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      <title><![CDATA[Network skill level gap is growing, but growth opportunities abound!]]></title>
      <link>http://securityratty.com/article/a4929ca88458feb902376bc7bd38e824</link>
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      <description><![CDATA[A recent IDC report sponsored by the Cisco Learning Institute reveals a huge networking skills gap is emerging in North America, which spells trouble for enterprises. Listen to this: 600,000 IT...]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img style="border-right: 0px; border-top: 0px; margin: 0px 10px 10px 0px; border-left: 0px; border-bottom: 0px" src="http://blog.sciencelogic.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/exam.jpg" border="0" alt="Test Quiz" width="240" height="160" align="left" /> A recent IDC report sponsored by the Cisco Learning Institute reveals <a href="http://www.networkworld.com/newsletters/itlead/2008/080408itlead1.html" target="_blank">a huge networking skills gap</a> is emerging in North America, which spells trouble for enterprises. Listen to this: “600,000 IT workers were needed to install, configure, manage and secure networks in North America in 2007, 14% of the total IT workforce.” However, IDC reports that another 180,000 engineers with wireless as well as traditional network engineering experience will need to be added by 2011 to keep pace with advances in technology that is transforming the role of the network.</p>
<p>The convergence of voice and video traffic are quickly transforming the growing complexity of networks at a torrid pace. IDC estimates that the skills gap in VOIP should grow to 19% by 2011.</p>
<p>This changing profile in the role of the network plays a key role in the skills shortage. Network enabled collaboration tools such as social networking apps and the Webex conferencing/collaboration solutions we use in our business each and every day are demanding a new set of IT skills to deliver business value.</p>
<p>My perspective is two-fold on this issue; the first is what I have seen in the resources we have attempted to hire! We give a very straightforward quick written/oral test to all new technical hires. This requires basic networking knowledge and some Unix commands. On average, (after filters from reputable recruiting firms, some with 5-10 years experience) less than 10% pass muster for the first filter we use in our hiring process. This is a troubling fact, which has cost us considerable time and effort to secure the right resources with competent skills. So I can say from our market assessment in a very strong technological job skills market, core Unix and networking foundation skills are slipping.</p>
<p>The second is that we as an IT Operations Management (ITOM) industry need to keep pushing hard to build better proactive and intuitive solutions to aggregate instrumentation from all Data Center tools, including more work around VOIP, video streaming, and collaboration so that we can ease this transition. If ITOM solutions become more proactive across the typical Cisco infrastructure that is commonly installed in the Data Center, we can free up some additional time for advanced “emerging technologies” training where existing IT workers can enhance their core skills and re-invigorate their careers. We have to do a much better job of getting our existing IT professionals trained on emerging technologies!</p>
<p>While there’s less that ScienceLogic can do around <a href="http://www.cisco.com/web/learning/le3/learning_career_certifications_and_learning_paths_home.html" target="_blank">training</a>, we certainly strive to do our part to enhance a day in the life of the networking engineers who use our solutions to simplify monitoring of increasingly complex networking, <a href="http://www.networkworld.com/news/2008/080608-p-g.html" target="_blank">Wireless, VOIP, and collaboration needs</a>.</p>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 17:06:07 +0000</pubDate>
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      <source url="http://blog.sciencelogic.com/network-skill-level-gap-is-growing-but-growth-opportunities-abound/08/2008">Network skill level gap is growing, but growth opportunities abound!</source>
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      <title><![CDATA[Q&A with Sergey Katsev of Coyote Point Systems]]></title>
      <link>http://securityratty.com/article/e57e1ace426f0aef838f8f362c558571</link>
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      <description><![CDATA[I recently had the opportunity to sit down with Sergey Katsev , an Engineering Project Manager at Coyote Point Systems and discuss his experiences with InteropNet and talk about the Coyote Point...]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recently had the opportunity to sit down with <a href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=24405331" target="_blank">Sergey Katsev</a>, an Engineering Project Manager at <a href="http://coyotepoint.com/" target="_blank">Coyote Point Systems</a> and discuss his experiences with InteropNet and talk about the Coyote Point products.  With a couple of years of experience as a vendor for Interop, he had some interesting insights in to how participating in the InteropNet can help a vendor.</p>
<p><strong>ScienceLogic:</strong> How long have you been involved in InteropNet?</p>
<p><strong>Katsev: </strong>I started at Coyote Point 3 years ago and <a href="http://blog.interop.com/2006" target="_blank">InteropNet 2006</a> was my first &#8220;big&#8221; assignment.  This was the first time Coyote Point had put in a proposal to participate, so we were very excited when we were selected.</p>
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<p><strong>ScienceLogic: </strong>How long has Coyote Point been involved in Interop overall?</p>
<p><strong>Katsev: </strong>We&#8217;ve been exhibiting at Interop for a number of years, and after seeing the InteropNet in action, we decided to submit a proposal in &#8216;06.  We were actually one of the first companies in the load balancing/traffic management space (we&#8217;ve been doing this for almost 10 years), so we have a lot of experience to share with InteropNet.</p>
<p><strong>ScienceLogic:</strong> What is your role at Coyote Point?</p>
<p>My official title is &#8220;Engineering Project Manager&#8221;.  Basically, that means that I&#8217;m in charge of product releases and maintenance.  It sounds like a weird title for someone participating in InteropNet, but I&#8217;ve actually found it extremely useful since my position means that I don&#8217;t get to see our systems out in the field a lot.  We&#8217;ve added several features and have ideas for others just from my experiences at InteropNet.</p>
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<p><strong>ScienceLogic:</strong> What do the Coyote Point products do?</p>
<p><strong>Katsev: </strong>Coyote Point makes a Traffic Management appliance called <a href="http://coyotepoint.com/products/e650.php" target="_blank">Equalizer</a>.  What this means is that any traffic destined for a datacenter&#8217;s servers goes through our appliances and we make sure that the server which is best equipped to handle it, does.  Our systems sit between the clients and the servers and monitor the client traffic and the state of the servers.  If the clients start sending more traffic, we&#8217;ll balance it out so that no server is overloaded.  If one of the servers stops responding or starts responding very slowly, we&#8217;ll steer traffic away from that server.</p>
<p><strong>ScienceLogic: </strong>In what way are your products being used as part of InteropNet?</p>
<p><strong>Katsev: </strong>In the InteropNet, we&#8217;re utilizing a lot of our expertise:  We&#8217;re making sure that traffic is balanced and servers are redundant for show services such as DNS and SMTP.  We&#8217;re also using our geographic load balancing technology to ensure that the ScienceLogic EM7 appliances and some other internal NOC services are available from anywhere, with the lowest latency, with our <a href="http://www.coyotepoint.com/products/xcel.php" target="_blank">SSL acceleration </a>and <a href="http://www.coyotepoint.com/products/express.php" target="_blank">GZIP compression technology</a>.  Finally, we&#8217;re helping logistics in the NOC by allowing a physical separation between systems <a href="http://blog.interop.com/interopnet/2008/04/what-are-these-peds-you-speak-of" target="_blank">located in the NOC</a> and those in an emergency rack outside of the NOC.  If either of these two locations were to fail, the network will continue operating without a glitch.</p>
<p><strong>ScienceLogic:</strong> Are there any special considerations for Interop that cause you to deploy your systems there differently that any other place?</p>
<p><strong>Katsev: </strong>Interop is definitely different than most of our customer installations.   One difference from a standard environment is that the network (at least this year) is one large flat network, with pieces carved out where extra security is needed.  Because of this, we can actually run our failover pairs of Equalizer systems in a non-standard configuration where the two peers are in different racks, or even on different floors.  That&#8217;s one of the things that I really like about InteropNet &#8212; it definitely brings new ideas to mind, which end up becoming &#8217;special configuration&#8217; white papers after the show.</p>
<p><strong>ScienceLogic:</strong> Has InteropNet taught you anything that caused you to actually change your product?</p>
<p><strong>Katsev: </strong>In addition to the failover configuration differences I mentioned above, participating in InteropNet has actually caused us to add several new features and allowed configurations.  One example is the &#8220;no-spoof&#8221; option for <a href="http://www.springerlink.com/content/dcmmpmb53rjp5hr8/" target="_blank">Layer 4 clusters</a>.  Prior to the 2006 shows, we always &#8217;spoofed&#8217; the client&#8217;s IP address when talking to a server so that the server would see the client&#8217;s IP address instead of our own.  At Interop, we ran into a special configuration which would&#8217;ve been very difficult to set up in this manner, so our engineers added this feature, and it&#8217;s been very a very popular configuration with our customers ever since.</p>
<p>We have also had a couple of business relationships that extended outside of the show.  In 2006, we had a good experience using <a href="http://www.spirent.com/analysis/index.cfm?media=3&amp;ws=2" target="_blank">Spirent Communications</a> gear to benchmark the network, so we ended up purchasing a couple of these systems to test our products.  More recently, we have found a way to bundle our Equalizer e350si load balancers with the ScienceLogic <a href="http://www.sciencelogic.com/techdiagram.htm" target="_blank">EM7 collector appliances</a> to help ScienceLogic get the best performance in load balancing large quantities of syslog messages to be processed.  If it wasn&#8217;t for our participation in InteropNet, neither of these relationships would&#8217;ve happened.</p>
<p><strong>ScienceLogic: </strong>What’s the best part of being involved with InteropNet?  What do you most look forward to?</p>
<p><strong>Katsev: </strong>InteropNet is an amazing networking opportunity (no pun intended).  The group of engineers that put the network together every year is, well, amazing.  There is so much combined experience that any question instantly has several possible answers, and the best answer is chosen very quickly.  One of the &#8217;sayings&#8217; at Interop is &#8220;if you run into a problem, ask someone&#8230; we&#8217;ve probably seen that problem before&#8230; five times.&#8221;  One would think that being part of InteropNet is the same thing, year after year.  However, in the two years that I&#8217;ve been part of this (for four shows), there have been huge differences in the way that the network is designed and put together.  These are both because the vendors selected every year are different, and because the engineers who design the network change from year to year.  Somehow, though, when all is said and done, we have a <a href="http://blog.sciencelogic.com/interop-las-vegas-2008-some-interesting-stats/06/2008" target="_blank">network that works</a>.</p>
<p><strong>ScienceLogic:</strong> You don’t have to answer this one if you’re not comfortable… What would you like to see changed with the way things are done at InteropNet?</p>
<p><strong>Katsev: </strong>This isn&#8217;t a cop-out&#8230; I really can&#8217;t think of anything I would do differently.  Sure, there are small problems that pop up sometimes, but every project has those, and the people at InteropNet are more than capable of figuring them all out.  In fact, I know that Interop started out as a show to test the interoperability of devices&#8230; but I&#8217;m still amazed that all of these devices actually talk to each other and <a href="http://blog.sciencelogic.com/qa-with-geoff-horne-of-interopnet/06/2008" target="_blank">&#8220;play nice&#8221; together</a>.</p>
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      <title><![CDATA[Links List 8.1.08]]></title>
      <link>http://securityratty.com/article/bbf15fbdceab01591b641bee93ce7efb</link>
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      <description><![CDATA[The Yankee Group had this not-so-urgent advice for IPv6 visibility . It may be time to ask your network monitoring and management software vendors about their plans for IPv6 visibility. Although were...]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Yankee Group had this not-so-urgent advice for <a href="http://searchnetworking.techtarget.com/news/article/0,289142,sid7_gci1323274,00.html" target="_blank">IPv6 visibility</a>. “It may be time to ask your network monitoring and management software vendors about their plans for IPv6 visibility.” Although we’re still a few years away from broad adoption of IPv6 in the US, experts have been urging enterprises to pave the way for a smooth migration now by having IPv6-ready infrastructure in place…
<p>I’ll take your 6 centers of excellence and uh, raise you 2 data centers. Following up on the HP announcement that they’ve partnered with Yahoo and Intel to create <a href="http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/07/29/hp-yahoo-intel-announce-cloud-computing-research-initiative/" target="_blank">cloud computing Centers of Excellence</a> this week, IBM said they were building out <a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20080801-700024.html?mod=djempersonal" target="_blank">2 data centers</a> to accommodate the coming cloud computing resources need. I should say that <a href="http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=8694" target="_blank">IBM</a> had already announced their “partnership” with Google to provide services for the cloud back in May. Who’s left to partner with on cloud computing? <a href="http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080729-microsoft-bets-on-cloud-computing-as-amazon-suffers-outage.html" target="_blank">Microsoft and Amazon</a>?
<p>Packet Trap Networks recently conducted a survey of network engineers and <a href="http://www.packettrap.com/blog/index.php/network-management-systems-market/#comment-568" target="_blank">IT professionals who perform network management duties inside companies with more than 100 employees</a>. Out of the 800 engineers surveyed, 49 percent stated that they did not have a comprehensive network management system in place – showing a need for solutions focused on the mid-market – i.e., the right features at reasonable prices. If you remember, <a href="http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/28639" target="_blank">Sevcik and Wetzel</a> (not a vendor!) conducted their own survey on application performance management and had similar findings but a rather different answer… (hint – starts with “E” and ends in “7”)
<p><a href="http://news.cnet.com/8301-12640_3-9999878-91.html?part=rss&amp;subj=news&amp;tag=2547-1_3-0-20" target="_blank">Is open-source software more secure</a>? After all thousands of eyes are better than a handful, right? Well, according to a report sponsored by <a href="http://www.fortify.com/news-events/releases/2008/2008-07-21.jsp" target="_blank">Fortify Software</a>, that’s just not the case. <a href="http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=1623" target="_blank">Roger Thornton, founder and CTO of Fortify Software</a>, adds that the underlying problem is “a lack of understanding and collaboration between developers and security experts – today each are talking past each other when it comes to security.”
<p>For all you aspiring CIOs out there, WSJ has provided a <a href="http://blogs.wsj.com/biztech/2008/07/31/a-reading-list-for-tech-leaders/?mod=djemTECH" target="_blank">must-read list</a>. Uh oh– the first on the list is “How to Read a Book”. Please, any negative comments directly on the Journal site…and any “good” ones here!</p>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 17:37:08 +0000</pubDate>
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      <title><![CDATA[Apple bails on Black Hat talk]]></title>
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      <description><![CDATA[Engineers on Apple's security team say that the company's marketing department has forbidden them from participating on a panel at this week's Black Hat conference -- and that even revealing the names...]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[Engineers on Apple's security team say that the company's marketing department has forbidden them from participating on a panel at this week's Black Hat conference -- and that even revealing the names of who <i>would</i> have spoken would endanger those employees' jobs.
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      <title><![CDATA[The DNS Vulnerability]]></title>
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      <description><![CDATA[Despite the best efforts of the security community, the details of a critical internet vulnerability discovered by Dan Kaminsky about six months ago have leaked. Hackers are racing to produce exploit...]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Despite the best efforts of the security community, the details of a critical internet vulnerability discovered by Dan Kaminsky about six months ago have leaked. Hackers are racing to produce exploit code, and network operators who haven't already patched the hole are scrambling to catch up. The whole mess is a good illustration of the problems with researching and disclosing flaws like this.</p>

<p>The <a href="http://darkoz.com/?p=15">details</a> of the <a href="http://blog.invisibledenizen.org/2008/07/kaminskys-dns-issue-accidentally-leaked.html">vulnerability</a> aren't important, but basically it's a form of DNS cache poisoning. The DNS system is what translates domain names people understand, like www.schneier.com, to IP addresses computers understand: 204.11.246.1. There is a whole family of vulnerabilities where the DNS system on your computer is fooled into thinking that the IP address for www.badsite.com is really the IP address for www.goodsite.com -- there's no way for you to tell the difference -- and that allows the criminals at www.badsite.com to trick you into doing all sorts of things, like giving up your bank account details. Kaminsky discovered a particularly nasty variant of this cache-poisoning attack.</p>

<p>Here's the way the timeline was supposed to work: Kaminsky discovered the vulnerability about six months ago, and quietly worked with vendors to patch it. (There's a fairly straightforward fix, although the implementation nuances are complicated.) Of course, this meant describing the vulnerability to them; why would companies like Microsoft and Cisco believe him otherwise? On July 8, he held a <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7496735.stm">press conference</a> to <a href="http://www.doxpara.com/?p=1162">announce</a> the <a href="http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/800113">vulnerability</a> -- but not the details -- and reveal that a patch was available from a long list of vendors. We would all have a month to patch, and Kaminsky would release details of the vulnerability at the <a href="http://www.blackhat.com/html/bh-usa-08/bh-us-08-main.html">BlackHat</a> conference early next month.</p>

<p>Of course, the details <a href="http://it.slashdot.org/it/08/07/21/2212227.shtml">leaked</a>. <a href="http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/07/details-of-dns.html">How</a> isn't important; it could have leaked a zillion different ways. Too many people knew about it for it to remain secret. Others who knew the general idea were too smart <a href="http://addxorrol.blogspot.com/2008/07/on-dans-request-for-no-speculation.html">not to speculate</a> on the details. I'm kind of amazed the details remained secret for this long; undoubtedly it had leaked into the underground community before the public leak two days ago. So now everyone who back-burnered the problem is rushing to patch, while the hacker community is racing to produce working exploits. </p>

<p>What's the moral here? It's easy to condemn Kaminsky: If he had shut up about the problem, we wouldn't be in this mess. But that's just wrong. Kaminsky found the vulnerability by accident. There's no reason to believe he was the first one to find it, and it's ridiculous to believe he would be the last. Don't shoot the messenger. The problem is with the DNS protocol; it's insecure.</p>

<p>The real lesson is that the <a href="http://www.schneier.com/crypto-gram-0103.html#1">patch treadmill</a> doesn't work, and it hasn't for years. This cycle of finding security holes and rushing to patch them before the bad guys exploit those vulnerabilities is expensive, inefficient and incomplete. We need to design security into our systems right from the beginning. We need <a href="http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2007/08/assurance.html">assurance</a>. We need security engineers involved in system design. This process won't prevent every vulnerability, but it's much more secure -- and cheaper -- than the patch treadmill we're all on now.</p>

<p>What a security engineer brings to the problem is a particular <a href="http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2008/03/the_security_mi.html">mindset</a>. He thinks about systems from a security perspective. It's not that he discovers all possible attacks before the bad guys do; it's more that he anticipates potential types of attacks, and defends against them even if he doesn't know their details. I see this all the time in good cryptographic designs. It's over-engineering based on intuition, but if the security engineer has good intuition, it generally works.</p>

<p>Kaminsky's vulnerability is a perfect example of this. Years ago, cryptographer Daniel J. Bernstein <a href="http://cr.yp.to/djbdns/forgery.html">looked at DNS security</a> and decided that Source Port Randomization was a smart design choice. That's exactly the work-around being rolled out now following Kaminsky's discovery. Bernstein didn't discover Kaminsky's attack; instead, he saw a general class of attacks and realized that this enhancement could protect against them. Consequently, the DNS program he wrote in 2000, <a href="http://cr.yp.to/djbdns/dnscache.html">djbdns</a>, doesn't need to be patched; it's already immune to Kaminsky's attack.</p>

<p>That's what a good design looks like. It's not just secure against known attacks; it's also secure against unknown attacks. We need more of this, not just on the internet but in voting machines, ID cards, transportation payment cards ... everywhere. Stop assuming that systems are secure unless demonstrated insecure; start assuming that systems are insecure unless designed securely.</p>

<p>This essay <a href="http://www.wired.com/politics/security/commentary/securitymatters/2008/07/securitymatters_0723">previously appeared</a> on Wired.com.</p><div class="feedflare">
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      <description><![CDATA[The Wall Street Journal reports that the military is taking Tech Lessons . It seems that over the last few years, the DISA CIO has been visiting different tech companies to learn about cutting-edge...]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Wall Street Journal reports that the military is taking “<a href="http://blogs.wsj.com/biztech/2008/07/24/the-military-takes-tech-lessons/?mod=djemTECH" target="_blank">Tech Lessons</a>”. It seems that over the last few years, the DISA CIO has been visiting different tech companies to learn about cutting-edge technologies that might be able to help soldiers in the battlefield. CIO Garing identified social networks and mashups as great technologies for smaller projects with potentially more immediate impact than the traditional years-long IT projects of the past. He should check out NAPA and the Collaboration Project [link to Dan Munz Q&amp;A] which highlights just how government agencies and orgs are already doing what he’s talking about.
<p>Just what I was waiting for, <a href="http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-9996318-16.html" target="_blank">open source takes on cloud computing</a>. <img src='http://blog.sciencelogic.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />
<p>We had a very interesting call this week with analyst firm, <a href="http://www.the451group.com/report_view/report_view.php?entity_id=54199" target="_blank">The 451 Group</a>, about the cloud and who is really doing what in this space now. Trying to separate the hype from reality, just like everyone else.
<p><a href="http://vmblog.com/archive/2008/07/23/forbes-interviews-vmware-ceo-paul-maritz-after-financial-analyst-call.aspx" target="_blank">After a disappointing (to analysts and the street) financial analyst call on Tuesday, VMware&#8217;s stock reached an all time low, almost back to the IPO stage</a>. In a follow-up interview, Forbes asked the new CEO what he thinks about the stock price, the analysts saying VMware doesn&#8217;t have a solid or innovative growth plan for the future, and whether <a href="http://vmware.com/" target="_blank">VMware</a> should be <a href="http://www.forbes.com/2008/07/22/vmware-maritz-qa-tech-intel-cx_wt_0722techvmware.html" target="_blank">part of EMC or not</a> (their backhand way of bringing up the whole Diane Greene thing…he didn’t fall for it).&nbsp;
<p>Wait for it…wait for it…we have been waiting for it. VMware announced plans to <a href="http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Infrastructure/VMwares-ESXi-Hypervisor-for-Free/?kc=EWKNLNAV07242008STR1" target="_blank">launch a free version of its ESXI hypervisor</a> starting July 28. I have to question the timing on this one. <a href="http://redmondmag.com/news/rss.asp?editorialsid=10067" target="_blank">Why didn’t they do this before Hyper-v came out</a> and try to at least undercut the Microsoft announcement? VMware is and should be the leader in this space but they act like they’re playing from behind. And to Wall Street, perception counts for a lot.
<p>Surprisingly, there hasn’t been a lot of coverage after the June 2008 OMB mandate on IPv6 readiness. But one interesting follow-up, <a href="http://www.networkworld.com/news/2008/072108-ipv6nat.html" target="_blank">a feature is set to be added to IPv6 which the upgrade was supposed to eliminate</a>. One of the <a href="http://www.circleid.com/posts/nat_just_say_no/">design goals</a> for IPv6 was that it would rid the Internet of network address translation (NAT), gateways that match increasingly scarce public IPv4 addresses with private IPv4 addresses used inside corporations, government agencies and other organizations.&nbsp; NAT adds complexity and cost, but due to the length of time it’s taken to migrate from IPv4 to IPv6, engineers may create special NAT devices to translate between IPv4-only and IPv6-only hosts and hopefully nudge along the transition to IPv6. IEEE is all set to meet on this topic later this month.</p>
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      <description><![CDATA[Notwithstanding the fine bloggery that goes on at this site (excluding yours truly of course), there's a bunch of splendid social computing activity going on here at RSA. There's no better example of...]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[Notwithstanding the fine bloggery that goes on at this site (excluding yours truly of course), there's a bunch of splendid social computing activity going on here at RSA. There's no better example of this than the RSA enVision Intelligence Community.
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The Intelligence Community is an online community of RSA enVision customers, partners, systems engineers and product managers. It's getting quite a lot of use too, with interesting new posts around feature requests, tips and tricks and product announcements appearing every day. <b>I was just trawling through it this morning, and I thought I'd pull out a few highlights...</b>
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      <description><![CDATA[Despite the best efforts of the security community, the details of a critical internet vulnerability discovered by Dan Kaminsky about six months ago have leaked. Hackers are racing to produce exploit...]]></description>
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Despite the best efforts of the security community, the details of a critical internet vulnerability discovered by Dan Kaminsky about six months ago have leaked. Hackers are racing to produce exploit code, and network operators who haven't already patched the hole are scrambling to catch up. The whole mess is a good illustration of the problems with researching and disclosing flaws like this.
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The <a href="http://darkoz.com/?p=15">details</a> of the <a href="http://blog.invisibledenizen.org/2008/07/kaminskys-dns-issue-accidentally-leaked.html">vulnerability</a> aren't important, but basically it's a form of DNS cache poisoning. The DNS system is what translates domain names people understand, like www.schneier.com, to IP addresses computers understand: 204.11.246.1. There is a whole family of vulnerabilities where the DNS system on your computer is fooled into thinking that the IP address for www.badsite.com is really the IP address for www.goodsite.com -- there's no way for you to tell the difference -- and that allows the criminals at www.badsite.com to trick you into doing all sorts of things, like giving up your bank account details. Kaminsky discovered a particularly nasty variant of this cache-poisoning attack.
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Here's the way the timeline was supposed to work: Kaminsky discovered the vulnerability about six months ago, and quietly worked with vendors to patch it. (There's a fairly straightforward fix, although the implementation nuances are complicated.) Of course, this meant describing the vulnerability to them; why would companies like Microsoft and Cisco believe him otherwise? On July 8, he held a <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7496735.stm">press conference</a> to <a href="http://www.doxpara.com/?p=1162">announce</a> the <a href="http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/800113">vulnerability</a> -- but not the details -- and reveal that a patch was available from a long list of vendors. We would all have a month to patch, and Kaminsky would release details of the vulnerability at the <a href="http://www.blackhat.com/html/bh-usa-08/bh-us-08-main.html">BlackHat</a> conference early next month.
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Of course, the details <a href="http://it.slashdot.org/it/08/07/21/2212227.shtml">leaked</a>. <a href="http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/07/details-of-dns.html">How</a> isn't important; it could have leaked a zillion different ways. Too many people knew about it for it to remain secret. Others who knew the general idea were too smart <a href="http://addxorrol.blogspot.com/2008/07/on-dans-request-for-no-speculation.html">not to speculate</a> on the details. I'm kind of amazed the details remained secret for this long; undoubtedly it had leaked into the underground community before the public leak two days ago. So now everyone who back-burnered the problem is rushing to patch, while the hacker community is racing to produce working exploits. 
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What's the moral here? It's easy to condemn Kaminsky: If he had shut up about the problem, we wouldn't be in this mess. But that's just wrong. Kaminsky found the vulnerability by accident. There's no reason to believe he was the first one to find it, and it's ridiculous to believe he would be the last. Don't shoot the messenger. The problem is with the DNS protocol; it's insecure.
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The real lesson is that the <a href="http://www.schneier.com/crypto-gram-0103.html#1">patch treadmill</a> doesn't work, and it hasn't for years. This cycle of finding security holes and rushing to patch them before the bad guys exploit those vulnerabilities is expensive, inefficient and incomplete. We need to design security into our systems right from the beginning. We need <a href="http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2007/08/assurance.html">assurance</a>. We need security engineers involved in system design. This process won't prevent every vulnerability, but it's much more secure -- and cheaper -- than the patch treadmill we're all on now.
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What a security engineer brings to the problem is a particular <a href="http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2008/03/the_security_mi.html">mindset</a>. He thinks about systems from a security perspective. It's not that he discovers all possible attacks before the bad guys do; it's more that he anticipates potential types of attacks, and defends against them even if he doesn't know their details. I see this all the time in good cryptographic designs. It's over-engineering based on intuition, but if the security engineer has good intuition, it generally works.
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Kaminsky's vulnerability is a perfect example of this. Years ago, cryptographer Daniel J. <a href="http://cr.yp.to/djbdns/forgery.html">Bernstein looked at DNS security</a> and decided that Source Port Randomization was a smart design choice. That's exactly the work-around being rolled out now following Kaminsky's discovery. Bernstein didn't discover Kaminsky's attack; instead, he saw a general class of attacks and realized that this enhancement could protect against them. Consequently, the DNS program he wrote in 2000, <a href="http://cr.yp.to/djbdns/dnscache.html">djbdns</a>, doesn't need to be patched; it's already immune to Kaminsky's attack.
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That's what a good design looks like. It's not just secure against known attacks; it's also secure against unknown attacks. We need more of this, not just on the internet but in voting machines, ID cards, transportation payment cards ... everywhere. Stop assuming that systems are secure unless demonstrated insecure; start assuming that systems are insecure unless designed securely.
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<p><em>Bruce Schneier is chief security technology officer of BT, and author of </em>Beyond Fear: Thinking Sensibly About Security in an Uncertain World<em>.</em>
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      <description><![CDATA[Interesting news over the weekend. Looks like one of the original researchers from the Princeton Cold Boot attack work, Jacob Applebaum, published all the utilities they used to break full disk...]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[Interesting news over the weekend. Looks like one of the original researchers from the <a href="http://citp.princeton.edu/memory">Princeton Cold Boot</a> attack work, Jacob Applebaum, <a href="http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/07/21/cold_boot_utilities/">published all the utilities</a> they used to break full disk encryption products.<br /><br />We, at BitArmor, have talked <a href="http://bitarmor.blogspot.com/2008/03/to-sleep-power-off-or-hibernate-cold.html">a bit about cold boot</a> and how we protect against it. Our CEO Patrick and a few of our senior engineers will be <a href="http://www.blackhat.com/html/bh-usa-08/bh-usa-08-speakers.html#McGregor">presenting at Black Hat</a> on techniques to prevent this attack - check out his <a href="http://bitarmor.blogspot.com/2008/02/my-princeton-experience-and-optimism.html">perspective as well</a> from his Princeton days.<div class="feedflare">
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      <description><![CDATA[For the past week Ive been in Freemont California (outside San Jose) with the InteropNet Team getting the network back up after Vegas so that its ready for New York. This Hot Stage has been...]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="MsoNormal">For the past week I’ve been in Freemont California (outside San Jose) with the InteropNet Team getting the network back up after Vegas so that it’s ready for New York.<span> </span>This Hot Stage has been interesting because it really has been about the difference in the shows in Las Vegas and New York.<span> </span>The show in New York is a bit smaller, but because access to the venue (Javitz Center) is more restrictive than the access the team gets in Vegas (<a href="http://www.mandalaybay.com/Conventions/" target="_blank">Mandalay Bay</a>), things need to be done differently.<span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The big difference between the two cities is the amount of time that the InteropNet team gets to produce a live, fully operational and redundant network.<span> </span>In Las Vegas, this was nearly a full week of time - a tight timeframe across 17 different vendors, but now we&#8217;re looking back at that timeframe as a luxury. In NY, we’ll be getting started Saturday morning, and the network needs to be delivered on Sunday morning for the registration desk and exhibitor move-in to begin.<span> </span>If you’re keeping score, that’s about <strong>24 hours to deliver a working network</strong>. Sounds hard, but it’s even harder when you consider that this means four DS-3s from two different locations, 17 full and 7 half racks of network gear, all the fiber and copper that the network is delivered over, etc all have to get done.<span> Good thing that with 2 and 3/4 kids, </span>I’m not planning on much sleep, and I don’t think the rest of the team is either.<span> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">In order to try and get the network delivered in that short timeframe, we worked hard at Hot Stage to assure that everything is ready to go.<span> </span>With some luck, the work that we’ve done here will allow us simply to roll the network gear into place, run the cables, fire up and go.<span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Now, things never really work out that way but that’s what EM7 is going to be there for.<span> </span>We’ll watch in real time as the network elements come live and be able to let the other <a href="http://interop.com/newyork/event-highlights/interopnet/sponsors.php" target="_blank">InteropNet vendors</a> know if their gear isn’t behaving<span> </span>as expected or is not visible for all the areas of the network that it should<span> </span>be.<span> We&#8217;ll keep track of all of this in the EM7 ticketing system so that after the show we&#8217;ll be able to analyze the behavior of the network and systems <a href="http://blog.sciencelogic.com/interop-las-vegas-2008-some-interesting-stats/06/2008" target="_blank">as we did after Vegas</a>. </span></p>
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