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    <pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 19:22:42 +0000</pubDate>
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      <title><![CDATA[Schoolteacher Julie Amero Released, Felony Charges Dropped]]></title>
      <link>http://securityratty.com/article/611d98bfbfc8499b8666035962d050e9</link>
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      <description><![CDATA[One of the real danger of technology, the reason for so much IT-Insecurity, is that many people dont understand it well
Case in point is the jury trial of Julie Amero, a schoolteacher who was charged...]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the real danger of technology, the reason for so much IT-Insecurity, is that many people don&#8217;t understand it well.</p>
<blockquote><p>Case in point is the jury trial of <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/securityfix/2008/11/ct_drops_felony_spywareporn_ch.html">Julie Amero, </a>a schoolteacher who was charged with felony for allegedly showing porn to her class&#8211;when in fact the porn sites were popups caused by malware on the classroom computers that popped up <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://techbuddha.wordpress.com/2008/11/22/injustice-served-the-julie-amero-case-is-finally-over/">while she was teaching</a>:</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>a series of incompetent computer experts and overzealous prosecutors tried to claim that the pornography that appeared on the school computer browser was deliberately viewed. In reality the computer was infected with a browser hijack or other form of malware nastiness that launched a flood of porn pop-ups. There was an outpouring of support and some technical folks like Alex Eckleberry, who led an effort to prove that Julie was innocent of the charges</p></blockquote>
<p>After a long trial, Amero has finally been vindicated. But she has still lost those years of her life spent on the case, her teaching credential, and is being charged a $100 fine. While her trial might be over, her personal troubles aren&#8217;t.</p>]]></content:encoded>
      <pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 10:35:14 +0000</pubDate>
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      <source url="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/itsecurity/~3/464364814/">Schoolteacher Julie Amero Released, Felony Charges Dropped</source>
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      <title><![CDATA[Another link spammer]]></title>
      <link>http://securityratty.com/article/4dd72baf5933c49893c38cadde935c82</link>
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      <description><![CDATA[Yet another link spammer is cluttering up my in-box. Youd think that after exposing this one , and this one , and this one , theyd know better
The latest set of miscreants operates under the brand...]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yet another link spammer is cluttering up my in-box. You&#8217;d think that after exposing <a href="http://www.lightbluetouchpaper.org/2007/01/07/human-rights-and-biophysics-strange-similarities/">this one</a>, and <a href="http://www.lightbluetouchpaper.org/2007/08/30/the-interns-of-privila/">this one</a>, and <a href="http://www.lightbluetouchpaper.org/2007/12/20/fatal-wine-waiters/">this one</a>, they&#8217;d know better.</p>
<p>The latest set of miscreants operates under the brand &#8220;<a href="http://www.goodeyeforlinks.com" rel="nofollow">goodeyeforlinks.com</a>&#8221; and claim to &#8220;use white hat SEO techniques in order to get high quality, do-follow links to your website&#8221;. They also claim to be &#8220;professional&#8221; which in this case must mean you pay for their services, since sending out bulk unsolicited email is anything but professional.</p>
<p>Nevertheless, although their long term aim may indeed be to make money from legitimate, albeit foolish, businesses seeking a higher profile, the sites they have been promoting so far are anything but legitimate. In fact they&#8217;ve been fake sites covered with Google adverts (so-called &#8220;<a href="http://www.sabahan.com/2006/06/26/how-mfa-made-for-adsense-sites-make-money/">Made for AdSense</a>&#8221; (MFA) sites).</p>
<p>They started by asking me to link to &#8220;<a href="http://www.entovation.net" rel="nofollow">entovation.net</a>&#8221; which they claim is &#8220;page rank 3&#8243;. In fact it is page rank 3 (!) and a blatant copy of <a href="http://www.acentesolutions.com/">http://www.acentesolutions.com</a> which appears entirely genuine (albeit only page rank 1). They have also been promoting &#8220;<a href="http://www.poland-translation-services.com" rel="nofollow">poland-translation-services.com</a>&#8220;, which claims to be a site offering &#8220;A large team of 2,500 translators specializing in each sector, located in over 30 countries&#8221; &#8230;</p>
<p>However, this site is clearly fake as well. I haven&#8217;t tracked down where it all comes from, but much of <a href="http://poland-translation-services.com/Translate-a-Document.html" rel="nofollow">this page</a> comes from <a href="http://www.intowords.com.ar/espanol/traducciones/traducciones-de-espanol-ingles.html">this Argentinian page</a>, the text of which has been pushed through <a href="http://www.google.com/language_tools?hl=en">Google&#8217;s Spanish to English translation tools</a>&#8230;  which sadly (for example) renders </p>
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Comentarios: Se considera foja al equivalente a 500 palabras. Si el documento a traducir es menor a una foja, se lo considerará como una foja.
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<p>into </p>
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Comments: foja is considered the equivalent of 500 words. If the document is translated to a lesser foja, we will consider as a foja.
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<p>which makes the 2500 translators look more than a little bit <a href="http://www.cartoonbank.com/item/124224">foolish</a>!</p>
<p>The fake websites are hosted by <a href="http://www.euroaccess.nl/">EuroAccess Enterprises Ltd.</a> in The Netherlands (which is also where the email spam has been sent from). I&#8217;m not alone in receiving this type of email, further examples can be found <a href="http://archives.neohapsis.com/archives/openbsd/2008-09/1548.html">here</a>, and <a href="http://www.projecthoneypot.org/ip_89.248.172.66">here</a>, and <a href="http://dansdata.blogsome.com/2008/10/16/i-do-like-a-good-link-spam-in-the-morning/">here</a>, and <a href="http://avvoblog.com/2008/11/10/linkbrokers-gone-wild/">here</a>, and <a href="http://www.nabble.com/Link-exchange-with-page-rank-4--Hotel-site-td19973368.html">here</a>, and <a href="http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/1522559">here</a>, and even <a href="http://blogpintura.wordpress.com/#comment-5">here (in Spanish)</a>.</p>
<p>EuroAccess have a fine ticketing system for abuse complaints&#8230; so I&#8217;m able to keep track of what they&#8217;re doing about my emails drawing their attention to the fraudsters they are hosting. I am therefore fully aware that they&#8217;ve so far marked my missives as &#8220;Priority: Low&#8221;, and nothing else is recorded to have been done&#8230; However, the tickets are still &#8220;Status: Open&#8221;, so perhaps a little publicity will encourage them to reassess their prioritisation.</p>
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      <pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 16:45:45 +0000</pubDate>
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      <source url="http://www.lightbluetouchpaper.org/2008/11/23/another-link-spammer/">Another link spammer</source>
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      <title><![CDATA[RIAA Lawsuits May Be Unconstitutional]]></title>
      <link>http://securityratty.com/article/93a6a6f47d9d5b1467dbe190bc929894</link>
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      <description><![CDATA[Harvard law professor Charles Nesson is arguing , in court, that the Digital Theft Deterrence and Copyright Damages Improvement Act of 1999 is unconstitutional: He makes the argument that the Digital...]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harvard law professor Charles Nesson is <a href="http://techdirt.com/articles/20081030/0203582685.shtml">arguing</a>, in court, that the Digital Theft Deterrence and Copyright Damages Improvement Act of 1999 is unconstitutional:</p>

<blockquote>He makes the argument that the Digital Theft Deterrence and Copyright Damages Improvement Act of 1999 is very much unconstitutional, in that its hefty fines for copyright infringement (misleadingly called "theft" in the title of the bill) show that the bill is effectively a criminal statute, yet for a civil crime. That's because it really focuses on punitive damages, rather than making private parties whole again. Even worse, it puts the act of enforcing the criminal statute in the hands of a private body (the RIAA) who uses it for profit motive in being able to get hefty fines.

<blockquote>Imagine a statute which, in the name of deterrence, provides for a $750 fine for each mile-per-hour that a driver exceeds the speed limit, with the fine escalating to $150,000 per mile over the limit if the driver knew he or she was speeding. Imagine that the fines are not publicized, and most drivers do not know they exist. Imagine that enforcement of the fines is put in the hands of a private, self-interested police force, that has no political accountability, that can pursue any defendant it chooses at its own whim, that can accept or reject payoffs in exchange for not prosecuting the tickets, and that pockets for itself all payoffs and fines. Imagine that a significant percentage of these fines were never contested, regardless of whether they had merit, because the individuals being fined have limited financial resources and little idea of whether they can prevail in front of an objective judicial body.</blockquote></blockquote>

<p>Another <a href="http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2008-11-16-music-downloading_N.htm">news story</a>. </p><div class="feedflare">
<a href="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~f/schneier/fulltext?a=5mEhN"><img src="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~f/schneier/fulltext?i=5mEhN" border="0"></img></a> <a href="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~f/schneier/fulltext?a=u1zCN"><img src="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~f/schneier/fulltext?i=u1zCN" border="0"></img></a>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:33:11 +0000</pubDate>
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      <source url="http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2008/11/riaa_lawsuits_m.html">RIAA Lawsuits May Be Unconstitutional</source>
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      <title><![CDATA[What's Happiness Got to Do With It?]]></title>
      <link>http://securityratty.com/article/141d4a55a5d3195a7aaaa7ca4b3a3c7e</link>
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      <description><![CDATA[Gartner's own John Pescatore has issued a 12 world post
The best security program is at the business with the happiest customers

Happiness? Really? That's the measure of program effectiveness? I...]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gartner&#39;s own John Pescatore has issued a 12 world <a href="http://blogs.gartner.com/john_pescatore/2008/10/28/twelve-word-tuesday-measuring-security-program-effectiveness/">post:</a></p><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span style="color: #333333; font-family: Arial; font-size: 14px; line-height: 17px; ">The best security program is at the business with the happiest customers.</span></p></blockquote><br /><div>Happiness? Really? That&#39;s the measure of program effectiveness? I would see those 12 words and raise them one word (13 if you&#39;re scoring at home):</div><br /><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p>There&#39;s a fine line between happy customers and playing piano in a bordello.</p></blockquote><br /><div>I mean the people running hedge funds and derivative books at AIG, Lehman and friends had lots of happy customers for the last decade!</div><br /><div>To me the happy customer is a classic IT copout &quot;we just did what the &quot;business&quot; asked&quot;. Like we&#39;re just a bystander or something. Its our job to create business value and be business like. We should seek to <span style="font-style: italic;">empower</span> out customers, not make them happy.&#0160;</div><br /><div>Please understand I am not that guy who says IT security has to be the &quot;bad cops&quot; who deny everything the business wants to do. Just saying it is our job to raise the bar where we can. Raising the bar does not always create super happy customers in the short run, but it does empower companies.</div><br /><div>Unfortunately, playing piano in the bordello is what a lot of security groups do and even big analyst firms. The path of least resistance ain&#39;t always the way. Here is an example. I was at a client many years ago, they wanted to build a big Identity Management solution, so of course they wrote a big RFI got responses from Sun, IBM, Oracle and friends. The bids were in the $3-5 million range. Pretty big projects for an Infosec team. So what do you do? Call up a big analyst firm and get some advice, right?</div><br /><div>A week goes by and we get an audience with the &quot;guru&quot; from the Big Analyst Firm. The client has pretty detailed requirements, what systems they want to connect to, what use cases they are looking to solve for, &#0160;and so on. We anxiously await the knowledge the analyst is about to transfer to us. His response was as follows - &quot;what kind of shop are you? IBM shop? Oracle shop?&quot; &quot;Ummm...we are a huge company we have everything.&quot; &quot;Well if you are more of a IBM shop you should go with them. If you are more of a Oracle shop you should go with them.&quot; That was the extent of a 30 minute conversation. True story.</div><br /><div>Of course, the one value proposition of the Big Analyst Firms is that they supposedly can tell you what everyone else is supposedly doing. There is some value in this I grant you. And it does make for happy customers because even when you force your customers to change, you can say &quot;Well geez, I know its hard but the Big Analyst Firm says that everyone is doing it.&quot; But is this security improvement?</div><br /><div>Back in 2004, I went to a great security conference, it was Information Security Decisions (<a href="http://infosecurityconference.techtarget.com/conference/index.html">they are back in Chicago next week</a>). It was in Chicago, downtown on the river. Tom Davern even took us all out on a boat for lunch one day. Anyway, there was one truly great talk there. It wasn&#39;t Fred Cohen debating <a href="http://cigital.com/justiceleague/">Gary McGraw</a> on application security which was outstanding (in which Fred uttered the memorable line &quot;I agree with Gary everywhere he agrees with me.&quot; (Gary won the debate, his best line - &quot;We know how to win the software security war, but we don&#39;t know how to manage the peace&quot; still the problem today actually)) It wasn&#39;t Pete Lindstrom showing his security metrics framework (which is still a great starting point). it wasn&#39;t Dan Geer&#39;s fireside chat.</div><br /><div>The truly great talk, though, was by the now departed <a href="http://1raindrop.typepad.com/1_raindrop/2007/02/thinking_about_.html">Robert Garigue</a>. It was called &quot;Its the End of the CISO as I Know It, (And I Feel Fine).&quot; The whole end to end talk was wonderful, there are several things in there that I still use every single day like the separate security models for Infostructure and Infrastructure but the point I want to talk about is the CISO role.</div><br /><div>Garigue talked about the two most prevalent CISO models - the jester and the bad cop. The jester CISO</div><br /><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; ">Sees a lot</span><br /><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; ">Can tell the king he has no clothes</span><br /><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; ">Can tell the king he really is ugly</span><br /><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; ">Does not get killed by the king</span><br /><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; ">Nice to have around but…how much security improvement comes from this ?</span></p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px;"><br /></span></p><div><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px;">The jester has happy customers! At least for awhile.</span></div><div><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px;">Again I grant you bad cop is not the way to go either (and while this already long post could read harsh on John Pescatore&#39;s pithy summary, I give him a lot of points for saying that security needs to be customer conscious).</span></div><div><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px;">We have all seen bad cop CISOs who</span></div><div><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px;"><br /></span></div><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; ">Changes happened faster that he was able to move</span><br /><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; ">Did not read the signs</span><br /><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; ">Good intentions went unfulfilled</span><br /><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; ">A brutal way to ending a promising career</span><br /><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; ">Sad to have around but…how much security improvement comes from this ?</span></p></blockquote><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px;"><br /></span></p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px;"></span></p><p style="margin-top: 10px; margin-bottom: 10px; text-align: left; ">Obviously these models of CISOs are not solving our information security problems. Instead Dr. Garigue points us to Charlemagne as a better model</p><blockquote style="margin-top: 10px; margin-bottom: 10px; "><p>King of the Franks and Holy Roman Emperor; conqueror of the Lombards and Saxons (742-814) - reunited much of Europe after the Dark Ages.</p><p style="margin-top: 10px; margin-bottom: 10px; text-align: left; ">He set up other schools, opening them to peasant boys as well as nobles. Charlemagne never stopped studying. He brought an English monk, Alcuin, and other scholars to his court - encouraging the development of a standard script.</p><p style="margin-top: 10px; margin-bottom: 10px; text-align: left; ">He set up money standards to encourage commerce, tried to build a Rhine-Danube canal, and urged better farming methods. He especially worked to spread education and Christianity in every class of people.</p><p style="margin-top: 10px; margin-bottom: 10px; text-align: left; ">He relied on Counts, Margraves and Missi Domini to help him.</p><p style="margin-top: 10px; margin-bottom: 10px; text-align: left; ">Margraves - Guard the frontier districts of the empire. Margraves retained, within their own jurisdictions, the authority of dukes in the feudal arm of the empire.</p><p style="margin-top: 10px; margin-bottom: 10px; text-align: left; ">Missi Domini - Messengers of the King.</p></blockquote><p style="margin-top: 10px; margin-bottom: 10px; text-align: left; "></p><p style="margin-top: 10px; margin-bottom: 10px; text-align: left; ">This is the way forward! Find software security champions in the architecture and development groups,help them understand the real security issues. They will find solutions you have not thought of. Same for DBAs, same for business analysts even. Its all about beating the bushes, education, and decentralizing security services. Specifically, he points out this important mandate for IT security</p><p></p><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; ">Knowledge of risky things is of strategic value</span></p></blockquote><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; ">How to know today tomorrow’s unknown ?</span><br /><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; ">How to structure information security processes in an organization so as to identify and address the NEXT categories of risks ?</span></p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px;"></span></p><p style="margin-top: 10px; margin-bottom: 10px; text-align: left; ">To me this is our mandate and measure of effectiveness. Empower our customers, educate, and create business value. If I am a CISO &#0160;I don&#39;t want 20 people reporting to me who do firewall ruleset changes. I want one champion in 20 different groups - development teams, architects, DBAs, business analysts.</p><p style="margin-top: 10px; margin-bottom: 10px; text-align: left; ">A concrete example, infosec can continue to go along with the herd and follow the &quot;what everyone else is doing architecture&quot; meanwhile developers are connecting <span style="font-style: italic;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">every single thing</span></span> in your business to the Web. I have been doing integration and new technology projects for a long time, and let me tell you - Change does not always create happy customers in the short run. But the chart below shows that information security is maybe more concerned with not causing waves rather than adapting.</p><p style="margin-top: 10px; margin-bottom: 10px; text-align: left; "></p>
<div><a href="http://1raindrop.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/05/19/innovatecompare_2.png"><img alt="Innovatecompare_2" border="0" height="167" src="http://1raindrop.typepad.com/1_raindrop/images/2008/05/19/innovatecompare_2.png" title="Innovatecompare_2" width="300" /></a><p></p></div><div>How long can developers evolve, connect everything and security people not change anything? Herb Stein said, &quot;things that can&#39;t go on forever, don&#39;t. &quot;At some point these chickens are coming home to roost, there is a yawning gap between rapidly evolution connecting the enterprise and the 13 year old and counting security architecture that &quot;Everyone else is using&quot; and when those chicken come home to roost you may not have happy customers then. Here is my 12 words:</div><br /><p></p><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span style="color: #333333; font-family: Arial; font-size: 14px; line-height: 17px; ">The best security program is at the business with sustainable competitive advantage.</span></p></blockquote>]]></content:encoded>
      <pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 07:00:44 +0000</pubDate>
      <category domain="http://securityratty.com/tag/information security">information security</category>
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      <source url="http://1raindrop.typepad.com/1_raindrop/2008/10/whats-happiness-got-to-do-with-it-1.html">What's Happiness Got to Do With It?</source>
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      <title><![CDATA[Malware? We don't need no stinking malware!]]></title>
      <link>http://securityratty.com/article/cbb029a08a78820b5ef90b69579719a1</link>
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      <description><![CDATA[Written by Oliver Fisher

This site may harm your computer
You may have seen those words in Google search results but what do they mean? If you click the search result link you get another warning...]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<span class="byline-author">Written by Oliver Fisher</span><br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">"This site may harm your computer"</span><br />You may have seen those words in Google search results — but what do they mean? If you click the search result link you get another warning page instead of the website you were expecting. But if the web page was your grandmother's baking blog, you're still confused. Surely your grandmother hasn't been secretly honing her l33t computer hacking skills at night school. Google must have made a mistake and your grandmother's web page is just fine...<br /><br /><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_LMSk7hTEaIE/SQI_1LfaQYI/AAAAAAAAtcc/zI4emYNyj4g/s1600-h/example.png"><img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 320px; height: 125px;" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_LMSk7hTEaIE/SQI_1LfaQYI/AAAAAAAAtcc/zI4emYNyj4g/s320/example.png" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5260837497572311426" border="0" /></a><br /><br />I work with the team that helps put the warning in Google's search results, so let me try to explain. The good news is that your grandmother is still kind and <a href="http://fitz.blogspot.com/2008/10/everybody-should-have-one.html">loves turtles</a>. She isn't trying to start a botnet or steal credit card numbers. The bad news is that her website or the server that it runs on probably has a security vulnerability, most likely from some out-of-date software. That vulnerability has been exploited and malicious code has been added to your grandmother's website. It's most likely an invisible script or iframe that pulls content from another website that tries to attack any computer that views the page. If the attack succeeds, then viruses, spyware, key loggers, botnets, and other nasty stuff will get installed.<br /><br />If you see the warning on a site in Google's search results, it's a good idea to pay attention to it. Google has automatic scanners that are constantly looking for these sorts of web pages. I help build the scanners and continue to be surprised by how accurate they are. There is almost certainly something wrong with the website even if it is run by someone you trust. The automatic scanners make unbiased decisions based on the malicious content of the pages, not the reputation of the webmaster.<br /><br />Servers are just like your home computer and need constant updating. There are lots of tools that make building a website easy, but each one adds some risk of being exploited. Even if you're diligent and keep all your website components updated, your web host may not be. They control your website's server and may not have installed the most recent OS patches. And it's not just innocent grandmothers that this happens to. There have been warnings on the websites of banks, sports teams, and corporate and government websites.<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">Uh-oh... I need help!</span><br />Now that we understand what the malware label means in search results, what do you do if you're a webmaster and Google's scanners have found malware on your site?<br /><br />There are some resources to help clean things up. The Google Webmaster Central blog has <a href="http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2008/04/my-sites-been-hacked-now-what.html">some tips</a> and a <a href="http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2007/09/quick-security-checklist-for-webmasters.html">quick security checklist for webmasters</a>. <a href="http://stopbadware.org/">Stopbadware.org</a> has great information, and their <a href="http://groups.google.com/group/stopbadware">forums</a> have a number of helpful and knowledgeable volunteers who may be able to help (sometimes I'm one of them). You can also use the Google SafeBrowsing diagnostics page for your site (http://www.google.com/safebrowsing/diagnostic?site=<i>&lt;site-name-here&gt;</i>) to see specific information about what Google's automatic scanners have found. If your site has been flagged, Google's <a href="http://www.google.com/webmasters/tools/">Webmaster Tools</a> lists some of the URLs that were scanned and found to be infected.<br /><br />Once you've cleaned up your website, use Google's <a href="http://www.google.com/webmasters/tools/">Webmaster Tools</a> to <a href="http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2008/08/hey-google-i-no-longer-have-badware.html">request a malware review</a>. The automatic systems will rescan your website and the warning will be removed if the malware is gone.<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">Advance warning</span><br />I often hear webmasters asking Google for advance warning before a malware label is put on their website. When the label is applied, Google usually <a href="http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?answer=45432#2">emails the website owners</a> and then posts a warning in Google's <a href="http://www.google.com/webmasters/tools/">Webmaster Tools</a>. But no warning is given ahead of time - <span style="font-weight: bold;">before</span> the label is applied - so a webmaster can't quickly clean up the site before a warning is applied.<br /><br />But, look at the situation from the user's point of view. As a user, I'd be pretty annoyed if Google sent me to a site it knew was dangerous. Even a short delay would expose some users to that risk, and it doesn't seem justified. I know it's frustrating for a webmaster to see a malware label on their website. But, ultimately, protecting users against malware makes the internet a safer place and everyone benefits, both webmasters and users.<br /><br />Google's <a href="http://www.google.com/webmasters/tools/">Webmaster Tools</a> has started a test to provide <a href="http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2008/10/message-center-warnings-for-hackable.html">warnings to webmasters</a> that their server software may be vulnerable. Responding to that warning and updating server software can prevent your website from being compromised with malware. The best way to avoid a malware label is to never have any malware on the site!<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">Reviews</span><br />You can request a review via Google's <a href="http://www.google.com/webmasters/tools/">Webmaster Tools</a> and you can see the status of the review there. If you think the review is taking too long, make sure to check the status. Finding all the malware on a site is difficult and the automated scanners are far more accurate than humans. The scanners may have found something you've missed and the review may have failed.  If your site has a malware label, Google's <a href="http://www.google.com/webmasters/tools/">Webmaster Tools</a> will also list some sample URLs that have problems. This is not a full list of all of the problem URLs (because that's often very, very long), but it should get you started.<br /><br />Finally, don't confuse a malware review with a <a href="http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2008/07/requesting-reconsideration-using-google.html">request for reconsideration</a>. If Google's automated scanners find malware on your website, the site will usually not be removed from search results. There is also a different process that removes spammy websites from Google search results. If that's happened and you disagree with Google, you should submit a <a href="http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2008/07/requesting-reconsideration-using-google.html">reconsideration request</a>. But if your site has a malware label, a reconsideration request won't do any good — for malware you need to file a malware review from the Overview page.<br /><br /><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_LMSk7hTEaIE/SQJAJQN-pYI/AAAAAAAAtck/DOkV2_QwJdQ/s1600-h/example2.png"><img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 320px; height: 202px;" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_LMSk7hTEaIE/SQJAJQN-pYI/AAAAAAAAtck/DOkV2_QwJdQ/s320/example2.png" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5260837842438759810" border="0" /></a><br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">How long will a review take?</span><br />Webmasters are eager to have a Google malware label removed from their site and often ask how long a review of the site will take. Both the original scanning and the review process are fully automated. The systems analyze large portions of the internet, which is big place, so the review may not happen immediately. Ideally, the label will be removed within a few hours. At its longest, the process should take a day or so.<div class="feedflare">
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      <title><![CDATA[Malware? We don't need no stinking malware!]]></title>
      <link>http://securityratty.com/article/7b001609aa5afd4ad270a86d179c2f41</link>
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      <description><![CDATA[Written by Oliver Fisher

This site may harm your computer
You may have seen those words in Google search results but what do they mean? If you click the search result link you get another warning...]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<span class="byline-author">Written by Oliver Fisher</span><br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">"This site may harm your computer"</span><br />You may have seen those words in Google search results — but what do they mean? If you click the search result link you get another warning page instead of the website you were expecting. But if the web page was your grandmother's baking blog, you're still confused. Surely your grandmother hasn't been secretly honing her l33t computer hacking skills at night school. Google must have made a mistake and your grandmother's web page is just fine...<br /><br /><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_LMSk7hTEaIE/SQI_1LfaQYI/AAAAAAAAtcc/zI4emYNyj4g/s1600-h/example.png"><img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 320px; height: 125px;" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_LMSk7hTEaIE/SQI_1LfaQYI/AAAAAAAAtcc/zI4emYNyj4g/s320/example.png" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5260837497572311426" border="0" /></a><br /><br />I work with the team that helps put the warning in Google's search results, so let me try to explain. The good news is that your grandmother is still kind and <a href="http://fitz.blogspot.com/2008/10/everybody-should-have-one.html">loves turtles</a>. She isn't trying to start a botnet or steal credit card numbers. The bad news is that her website or the server that it runs on probably has a security vulnerability, most likely from some out-of-date software. That vulnerability has been exploited and malicious code has been added to your grandmother's website. It's most likely an invisible script or iframe that pulls content from another website that tries to attack any computer that views the page. If the attack succeeds, then viruses, spyware, key loggers, botnets, and other nasty stuff will get installed.<br /><br />If you see the warning on a site in Google's search results, it's a good idea to pay attention to it. Google has automatic scanners that are constantly looking for these sorts of web pages. I help build the scanners and continue to be surprised by how accurate they are. There is almost certainly something wrong with the website even if it is run by someone you trust. The automatic scanners make unbiased decisions based on the malicious content of the pages, not the reputation of the webmaster.<br /><br />Servers are just like your home computer and need constant updating. There are lots of tools that make building a website easy, but each one adds some risk of being exploited. Even if you're diligent and keep all your website components updated, your web host may not be. They control your website's server and may not have installed the most recent OS patches. And it's not just innocent grandmothers that this happens to. There have been warnings on the websites of banks, sports teams, and corporate and government websites.<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">Uh-oh... I need help!</span><br />Now that we understand what the malware label means in search results, what do you do if you're a webmaster and Google's scanners have found malware on your site?<br /><br />There are some resources to help clean things up. The Google Webmaster Central blog has <a href="http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2008/04/my-sites-been-hacked-now-what.html">some tips</a> and a <a href="http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2007/09/quick-security-checklist-for-webmasters.html">quick security checklist for webmasters</a>. <a href="http://stopbadware.org/">Stopbadware.org</a> has great information, and their <a href="http://groups.google.com/group/stopbadware">forums</a> have a number of helpful and knowledgeable volunteers who may be able to help (sometimes I'm one of them). You can also use the Google SafeBrowsing diagnostics page for your site (http://www.google.com/safebrowsing/diagnostic?site=<i>&lt;site-name-here&gt;</i>) to see specific information about what Google's automatic scanners have found. If your site has been flagged, Google's <a href="http://www.google.com/webmasters/tools/">Webmaster Tools</a> lists some of the URLs that were scanned and found to be infected.<br /><br />Once you've cleaned up your website, use Google's <a href="http://www.google.com/webmasters/tools/">Webmaster Tools</a> to <a href="http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2008/08/hey-google-i-no-longer-have-badware.html">request a malware review</a>. The automatic systems will rescan your website and the warning will be removed if the malware is gone.<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">Advance warning</span><br />I often hear webmasters asking Google for advance warning before a malware label is put on their website. When the label is applied, Google usually <a href="http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?answer=45432#2">emails the website owners</a> and then posts a warning in Google's <a href="http://www.google.com/webmasters/tools/">Webmaster Tools</a>. But no warning is given ahead of time - <span style="font-weight: bold;">before</span> the label is applied - so a webmaster can't quickly clean up the site before a warning is applied.<br /><br />But, look at the situation from the user's point of view. As a user, I'd be pretty annoyed if Google sent me to a site it knew was dangerous. Even a short delay would expose some users to that risk, and it doesn't seem justified. I know it's frustrating for a webmaster to see a malware label on their website. But, ultimately, protecting users against malware makes the internet a safer place and everyone benefits, both webmasters and users.<br /><br />Google's <a href="http://www.google.com/webmasters/tools/">Webmaster Tools</a> has started a test to provide <a href="http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2008/10/message-center-warnings-for-hackable.html">warnings to webmasters</a> that their server software may be vulnerable. Responding to that warning and updating server software can prevent your website from being compromised with malware. The best way to avoid a malware label is to never have any malware on the site!<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">Reviews</span><br />You can request a review via Google's <a href="http://www.google.com/webmasters/tools/">Webmaster Tools</a> and you can see the status of the review there. If you think the review is taking too long, make sure to check the status. Finding all the malware on a site is difficult and the automated scanners are far more accurate than humans. The scanners may have found something you've missed and the review may have failed.  If your site has a malware label, Google's <a href="http://www.google.com/webmasters/tools/">Webmaster Tools</a> will also list some sample URLs that have problems. This is not a full list of all of the problem URLs (because that's often very, very long), but it should get you started.<br /><br />Finally, don't confuse a malware review with a <a href="http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2008/07/requesting-reconsideration-using-google.html">request for reconsideration</a>. If Google's automated scanners find malware on your website, the site will usually not be removed from search results. There is also a different process that removes spammy websites from Google search results. If that's happened and you disagree with Google, you should submit a <a href="http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2008/07/requesting-reconsideration-using-google.html">reconsideration request</a>. But if your site has a malware label, a reconsideration request won't do any good — for malware you need to file a malware review from the Overview page.<br /><br /><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_LMSk7hTEaIE/SQJAJQN-pYI/AAAAAAAAtck/DOkV2_QwJdQ/s1600-h/example2.png"><img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 320px; height: 202px;" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_LMSk7hTEaIE/SQJAJQN-pYI/AAAAAAAAtck/DOkV2_QwJdQ/s320/example2.png" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5260837842438759810" border="0" /></a><br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">How long will a review take?</span><br />Webmasters are eager to have a Google malware label removed from their site and often ask how long a review of the site will take. Both the original scanning and the review process are fully automated. The systems analyze large portions of the internet, which is big place, so the review may not happen immediately. Ideally, the label will be removed within a few hours. At its longest, the process should take a day or so.<div class="feedflare">
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      <pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 10:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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      <source url="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/GoogleOnlineSecurityBlog/~3/FIyRCnLebV4/malware-we-dont-need-no-stinking.html">Malware? We don't need no stinking malware!</source>
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      <title><![CDATA[Partial Disclosure - The Good, Bad, and Ugly]]></title>
      <link>http://securityratty.com/article/0f6f787360fca21b1b1d9b08ece3672b</link>
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      <description><![CDATA[There is apparently a bit of fear going around information security circles that the next big trend in the disclosure wars is going to be Partial Disclosure. In the past, the vulnerability research...]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is apparently a bit of fear going around information security circles that the next big trend in the disclosure wars is going to be &#8220;Partial Disclosure&#8221;. In the past, the vulnerability research community has embraced the concepts of &#8220;Full Disclosure&#8221; and/or &#8220;Non-Disclosure&#8221;. Once those concepts had been sufficiently played out, the general consensus was to move towards &#8220;Responsible Disclosure&#8221; whereby the security researcher responsibly discloses the discovered vulnerability to the vendor and works in a cooperative fashion in an effort to minimize the risk to the general user populous. This has worked well in the vast majority of cases that I have had the pleasure of managing the disclosure process.</p>
<p><b>Partial Disclosure - The Good</b></p>
<p>The responsible disclosure process tends to break down in rare occasions where the vendor doesn&#8217;t want to fix the issue. When this occurs, the researcher is put into a difficult position whereby full disclosure could put users&#8217; systems at high risk of compromise. The other case where partial disclosure becomes an alternative is when the researcher has discovered a design flaw in a protocol or underlying multiple vendor component. Examples of this case include the DNS flaws published this past summer by Dan Kaminsky and the TCP denial of service condition discovered by Robert E. Lee and Jack Louis that is currently in the disclosure process. When the flaw affects a very large number of vendors and the actual problem is located within the underlying protocols that support the communications of the Internet as a whole, one possible solution is to follow a partial disclosure model where phasing the details to the general public can be used to encourage adoption and creation of patches throughout the enormous target audience.</p>
<p><b>Partial Disclosure - The Bad</b></p>
<p>What is driving the fear surrounding partial disclosure is the potential for abuse. When a major flaw is partially disclosed, a number of potential issues may occur. First and foremost, the further along the partial disclosure path we are, the more details will be released to the public, and the higher the probability that someone (either good or bad intentioned) will figure out the exploit and disclose the details. Second, when partially disclosing, the vendor&#8217;s hand is being forced into a situation that could speed up fixes, reduce testing, and cause ripple problems elsewhere within the infrastructure. It is difficult enough to dance the fine time line when doing responsible disclosure, but if we are escalated to the point of partial disclosure, additional fuel is added to the fire.</p>
<p><b>The Ugly</b></p>
<p>The real ugly part of partial disclosure is when we add to the equation the ability to spread fear, uncertainty, and doubt into the normal user community. It is generally well accepted that FUD can be used to drive additional revenue. If it is possible to increase the perceived magnitude of the &#8220;problem&#8221; that your product or service solves, it is possible to directly impact the demand for that product or service. That is the major fear imposed by the growing trend of partial disclosure. By releasing just enough information to trigger wide scale speculation into the flaw, it is possible to create buzz and garner media attention resulting in a lot of speculation and very little hard facts around the issue. The potential for abuse by the security industry at large is enormous.</p>
<p><b>The Fix</b></p>
<p>Some have suggested a group of security researchers be convened to vet the requirement of partial disclosure and to allow for independent peer review of any security research that requires the partial disclosure process. This suggestion leaves questions regarding who would stand on this group and who would be impartial enough to ensure that the right thing was always done regardless of profit potential. It also leaves open the opportunity for member researchers to utilize the information gathered during the vetting process to position themselves to profit from the data upon release. It might be wiser to rely on a higher level authority or government entity to manage this process and use the services of security researchers as required for subject matter expertise. While a group of this type wouldn&#8217;t ensure that all partial disclosure is appropriate, it would hopefully limit the potential for abuse and the ever present chance that people try to profit from the FUD that surrounds the current partial disclosure process.</p>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 09:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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      <title><![CDATA[A Cryptographer and a Data Communications Guy Talk About Risk Management]]></title>
      <link>http://securityratty.com/article/5c18b17d022b8a56101fd4b3d13c5f03</link>
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      <description><![CDATA[Sounds like the beginning of a joke, right? So these two guys walk into a bar
The Bruce Schneier and Marcus Ranum have an article up on TechTarget/Information Security Magazine called, creatively...]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Sounds like the beginning of a joke, right?  <em>So these two guys walk into a bar&#8230;</em></p></blockquote>
<p>&#8220;The&#8221; Bruce Schneier and Marcus Ranum have an article up on TechTarget/Information Security Magazine called, creatively enough, &#8220;<span class="homeSplashTitle"><span class="text0"><strong><a href="http://searchsecurity.techtarget.com/magazineFeature/0,296894,sid14_gci1332745_idx1,00.html">Bruce Schenier, Marcus Ranum debate risk management</a>&#8220;. </strong></span></span></p>
<p>Unfortunately, to get to the article, you&#8217;ll have to either already be a subscriber to IT Security, a subscriber to TechTarget, or go through the 20 minute process of signing up by giving TechTarget all sorts of &#8220;market information&#8221; about how you&#8217;re really Brandon Walsh, CSO of &#8220;The Peach Pit&#8221; Industries in Beverly Hills, CA 90210 (phone 714-867-5309).</p>
<p>For those of you who are already a TechTarget person, the link is above.  For those who aren&#8217;t, or those who just don&#8217;t have the time, I&#8217;ll summarize.  The &#8220;debate&#8221; is kind of awkward because both authors seem come to the same conclusion:</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><em><strong>Risk Management, it&#8217;s something our profession should do, something humans do naturally, it&#8217;s necessary in business, but gosh - we don&#8217;t have enough data.</strong></em></p>
<p>I&#8217;m not a cryptographer.  I don&#8217;t *nearly* have the insight on privacy and politics that Bruce has.  I&#8217;m not deep in IP communications.  I haven&#8217;t got a proven track record of innovation in IP Security products like Marcus has.  But here&#8217;s the thing, I hope you&#8217;ll never hear me pretend that I have the skill set to speak authoritatively on those subjects.  Heck, I wouldn&#8217;t claim to be a &#8220;risk&#8221; expert because I have a some insight into my shortcomings and what is needed to tackle such a complex problem.  But such a tepid article on something that (at least I think) is so important kind of, well, confuses me.</p>
<p>Why is it such a boring article?  I&#8217;m not sure.  Maybe because they&#8217;re just two guys who would rather debate the merits of specific controls or control activities (after all, their penetration testing debate was a huge success), but there&#8217;s no new information in the &#8220;debate&#8221;.  It&#8217;s the same old &#8220;insurance companies know risk because they have scads of data and we don&#8217;t have that&#8221; complaint. You know what?  I&#8217;m tired of hearing that line, so let&#8217;s talk about it.</p>
<p><strong>HOW DO YOU KNOW WE DON&#8217;T HAVE THE AMOUNT OF DATA WE NEED TO DO RISK MANAGEMENT WELL?</strong></p>
<p>Not particularly picking on Marcus, but in the article he uses the common complaint, &#8220;We lack the data to do risk management well.&#8221;  This mantra is repeated to the point where I&#8217;m blase&#8217; about it.  But for some reason, this sentence really jumped out at me this time for two reasons.  It made me ask:</p>
<p>1.)  How do you <em>know</em> we don&#8217;t have the proper amount of data?</p>
<p>2.)  Can we even define &#8220;well&#8221; (i.e. what &#8220;good&#8221; risk management is) yet?</p>
<p>I really don&#8217;t know that the industry, especially concerning IT risk, is mature enough to really conclude that we don&#8217;t know (in the case of the former), nor that we can define (latter), conclusively.</p>
<p><strong>PLAYING THE CONTRARIAN</strong></p>
<p>Just because I&#8217;m feeling kind of zany this morning, let me suggest something.  Maybe there actually is lots of evidence out there for us to use.  Maybe:</p>
<p>1.)  It&#8217;s just that we don&#8217;t have particularly good models that provide context.</p>
<p>2.)  When that evidence isn&#8217;t an obvious phenomena that lends itself to easy measurement, we throw our hands up in disgust and fall back on &#8220;lack of data&#8221;, &#8220;can&#8217;t quantify risk&#8221;, &#8220;best practices work just fine&#8221; or any other number of arguments, no,<em> excuses</em> we use to justify our inability to be precise about the past (more or less the present or future - apologies to Niels Bohr).</p>
<p><strong>IT&#8217;S IN THE WAY THAT YOU USE IT</strong></p>
<p>Now I actually am happy to acknowledge that we don&#8217;t have enough data to be precise.  You, me, even smart guys like Marcus and Bruce - we&#8217;ll never be able to &#8220;engineer&#8221; risk management.  But you know what?  Neither can Insurance companies.  Sure, there are plenty of places where they have enough data to apply a traditional frequentist approach to risk valuations.   But there are plenty of times Insurers actually insure and they don&#8217;t have centuries or decades of data.  There are plenty of times when they rely on the &#8220;estimates&#8221; of subject matter experts.  There are many times they have enough information to be <em><strong>accurate</strong></em> rather than precise, and that&#8217;s good enough for them.</p>
<p>For that matter, it&#8217;s worth noting that there are plenty of scientific disciplines that have to deal in imprecise prior information, or evidence that&#8217;s fraught with uncertainty (what Ranum calls &#8220;squishy&#8221;, and what I&#8217;ve heard real honest to goodness physicists call &#8220;noisy&#8221;).  Unfortunately, we&#8217;re going to be like them.  Until we can read minds and predict the future, there will always be uncertainty in our measurements and posterior conclusions.  The trick is in how you deal with it and express it.  And while I really don&#8217;t know how much time Marcus or Bruce have really spent in the deep end on the subject of risk and its management - I have seen people doing brilliant things around risk (though they just aren&#8217;t mainstream).  Whether the tools are Bayesian methods, Monte Carlo engines, reductionist models of complex problems, there are risk analysts trying to deal with the problem.  These analysts are applying scientific method(s) and developing reasonable approaches to a very complex problem.  <em><strong>There are people trying, and our body of knowledge is growing</strong></em>, growing well beyond &#8220;gee, I haven&#8217;t got an obvious solution so I&#8217;ll blame it on lack of data&#8221;.  Heck, I&#8217;ve seen readers of this blog suggest Douglas Hubbard&#8217;s book in other security forums!<span style="color: #ff0000;">*</span></p>
<p><strong>I&#8217;VE GOT YOUR DATA RIGHT HERE&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>But we don&#8217;t have enough data?  I have to ask, how much more do we need?  I mean crikey, JPMC just visited our ISSA chapter claiming, like, a bajillion events an hour.  There&#8217;s not one, but several companies out there that will want to tell you about how they have deep &#8220;insight&#8221; into the attacker community.  The boundaries of IT Risk losses are pretty well established by events that happen to public companies.  We have pretty mature testing/assessment tools and methodologies now that help us test our ability to resist the force an attacker can apply to us.  So what part of the Threat Landscape, Asset (Controls) Landscape, or Loss Magnitude landscape is too incomplete (and what are you doing to find the information you need)?</p>
<p><strong>SO WHY DO WE FAIL?</strong></p>
<p>Which brings me to a final, somewhat depressing conclusion.  Maybe there&#8217;s data, and maybe we&#8217;re starting to see the means to use it.  But in the end I do have to agree with Marcus that the vast majority of the infosec world *is* doing a really, really bad job with regards to &#8220;risk&#8221; and &#8220;risk management&#8221;.  The majority of people I know consider GRC to be a cruel, expensive joke.  Risk Assessment Methodologies tend to be built on the faulty premise that if we create a repeatable process, our measurements and conclusions will magically become accurate and wise.  Risk models tend to be factors loosely measured by ordinal scales and then somehow &#8220;multiplied&#8221; together to create a relatively meaningless qualitative value.  The State of the Union here is not good.  But after reading such a superficial treatment of an important and complex subject, I am left wondering if Bruce and Marcus were the right people to write about risk management in a mainstream publication.  As Inspector Callahan says, &#8220;<strong><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZNlraF0xec">A man&#8217;s got to know his limitations</a></strong>.&#8221;</p>
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<p><span style="color: #ff0000;">*</span> <em>Speaking of which, if you want to do one cost effective thing to address your uncertainty - go find Douglas Hubbard&#8217;s book. It&#8217;s even got a nice recommendation from Peter Tippett.  The book is called &#8220;How To Measure Anything&#8221; - the title sounds rather hyperbolic, but there are good techniques in it we can use to identify useful information and refine our ability to frame that qualitative information into quantitative values. The key is how Hubbard has you deal with your uncertainty.  For those of you who are more scientific minded and want to dig deep into the subject, I have on good authority that E.T. Jaynes &#8220;Probability Theory, The Logic of Science&#8221; is a rather under appreciated work.</em></p>
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