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    <pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 11:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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      <title><![CDATA[Listening to the evidence]]></title>
      <link>http://securityratty.com/article/cb3684b9bd257e429791aaa34c5339e3</link>
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      <description><![CDATA[Last week the House of Commons Culture, Media and Sport Select Committee published a report of their inquiry into Harmful content on the Internet and in video games . They make a number of...]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last week the <a href="http://www.parliament.uk/parliamentary_committees/culture__media_and_sport.cfm">House of Commons Culture, Media and Sport Select Committee</a> published a report of their inquiry into &#8220;<a href="http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200708/cmselect/cmcumeds/353/353.pdf">Harmful content on the Internet and in video games</a>&#8220;. They make a number of recommendations including a self-regulatory body to set rules for Internet companies to force them to protect users; that sites should provide a &#8220;watershed&#8221; so that grown-up material cannot be viewed before 9pm; that YouTube should screen material for forbidden content; that &#8220;<a href="http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php?/site/article/4633/">suicide websites</a>&#8221; should be blocked; that ISPs should be forced to block child sexual abuse image websites whatever the cost, and that blocking of bad content was generally desirable.</p>
<p>You will discern a certain amount of enthusiasm for blocking, and for a &#8220;<a href="http://www.yes-minister.com/polterms.htm#Politicians">something must be done</a>&#8221; approach. However, in coming to their conclusions, they do not, in my view, seem to have listened too hard to the evidence, or sought out expertise elsewhere in the world&#8230;<br />
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Google/YouTube told them that 10 hours of video was posted every minute, and the amount is increasing. In the oral evidence session an MP helpfully suggested: &#8220;That video content is tagged. You do not need to look at every single minute of video content. Surely you could have people who would look at the video content which is tagged with labels which suggest it could be inappropriate.&#8221; Of course &#8220;<a href="http://lostria.blogspot.com/2008/01/fertility-slaps.html">happy_slapping.wmv</a>&#8221; or &#8220;<a href="http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/bunny-boiler.html">fluffy_bunnies.avi</a>&#8221; must always contain exactly what it says on the tin (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not%21">not!</a>) but unaccountably Google said it was a &#8220;fair suggestion&#8221;, so perhaps my cynicism is misplaced.</p>
<p>However, back to blocking.</p>
<p>I submitted <a href="http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rnc1/080129-cms.pdf">some evidence of my own</a>, which the committee summarised, reasonably accurately:</p>
<blockquote><p>Dr Richard Clayton, a researcher in the Security Group of the Computer Laboratory at Cambridge University and author of several academic papers on methods for blocking access to Internet content, pointed out that there was no single blocking method which was both inexpensive and discerning enough to block access to only one part of a large website (such as FaceBook). In his view, the fatal flaw of all network-level blocking schemes was the ease with which they could be overcome, either by encrypting content or by the use of proxy services hosted outside the UK.</p></blockquote>
<p>The committee&#8217;s conclusion, having read this was:</p>
<blockquote><p>At a time of rapid technological change, it is difficult to judge whether blocking access to Internet content at network level by Internet service providers is likely to become ineffective in the near future. However, this is not a reason for not doing so while it is still effective for the overwhelming majority of users.</p></blockquote>
<p>which I suppose logically means that the committee thinks that blocking should now be discarded as a policy option &#8212; but somehow I think that isn&#8217;t their intended meaning.</p>
<p>The Committee should perhaps have a look at <a href="http://www.acma.gov.au/webwr/_assets/main/lib310554/isp-level_internet_content_filtering_trial-report.pdf">this Australian report</a>, which found that ISP level content filtering (and in Australia the politicians want to use ISP level filtering to provide a child-friendly Internet) did work (up to a point) at Tier 3 (the smallest) ISPs. The <a href="http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Evelyn_Waugh#Scoop_.281938.29">up-to-a-point</a> is that unlike previous tests the systems didn&#8217;t completely wreck the browsing experience by slowing it down. However, the systems blocked only 85-98% of illegal material and similar percentages of material suitable for adults but not for younger children. Interestingly some products were better at different categories.</p>
<p>Getting that many sites wrong is really quite significant, so it&#8217;s difficult to see this as a ringing endorsement for blocking the web. Additionally, the Australian report found that the blocking was useless on &#8220;non-web&#8221; protocols (such as peer-to-peer) and their report specifically didn&#8217;t consider cost, or ease of circumvention &#8212; so it&#8217;s not just UK politicians not wanting to consider evidence on that topic!</p>
<p>Finally, I should note that the Culture Media and Sport Committee has also ignored some rather more recent academic work. The MPs have put into their report that they were horrified to discover that child sexual abuse images took 24 hours to remove in the UK. What (should they ever learn of it) will they make of the recent discovery by <a href="http://people.seas.harvard.edu/~tmoore/">Tyler Moore</a> and myself that shows that if the website is hosted abroad then <a href="http://www.lightbluetouchpaper.org/2008/06/11/slow-removal-of-child-sexual-abuse-image-websites/">a month is more to be expected</a>?</p>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 20:24:33 +0000</pubDate>
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      <source url="http://www.lightbluetouchpaper.org/2008/08/08/listening-to-the-evidence/">Listening to the evidence</source>
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      <title><![CDATA[Follow the Yellow Brick Road]]></title>
      <link>http://securityratty.com/article/887593779bb99c69b570648c6cdcc8d6</link>
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      <description><![CDATA[Marc Adlerfollows on from Muddy Waters to The First Annual Fluffies for CEP where Marc also calls into question the transparency, credibility and accuracy of the various fluffy awards we see from...]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marc Adler follows on from <a title="Muddy Waters" rel="bookmark" href="http://www.thecepblog.com/2008/07/16/muddy-waters/"><span style="color: #105cb6;">Muddy Waters</span></a> to <a href="http://magmasystems.blogspot.com/2008/07/first-annual-fluffies-for-cep.html" target="_blank">The First Annual Fluffies for CEP</a> where Marc also calls into question the transparency, credibility and accuracy of the various fluffy &#8220;awards&#8221; we see from time-to-time.</p>
<p>When I discussed this openly with Waters in <a title="Muddy Waters" rel="bookmark" href="http://www.thecepblog.com/2008/07/16/muddy-waters/"><span style="color: #105cb6;">Muddy Waters</span></a> comments they kindly replied that &#8220;customers are loath to be a reference client for a vendor,&#8221;  like this fact somehow justifies having 600 people, most who have never actually used the software in practice, vote on how great it is.  </p>
<blockquote><p><em>Follow the Yellow Brick Road.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>Or, as Mark Adler pointed out in his well written blog post <a href="http://magmasystems.blogspot.com/2008/07/first-annual-fluffies-for-cep.html" target="_blank">The First Annual Fluffies for CEP</a> , a secretive &#8220;panel of renowned judge&#8221; is going to tell us, via Jolt, who has the better solution?  Holy Cow Batman!   Let me buy a nice layout in your magazine  or web site,  please, so &#8220;my software company&#8221; will be on the short list for the &#8220;the awards&#8221;.  </p>
<blockquote><p><em>Follow the Yellow Brick Road.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>All this smoke-and-mirrors. share-the-love, marketing reminds me of The Matrix a bit, where the world as we observe it, is a complete artificial construction, where most people in the Matrix believe they are &#8220;real&#8221; because they do not know that they really just a computer generated program designed to keep humans happy as they sleep in some cold goop with electrodes stuck up their you-know-what, really just bio-batteries insuring the light bill is paid.</p>
<blockquote><p><em>Follow the Yellow Brick Road.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>Or better yet, these fluffies are similar to most of the Webinars we see where there are questions from &#8220;the audience&#8221; but we know that most of these questions did not come from the &#8220;audience&#8221; - yet we all seem to continue &#8221;the  audience&#8221; myth just like Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny! </p>
<blockquote><p><em>Follow the Yellow Brick Road.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>The Easter Bunny, Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy and the Fluffy Awards are real, if you want them to be real.  Just close your eyes and click your heels three times&#8230;.</p>
<blockquote><p>Follow the Yellow Brick Road. Follow the Yellow Brick Road.<br />
Follow, follow, follow, follow,<br />
Follow the Yellow Brick Road.<br />
Follow the Yellow Brick, Follow the Yellow Brick,<br />
Follow the Yellow Brick Road.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>We&#8217;re off to see the Wizard, The Wonderful Wizard of Oz.<br />
You&#8217;ll find he is a whiz of a Wiz! If ever a Wiz! there was.<br />
If ever oh ever a Wiz! there was The Wizard of Oz is one because,<br />
Because, because, because, because, because.<br />
Because of the wonderful things he does.<br />
We&#8217;re off to see the Wizard. The Wonderful Wizard of Oz</p></blockquote>
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      <pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 15:57:20 +0000</pubDate>
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      <source url="http://www.thecepblog.com/2008/07/19/follow-the-yellow-brick-road/">Follow the Yellow Brick Road</source>
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      <title><![CDATA[Cloud Stacks: Please Mind The Gap]]></title>
      <link>http://securityratty.com/article/21b13bec04c4ce54a390e3289d568b06</link>
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      <description><![CDATA[Security gaps creep in when people think other people are taking care of it
When a security practitioner assesses a complex system, theyll look at the hand offs between different players within the...]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a title="MIND THE GAP" href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/30571787@N00/307814064/" target="_blank"><img src="http://farm1.static.flickr.com/102/307814064_6fd3fa48e4_m.jpg" border="0" alt="MIND THE GAP" /></a></p>
<p><a title="MIND THE GAP" href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/30571787@N00/307814064/" target="_blank"></a>Security gaps creep in when people think <em>other people</em> are &#8216;taking care of it&#8217;.</p>
<p>When a security practitioner assesses a complex system, they&#8217;ll look at the &#8216;hand offs&#8217; between different players within the system.  In fact, if they&#8217;ve been in the game for a while, they&#8217;ll apply laser sharp focus to where the responsibilities of one party ends and another party begins.  In other words, they&#8217;ll be searching for the security gaps, the security &#8216;no-mans land&#8217;.   This is a dark place where - as a <a href="http://mokumvonamsterdam.blogspot.com/">good friend</a> of mine puts it - &#8220;the bad stuff&#8221; gets in and the &#8220;good stuff&#8221; doesn&#8217;t flow.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;ve ever performed a security review of an outsourced IT system, you&#8217;ll know exactly what I mean.</p>
<p>In the context of Cloud Computing then, who takes responsibility for what?</p>
<p>As a customer of the Cloud, you or your company may strike an agreement with a company perched atop the Cloud.  They provide you with Software as a Service (SaaS) or some other form of high level, end-user service.  Your service agreement and/or contract will define what you can expect from them and what they expect from you.</p>
<p>However, to deliver the service to you, they rely on other Cloud providers further down the stack.  In fact, at any level in the Cloud Stack, it could be multiple players providing the service *they* rely on; e.g. Cloud Storage, Cloud Compute, Cloud Security (?). </p>
<p>These providers in turn depend upon other service providers at the next layer down in the Cloud and so on.</p>
<p>See where I&#8217;m going with this?</p>
<p>This is a new game I&#8217;m going to call &#8220;<strong>Join the Security Dots in Cloud Land</strong>&#8220;.</p>
<p>And even then it isn&#8217;t as simple as I&#8217;ve presented it.</p>
<p>To end this post I&#8217;m going to ask a question to readers of this blog <em>that provide a service</em> on top of the Cloud (I have logs, I know you&#8217;re out there ;-):</p>
<p>What *security* arrangements do you have in place with Cloud Service Providers you rely on to deliver your service?  What are you doing to build &#8220;trust in depth&#8221; in the Cloud?</p>
<p>To clarify, I&#8217;m not asking you to spill your secret sauce on the Cloud Security alter - rather I want to hear what you are doing for your customers to build assurance (and I don&#8217;t mean &#8216;fluffy&#8217; clouds ;-).</p>
<p>Personally, I think this will be one of the keys to selling Cloud Services to Enterprise customers.</p>
<p>Please reply in the comments below or <a href="mailto:craig.balding@gmail.com">email me</a>.</p>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 16:54:37 +0000</pubDate>
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      <source url="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/CloudSecurity/~3/277164284/">Cloud Stacks: Please Mind The Gap</source>
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      <title><![CDATA[More on PCI]]></title>
      <link>http://securityratty.com/article/c5017a1b678b3c1f04e08c6a25885bc8</link>
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      <description><![CDATA[Now, you guys will hate for another slightly &quot;fluffy&quot; piece, but here it is: &quot; PCI Compliance is not just a one off quick fix
About me:...]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[Now, you guys will hate for another slightly "fluffy" piece, but <a href="http://www.securityextra.com/pci-compliance-is-not-just-a-one-off-quick-fix.html">here </a>it is: "<b><span style="color:#ffffff;"><a rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link to PCI Compliance is not just a ‘one off’ quick fix" href="http://www.securityextra.com/pci-compliance-is-not-just-a-one-off-quick-fix.html">PCI Compliance is not just a ‘one off’ quick fix</a></span></b><!-- <span class="comments"><img src="http://www.securityextra.com/wp-content/themes/security_extra/images/comment.gif" width="16" height="16" align="top" /></span> -->."<div class="blogger-post-footer">About me: http://www.chuvakin.org</div><div class="feedflare">
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      <pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 08:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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      <title><![CDATA["High-level" vs Fluffy vs Dumb vs Irrelevant?]]></title>
      <link>http://securityratty.com/article/0d6e1240052391f86dde07655e67c6b2</link>
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      <description><![CDATA[Very fun emerging blog discussion on executive data presentation

First : &quot;What the client is telling me is that their execu-types cant handle 5-6 word sentences and I have to be more concise and drop...]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[Very fun emerging blog discussion on <span style="font-weight: bold;">executive data presentation</span>:<br /><br /><a href="http://www.athomeprd.com/%7Ejimb/blog/?p=22">First</a>: "What the client is telling me is that their execu-types can’t handle 5-6 word sentences and I have to be more concise and drop it down to 1-3 words per bullet. [...] I find it alarming at many levels that the executives running fortune 100 or 500 companies can only comprehend at a 1st grade level."<br /><br /><a href="http://blogs.computerworld.com/the_coddled_and_shielded_executive">Second</a>: "While I agree with Jim and share his pain (I have given a few exec-level presentations in my time), I also think there is another underlying cause for this: basically, people do not want their execs to know what is going on."<br /><br /><a href="http://securityincite.com/blog/mike-rothman/the-daily-incite-november-28-2007">Third</a>: " ... executives at big companies can't comprehend at a 1st grade level. That's a load of crap. Fortune class executives understand exactly what the issues are. The sad truth is that relative to security, for the most part, they just don't care. So we don't need to dumb down our presentations, WE NEED TO MAKE THEM RELEVANT."<div class="blogger-post-footer">About me: http://www.chuvakin.org</div><div class="feedflare">
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      <source url="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/AntonChuvakinPersonalBlog/~3/192099923/high-level-vs-fluffy-vs-dumb-vs.html">"High-level" vs Fluffy vs Dumb vs Irrelevant?</source>
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