxpodcast.com/2007/10/blue-box-se021-.html">Blue Box <span class="caps">SE 21</span> with Phil Zimmermann</a> ??? many thanks to Martyn Davies for helping with that.</li>
		<li>Reporters for some of the spring shows?&nbsp; (we can probably get you press credentials??? if you are there)</li>
	</ul>

	<li><a href="http://voipsa.org/pipermail/voipsec_voipsa.org/2007-October/002466.html">XSS attack and <span class="caps">SQL</span> injection via <span class="caps">SIP</span> against Asterisk</a></li>
		<li>The <a href="http://voipsa.org/pipermail/voipsec_voipsa.org/2007-October/002452.html">XSS attack against Linksys <span class="caps">SPA</span>-941</a> we discussed last week was <a href="http://packetstormsecurity.org/0710-exploits/sip-pwn.txt">picked up by Secure Computing</a> which resulted in this SearchSecurity.com article: <a href="http://searchsecurity.techtarget.com/originalContent/0,289142,sid14_gci1277386,00.html?track=NL-102">New Attack Methods Target Web 2.0, VoIP</a> (last link sent to us by Rhodri Davies)</li>
		<li>Sipera released <a href="http://www.sipera.com/index.php?action=resources,threat_advisory&amp;all=Specific">a range of vulnerabilities</a> related to Vonage, Grandstream and more ??? note that the Vonage thread has been picked up by <a href="http://blogs.zdnet.com/ip-telephony/?p=2652">ZDNet???s Russell Shaw</a></li>


	<li>Wired: <a href="http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2007/10/phones-arent-sa.html">Phones Aren???t Safe Either, Hackers Say</a> ??? also discussed in <a href="http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/20894">Network World</a> and Russell Shaw <a href="http://blogs.zdnet.com/ip-telephony/?p=2619">We???ve toasted so many of these (VoIP) networks???</a> and <a href="http://dtrammell.wordpress.com/2007/10/23/toorcon-9/">Dustin Trammell???s blog</a> (in the list of sessions he attended)</li>
		<li><span class="caps">SANS</span>: <a href="http://isc.sans.org/diary.html?storyid=3486&amp;rss">Vishing, Skype, and VoIP-Based Fraud</a> (sent in by Craig Bowser)</li>
		<li><span class="caps">CXO </span>Today: <a href="http://www.cxotoday.com/India/Editors_Speak/The_Phishing_Epidemic/551-83964-904.html">The Phishing Epidemic</a></li>
		<li>PCWorld.CA: <a href="http://www.pcworld.ca//news/column/b4251b280a01040800986975dc486390/pg1.htm">The eight most dangerous consumer technologies</a> (Skype and consumer VoIP are #6 on <a href="http://www.pcworld.ca/news/column/b43cf5a90a010408009869754af04cd1/pg0.htm">page 2</a> )</li>
		<li><span class="caps">TMC </span>Net: <a href="http://sip.tmcnet.com/topics/service-provider-solutions/articles/12981-voip-peering-search-a-viable-interconnect-business-model.htm">VoIP Peering in Search of a Viable Interconnect Business Model</a> (note the comments about security toward the bottom)</li>
		<li>Cisco TechWise podcasts <a href="http://www.cisco.com/en/US/netsol/ns752/networking_solutions_packages_list.html">Session Initiation Protocol and Security</a> (it???s on the page??? came out 10/18/07 )</li>
		<li>TechRepublic: <a href="http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/hiner/?p=559">Sanity check: Will Microsoft be your next phone company?</a> (nice roundup of the MS announcements??? some of the comments are also interesting)</li>
	


	<li>Comcast</li>


	<ul>
	<li>AP: <a href="http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gxRiQSVfgK4sLbVRE_X4MOlM9q0AD8SCASPG0">Comcast blocks some Internet traffic</a></li>
		<li><a href="http://www.edbrill.com/ebrill/edbrill.nsf/dx/associated-press-comcast-blocks-some-internet-traffic">Ed Brill notes the impact on Notes/Domino traffic</a></li>
		<li><a href="http://www.news.com/8301-13578_3-9800629-38.html">cnet post</a></li>
		<li>TorrentFreak: <a href="http://torrentfreak.com/comcast-throttles-bittorrent-traffic-seeding-impossible/">Comcast Throttles BitTorrent Traffic, Seeding Impossible</a></li>
		<li><span class="caps">P2P</span>Net: <a href="http://www.p2pnet.net/story/13717">Comcast impedes hi-speed file sharing</a></li>

	<li><a href="http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/news_press_release,204000.shtml">Carnegie Mellon???s CyLab and Nortel Combine Efforts to Research Leading Security Technologies</a></li>
		<li>SearchVoIP.au: <a href="http://www.searchvoip.com.au/papers/paper.asp?DocID=20239">Avaya white paper: VoIP Security for Dummies</a></li></ul>

<li>- Upcoming shows:<br /><ul> <br />
<li>Oct 24-25, New York, USA, <a href="http://www.interop.net/">Interop</a><br />
</li>

<li>Oct 29-Nov 1, Boston, <span class="caps">USA</span>, <a href="http://www.von.com/2007/fall_boston/">Fall 2007 <span class="caps">VON</span></a></li></ul> </li>





	<li>Comment (email) from Dan Wing about episode 69 and the potential DDoS attack</li>
		<li>Comment (email) from Raul Siles about episode 66</li>
		<li>Comment (email) from Raul Siles about <span class="caps">SANS </span>VoIP Security course</li>

<li>Two-year-anniversary:


	<ul>
	<li>Comment (audio) from Martyn Davies</li>
		<li>Comment (audio) from Dean Elwood</li>
		<li>Comment (audio) from Mike Wallace</li>
		<li>Comment (audio) from Raul Siles (with Matrix inclusion)</li>
		<li>Comment (audio) from Carsten Helmuth (cut off)</li>
		<li>Comment (email) from Scott Tanner</li>
		<li>Comment (email) from Shlomo Dubrowin</li>
	</ul>

</li>

<li>- Drawing for the book

</li>

<li>- Review of the last week's traffic on the <a href="http://www.voipsa.org/VOIPSEC/">VOIPSEC </a>public mailing list&nbsp; </li><br />
<li>- Wrap-up of the show </li><br />
<li>51:14 - End of show&nbsp; </li></ul> <p>Comments, suggestions and feedback are welcome either as replies to this post&nbsp; or via e-mail to <a href="mailto:blueboxpodcast@gmail.com">blueboxpodcast@gmail.com</a>.&nbsp; Audio comments sent as attached MP3 files are definitely welcome and will be played in future shows.&nbsp; You may also call the listener comment line at either +1-206-350-7280 or via SIP to '<a href="sip:bluebox@voipuser.org">bluebox@voipuser.org</a>' to leave a comment there.&nbsp; </p> <p>Thank you for listening and please do let us know what you think of the show. </p></div>
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</p><hr /><p>Welcome to <strong>Blue Box: The VoIP Security Podcast</strong> #70, a 51-minute podcast&nbsp; from Dan York and Jonathan Zar covering VoIP security news, comments and opinions.&nbsp; &nbsp; </p>

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<p><em>NOTE: This show was recorded on October 25, 2007.</em></p>
<p><strong>Show Content:</strong></p> 
 

<ul> <li>00:20 - Intro to the show, contact information and how to provide comments.&nbsp; Welcome to all the new listeners - and to all those listeners who have been here for so long!&nbsp; </li>
<li>Programming notes:</li>


	<ul>
		<li>Dan’s <a href="http://www.disruptivetelephony.com/2007/10/my-new-employer.html">new employment with Voxeo</a></li>
		<li>Dan at <span class="caps">VON</span> next week – Dean Elwood is doing a VoIPUser dinner – perhaps a Blue Box dinner as well?</li>
		<li>We hope you enjoyed <a href="http://www.blueboxpodcast.com/2007/10/blue-box-se021-.html">Blue Box <span class="caps">SE 21</span> with Phil Zimmermann</a> – many thanks to Martyn Davies for helping with that.</li>
		<li>Reporters for some of the spring shows?&nbsp; (we can probably get you press credentials… if you are there)</li>
	</ul>

	<li><a href="http://voipsa.org/pipermail/voipsec_voipsa.org/2007-October/002466.html">XSS attack and <span class="caps">SQL</span> injection via <span class="caps">SIP</span> against Asterisk</a></li>
		<li>The <a href="http://voipsa.org/pipermail/voipsec_voipsa.org/2007-October/002452.html">XSS attack against Linksys <span class="caps">SPA</span>-941</a> we discussed last week was <a href="http://packetstormsecurity.org/0710-exploits/sip-pwn.txt">picked up by Secure Computing</a> which resulted in this SearchSecurity.com article: <a href="http://searchsecurity.techtarget.com/originalContent/0,289142,sid14_gci1277386,00.html?track=NL-102">New Attack Methods Target Web 2.0, VoIP</a> (last link sent to us by Rhodri Davies)</li>
		<li>Sipera released <a href="http://www.sipera.com/index.php?action=resources,threat_advisory&amp;all=Specific">a range of vulnerabilities</a> related to Vonage, Grandstream and more – note that the Vonage thread has been picked up by <a href="http://blogs.zdnet.com/ip-telephony/?p=2652">ZDNet’s Russell Shaw</a></li>


	<li>Wired: <a href="http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2007/10/phones-arent-sa.html">Phones Aren’t Safe Either, Hackers Say</a> – also discussed in <a href="http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/20894">Network World</a> and Russell Shaw <a href="http://blogs.zdnet.com/ip-telephony/?p=2619">We’ve toasted so many of these (VoIP) networks…</a> and <a href="http://dtrammell.wordpress.com/2007/10/23/toorcon-9/">Dustin Trammell’s blog</a> (in the list of sessions he attended)</li>
		<li><span class="caps">SANS</span>: <a href="http://isc.sans.org/diary.html?storyid=3486&amp;rss">Vishing, Skype, and VoIP-Based Fraud</a> (sent in by Craig Bowser)</li>
		<li><span class="caps">CXO </span>Today: <a href="http://www.cxotoday.com/India/Editors_Speak/The_Phishing_Epidemic/551-83964-904.html">The Phishing Epidemic</a></li>
		<li>PCWorld.CA: <a href="http://www.pcworld.ca//news/column/b4251b280a01040800986975dc486390/pg1.htm">The eight most dangerous consumer technologies</a> (Skype and consumer VoIP are #6 on <a href="http://www.pcworld.ca/news/column/b43cf5a90a010408009869754af04cd1/pg0.htm">page 2</a> )</li>
		<li><span class="caps">TMC </span>Net: <a href="http://sip.tmcnet.com/topics/service-provider-solutions/articles/12981-voip-peering-search-a-viable-interconnect-business-model.htm">VoIP Peering in Search of a Viable Interconnect Business Model</a> (note the comments about security toward the bottom)</li>
		<li>Cisco TechWise podcasts <a href="http://www.cisco.com/en/US/netsol/ns752/networking_solutions_packages_list.html">Session Initiation Protocol and Security</a> (it’s on the page… came out 10/18/07 )</li>
		<li>TechRepublic: <a href="http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/hiner/?p=559">Sanity check: Will Microsoft be your next phone company?</a> (nice roundup of the MS announcements… some of the comments are also interesting)</li>
	


	<li>Comcast</li>


	<ul>
	<li>AP: <a href="http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gxRiQSVfgK4sLbVRE_X4MOlM9q0AD8SCASPG0">Comcast blocks some Internet traffic</a></li>
		<li><a href="http://www.edbrill.com/ebrill/edbrill.nsf/dx/associated-press-comcast-blocks-some-internet-traffic">Ed Brill notes the impact on Notes/Domino traffic</a></li>
		<li><a href="http://www.news.com/8301-13578_3-9800629-38.html">cnet post</a></li>
		<li>TorrentFreak: <a href="http://torrentfreak.com/comcast-throttles-bittorrent-traffic-seeding-impossible/">Comcast Throttles BitTorrent Traffic, Seeding Impossible</a></li>
		<li><span class="caps">P2P</span>Net: <a href="http://www.p2pnet.net/story/13717">Comcast impedes hi-speed file sharing</a></li>

	<li><a href="http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/news_press_release,204000.shtml">Carnegie Mellon’s CyLab and Nortel Combine Efforts to Research Leading Security Technologies</a></li>
		<li>SearchVoIP.au: <a href="http://www.searchvoip.com.au/papers/paper.asp?DocID=20239">Avaya white paper: VoIP Security for Dummies</a></li></ul>

<li>- Upcoming shows:<br /><ul> <br />
<li>Oct 24-25, New York, USA, <a href="http://www.interop.net/">Interop</a><br />
</li>

<li>Oct 29-Nov 1, Boston, <span class="caps">USA</span>, <a href="http://www.von.com/2007/fall_boston/">Fall 2007 <span class="caps">VON</span></a></li></ul> </li>





	<li>Comment (email) from Dan Wing about episode 69 and the potential DDoS attack</li>
		<li>Comment (email) from Raul Siles about episode 66</li>
		<li>Comment (email) from Raul Siles about <span class="caps">SANS </span>VoIP Security course</li>

<li>Two-year-anniversary:


	<ul>
	<li>Comment (audio) from Martyn Davies</li>
		<li>Comment (audio) from Dean Elwood</li>
		<li>Comment (audio) from Mike Wallace</li>
		<li>Comment (audio) from Raul Siles (with Matrix inclusion)</li>
		<li>Comment (audio) from Carsten Helmuth (cut off)</li>
		<li>Comment (email) from Scott Tanner</li>
		<li>Comment (email) from Shlomo Dubrowin</li>
	</ul>

</li>

<li>- Drawing for the book

</li>

<li>- Review of the last week's traffic on the <a href="http://www.voipsa.org/VOIPSEC/">VOIPSEC </a>public mailing list&nbsp; </li><br />
<li>- Wrap-up of the show </li><br />
<li>51:14 - End of show&nbsp; </li></ul> <p>Comments, suggestions and feedback are welcome either as replies to this post&nbsp; or via e-mail to <a href="mailto:blueboxpodcast@gmail.com">blueboxpodcast@gmail.com</a>.&nbsp; Audio comments sent as attached MP3 files are definitely welcome and will be played in future shows.&nbsp; You may also call the listener comment line at either +1-206-350-7280 or via SIP to '<a href="sip:bluebox@voipuser.org">bluebox@voipuser.org</a>' to leave a comment there.&nbsp; </p> <p>Thank you for listening and please do let us know what you think of the show. </p></div>

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