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      <title><![CDATA[What's Happiness Got to Do With It?]]></title>
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      <description><![CDATA[Gartner's own John Pescatore has issued a 12 world post
The best security program is at the business with the happiest customers

Happiness? Really? That's the measure of program effectiveness? I...]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gartner&#39;s own John Pescatore has issued a 12 world <a href="http://blogs.gartner.com/john_pescatore/2008/10/28/twelve-word-tuesday-measuring-security-program-effectiveness/">post:</a></p><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span style="color: #333333; font-family: Arial; font-size: 14px; line-height: 17px; ">The best security program is at the business with the happiest customers.</span></p></blockquote><br /><div>Happiness? Really? That&#39;s the measure of program effectiveness? I would see those 12 words and raise them one word (13 if you&#39;re scoring at home):</div><br /><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p>There&#39;s a fine line between happy customers and playing piano in a bordello.</p></blockquote><br /><div>I mean the people running hedge funds and derivative books at AIG, Lehman and friends had lots of happy customers for the last decade!</div><br /><div>To me the happy customer is a classic IT copout &quot;we just did what the &quot;business&quot; asked&quot;. Like we&#39;re just a bystander or something. Its our job to create business value and be business like. We should seek to <span style="font-style: italic;">empower</span> out customers, not make them happy.&#0160;</div><br /><div>Please understand I am not that guy who says IT security has to be the &quot;bad cops&quot; who deny everything the business wants to do. Just saying it is our job to raise the bar where we can. Raising the bar does not always create super happy customers in the short run, but it does empower companies.</div><br /><div>Unfortunately, playing piano in the bordello is what a lot of security groups do and even big analyst firms. The path of least resistance ain&#39;t always the way. Here is an example. I was at a client many years ago, they wanted to build a big Identity Management solution, so of course they wrote a big RFI got responses from Sun, IBM, Oracle and friends. The bids were in the $3-5 million range. Pretty big projects for an Infosec team. So what do you do? Call up a big analyst firm and get some advice, right?</div><br /><div>A week goes by and we get an audience with the &quot;guru&quot; from the Big Analyst Firm. The client has pretty detailed requirements, what systems they want to connect to, what use cases they are looking to solve for, &#0160;and so on. We anxiously await the knowledge the analyst is about to transfer to us. His response was as follows - &quot;what kind of shop are you? IBM shop? Oracle shop?&quot; &quot;Ummm...we are a huge company we have everything.&quot; &quot;Well if you are more of a IBM shop you should go with them. If you are more of a Oracle shop you should go with them.&quot; That was the extent of a 30 minute conversation. True story.</div><br /><div>Of course, the one value proposition of the Big Analyst Firms is that they supposedly can tell you what everyone else is supposedly doing. There is some value in this I grant you. And it does make for happy customers because even when you force your customers to change, you can say &quot;Well geez, I know its hard but the Big Analyst Firm says that everyone is doing it.&quot; But is this security improvement?</div><br /><div>Back in 2004, I went to a great security conference, it was Information Security Decisions (<a href="http://infosecurityconference.techtarget.com/conference/index.html">they are back in Chicago next week</a>). It was in Chicago, downtown on the river. Tom Davern even took us all out on a boat for lunch one day. Anyway, there was one truly great talk there. It wasn&#39;t Fred Cohen debating <a href="http://cigital.com/justiceleague/">Gary McGraw</a> on application security which was outstanding (in which Fred uttered the memorable line &quot;I agree with Gary everywhere he agrees with me.&quot; (Gary won the debate, his best line - &quot;We know how to win the software security war, but we don&#39;t know how to manage the peace&quot; still the problem today actually)) It wasn&#39;t Pete Lindstrom showing his security metrics framework (which is still a great starting point). it wasn&#39;t Dan Geer&#39;s fireside chat.</div><br /><div>The truly great talk, though, was by the now departed <a href="http://1raindrop.typepad.com/1_raindrop/2007/02/thinking_about_.html">Robert Garigue</a>. It was called &quot;Its the End of the CISO as I Know It, (And I Feel Fine).&quot; The whole end to end talk was wonderful, there are several things in there that I still use every single day like the separate security models for Infostructure and Infrastructure but the point I want to talk about is the CISO role.</div><br /><div>Garigue talked about the two most prevalent CISO models - the jester and the bad cop. The jester CISO</div><br /><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; ">Sees a lot</span><br /><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; ">Can tell the king he has no clothes</span><br /><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; ">Can tell the king he really is ugly</span><br /><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; ">Does not get killed by the king</span><br /><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; ">Nice to have around but…how much security improvement comes from this ?</span></p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px;"><br /></span></p><div><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px;">The jester has happy customers! At least for awhile.</span></div><div><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px;">Again I grant you bad cop is not the way to go either (and while this already long post could read harsh on John Pescatore&#39;s pithy summary, I give him a lot of points for saying that security needs to be customer conscious).</span></div><div><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px;">We have all seen bad cop CISOs who</span></div><div><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px;"><br /></span></div><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; ">Changes happened faster that he was able to move</span><br /><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; ">Did not read the signs</span><br /><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; ">Good intentions went unfulfilled</span><br /><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; ">A brutal way to ending a promising career</span><br /><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; ">Sad to have around but…how much security improvement comes from this ?</span></p></blockquote><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px;"><br /></span></p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px;"></span></p><p style="margin-top: 10px; margin-bottom: 10px; text-align: left; ">Obviously these models of CISOs are not solving our information security problems. Instead Dr. Garigue points us to Charlemagne as a better model</p><blockquote style="margin-top: 10px; margin-bottom: 10px; "><p>King of the Franks and Holy Roman Emperor; conqueror of the Lombards and Saxons (742-814) - reunited much of Europe after the Dark Ages.</p><p style="margin-top: 10px; margin-bottom: 10px; text-align: left; ">He set up other schools, opening them to peasant boys as well as nobles. Charlemagne never stopped studying. He brought an English monk, Alcuin, and other scholars to his court - encouraging the development of a standard script.</p><p style="margin-top: 10px; margin-bottom: 10px; text-align: left; ">He set up money standards to encourage commerce, tried to build a Rhine-Danube canal, and urged better farming methods. He especially worked to spread education and Christianity in every class of people.</p><p style="margin-top: 10px; margin-bottom: 10px; text-align: left; ">He relied on Counts, Margraves and Missi Domini to help him.</p><p style="margin-top: 10px; margin-bottom: 10px; text-align: left; ">Margraves - Guard the frontier districts of the empire. Margraves retained, within their own jurisdictions, the authority of dukes in the feudal arm of the empire.</p><p style="margin-top: 10px; margin-bottom: 10px; text-align: left; ">Missi Domini - Messengers of the King.</p></blockquote><p style="margin-top: 10px; margin-bottom: 10px; text-align: left; "></p><p style="margin-top: 10px; margin-bottom: 10px; text-align: left; ">This is the way forward! Find software security champions in the architecture and development groups,help them understand the real security issues. They will find solutions you have not thought of. Same for DBAs, same for business analysts even. Its all about beating the bushes, education, and decentralizing security services. Specifically, he points out this important mandate for IT security</p><p></p><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; ">Knowledge of risky things is of strategic value</span></p></blockquote><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; ">How to know today tomorrow’s unknown ?</span><br /><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; ">How to structure information security processes in an organization so as to identify and address the NEXT categories of risks ?</span></p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px;"></span></p><p style="margin-top: 10px; margin-bottom: 10px; text-align: left; ">To me this is our mandate and measure of effectiveness. Empower our customers, educate, and create business value. If I am a CISO &#0160;I don&#39;t want 20 people reporting to me who do firewall ruleset changes. I want one champion in 20 different groups - development teams, architects, DBAs, business analysts.</p><p style="margin-top: 10px; margin-bottom: 10px; text-align: left; ">A concrete example, infosec can continue to go along with the herd and follow the &quot;what everyone else is doing architecture&quot; meanwhile developers are connecting <span style="font-style: italic;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">every single thing</span></span> in your business to the Web. I have been doing integration and new technology projects for a long time, and let me tell you - Change does not always create happy customers in the short run. But the chart below shows that information security is maybe more concerned with not causing waves rather than adapting.</p><p style="margin-top: 10px; margin-bottom: 10px; text-align: left; "></p>
<div><a href="http://1raindrop.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/05/19/innovatecompare_2.png"><img alt="Innovatecompare_2" border="0" height="167" src="http://1raindrop.typepad.com/1_raindrop/images/2008/05/19/innovatecompare_2.png" title="Innovatecompare_2" width="300" /></a><p></p></div><div>How long can developers evolve, connect everything and security people not change anything? Herb Stein said, &quot;things that can&#39;t go on forever, don&#39;t. &quot;At some point these chickens are coming home to roost, there is a yawning gap between rapidly evolution connecting the enterprise and the 13 year old and counting security architecture that &quot;Everyone else is using&quot; and when those chicken come home to roost you may not have happy customers then. Here is my 12 words:</div><br /><p></p><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span style="color: #333333; font-family: Arial; font-size: 14px; line-height: 17px; ">The best security program is at the business with sustainable competitive advantage.</span></p></blockquote>]]></content:encoded>
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      <title><![CDATA[Wakeup Call for Risk Management]]></title>
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<p>With the crisis in financial markets still unfolding, it is important to draw what lessons we can from the experience. Since the roots of the crisis lie in a monumental failure of risk management, it’s important to understand more about what happened, and then draw some parallels to our business risk management and&nbsp; IT risk management situations.</p>

<p>The risk management failure in the housing market and on Wall Street had multiple interdependent dimensions:</p>

<ul><li><strong>Mortgage lenders abandoned long standing prudent loan practices</strong>. They made too many loans that buyers might not be able to repay. Exotic instruments like ARMs, option ARMs, and interest only loans proliferated. In many cases, all pretense of lending standards were abandoned, so-called “liar loans” approved.</li>

<li><strong>Capital was grossly over-leveraged</strong>. Mortgage lenders and other financial services packaged loans into securities, which they sold to raise capital to support more lending. Real capital reserve requirements to back loans were reduced. Of course, if borrowers could not repay loans, all or parts of the derivative securities would become worthless.</li>

<li><strong>Risk was aggregated at Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, and mortgage loan insurance companies</strong>. These companies bought or insured some mortgage loans, providing something of a backstop should loans fail. Government sponsored enterprises (GSEs) Fannie and Freddie in turn became over-leveraged and securities that they sold were in turn repackaged in the murky brew of mortgage-backed securities called collateralized debt obligations (CDOs) and other exotic instruments returning generous yields. </li>

<li><strong>Non-Caveat Emptor.</strong> Institutional wealth funds and financial services firms who should have known better bought securities that had been deliberately structured to obfuscate risk. They bought securities they didn’t understand with buried tranches of toxic subprime loans..</li></ul>

<p>It was a great Ponzi scheme – one that kept working as long as housing prices were going up; the recipients of subprime loans could always flip that house to the next buyer. Everyone made money. As Chuck Prince of Citigroup famously put it during <a href="http://search.ft.com/ftArticle?sortBy=gadatearticle&amp;queryText=chuck+prince+dancing&amp;y=0&amp;aje=true&amp;x=0&amp;id=070710000610&amp;ct=0&amp;page=6&amp;nclick_check=1">a July, 2007 interview</a>: “So long as the music is playing, you’ve got to keep dancing. We’re still dancing.” But one month later, the music stopped. Since then, Citigroup and other financial institutions have taken massive writeoffs with more to come. Wall Street titans like Bear Sterns, Lehman Brothers, Merrill Lynch, and AIG have fallen or been bought out.</p>

<p>What can we learn from this risk management debacle?</p>

<p>As business risk managers and investors, we should ask questions like these:</p>

<ul><li><strong>Does the executive incentive structure of the company encourage managers to dance around risk?</strong> Many Wall Street firms paid senior managers 5 times their salary in bonuses tied to annual growth alone.</li>

<li><strong>Is the company over-leveraged?</strong> Is it borrowing too much money and betting it on ventures with uncertain outcomes?</li>

<li><strong>Are financial models used for risk management realistic?</strong> Earlier, I described the mortgage market of the past few years as a Ponzi scheme, where risk management models must have assumed prices would keep rising. Unlike the dotcom boom whose demise many predicted, very few in the industry foresaw the sharp declines to come in housing prices and sales volumes. Historically, the U.S. housing market has been a steadily rising one, but on the other hand the 2000s saw unprecedented rates of price increases. In reality, what goes up must come down. </li>

<li><strong>Has your company’s risk council ever performed worst case scenario analysis and built adequate reserves?</strong> In the days before economics emerged as a would-be “hard” deterministic science, business leaders may have been more cautious, more aware of and more accepting of uncertainty. Events like the Great Tulip Bubble came once in decades or centuries – not every few years. Note that legendary investor George Soros has proposed a Theory of Reflexivity that, if true, helps explain the recent extremes of boom and bust cycles. This theory holds that market participants model market behaviors based on self-interest, and for a time, their manipulations change the reality of the market – until gravitational forces bring it back to earth. Has the music of ephemeral success played to the backbeat of deterministic-sounding economic models gone to your heads and infected your risk management models? </li>

<li><strong>Are cost cutting efforts pursued blindly?</strong> Outsourcing and other forays into treacherous global waters may be giving away the crown jewels. Smart companies cut costs, but they do it in smart ways. Smart companies think like intelligence agencies as they parcel out work to different partners with varying levels of dependability, and they check on those partners.</li></ul>

<p>Risk management failures can also occur at the more technical level of IT security. As IT risk managers, we might ask questions like these:</p>

<ul><li><strong>Are the accounting and financial systems your IT department supports under adequate control?</strong> As Fred Cohen wrote in <a href="http://www.burtongroup.com/Client/Research/Document.aspx?cid=750">one of our documents</a>: “Many companies use computers to manage financial systems, and despite the Sarbanes-Oxley Act (SOX) claims about accounts being properly kept, there are many attacks on financial systems that remain. For example, most of the largest financial systems in the world running on common financial databases do not use <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-entry_bookkeeping">double-entry bookkeeping</a> and are thus susceptible to all manner of frauds by insiders.” We find it troubling that a prudent control dating back to the 12th century is going out of style in the name of convenience and cost cutting. Kind of like credit checking became anachronistic during the housing bubble, eh?</li>

<li><strong>Is the “separation” in your “separation of duty” (SoD) for real?</strong> Sure the SOX auditors are looking for SoD, and maybe you have different administrators with different accounts maintaining different systems or functions. But when they say Western civilization may be but one weak password from collapse they’re not lying. Look what happened to Sarah Palin’s email account! Weak and straggly SoD is a problem across all critical IT systems where deperimiterization and server consolidation may be bringing down protective barriers, identity management is weak, and strong process controls (e.g., where two people must sign on, one perform a critical operation such as backbone router reconfiguration, and the second observe) abandoned in the name of expediency. </li>

<li><strong>Are risks being aggregated to unacceptable levels in centralized control systems?</strong> There are many ways that risks aggregate within enterprise IT infrastructures as we pursue automation and cost cutting. Network risks aggregate when centralized domain name system control is implemented. Application risks aggregate when common infrastructure is shared among applications. And enterprises aggregate platform risks when they use low-assurance endpoints, authentication, and directory systems with single sign-on to access large numbers of resources and don’t separate high consequence systems. </li>

<li><strong>Non-caveat emptor:</strong> Has IT security really done the worst case consequence analysis, attack graphs, and vulnerability analysis to know when putting more eggs in a supposedly stronger basket aggregates risks to an unacceptable level? Or are you depending only on vendor claims about some black box appliance equivalent of a risk-obfuscated CDO security? Caveat emptor (buyer beware) again! (The good news is we’ll keep talking about promoting vendor and product rating systems so you don’t have to do all the detailed product analysis yourself, but that’s another post.)</li></ul>

<p>There are many parallels between the monumental risk management failure in the financial markets, and the probable weaknesses in our day to day business risk management and IT risk management. Abandonment of prudent practices for profit; excessive leverage and centralization; ill-constructed risk analysis models; risk obfuscation; and a failure of caveat emptor seem to be common problems. Please take this as a wakeup call to sharpen up the risk management thinking, process, and execution.</p></div>
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<p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px Helvetica"></p><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px Helvetica">12:15pm-1:30pm - In-room lunch, the final 30 minutes jointly from<span style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">&#0160;</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px Helvetica">•Jennifer Bayuk : &quot;Comparing Metrics Designed for Risk-Management with Metrics&#0160;</p>
<p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px Helvetica">Designed for Security&quot;<span style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">&#0160;</span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px Helvetica"></p><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px Helvetica">1:30pm-3:00pm - Scoring results and methods<span style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">&#0160;</span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px Helvetica">•Karen Scarfone : &quot;Evidence-Based, Good Enough, &amp; Open&quot;&#0160;</p>
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<p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px Helvetica">•Caroline Wong : &quot;eBay’sMetrics Program&quot;&#0160;</p>
<p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px Helvetica">•Clint Kreitner : &quot;CIS’ Metrics Program&quot;&#0160;</p>
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<p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px Helvetica">•Sandeep Bhatt : &quot;Metrics-Based Firewall Management&quot;&#0160;</p>
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      <title><![CDATA[What do you think of Zemanta?]]></title>
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      <description><![CDATA[I am such a nerd/geek (for a good discussion on what the difference is, check out Brad Feld's article here ), that I read this post in Fred Wilson's blog on Zemanta and had to check it out for myself....]]></description>
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<div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><p>I am such a nerd/geek (for a good discussion on what the difference is, check out Brad Feld's article <a href="http://www.feld.com/blog/archives/2008/05/nerd_or_geek.html">here</a>), that I read this post in <a href="http://avc.blogs.com/a_vc/2008/06/trying-zemanta.html">Fred Wilson's blog</a> on <a href="http://www.zemanta.com/">Zemanta</a> and had to check it out for myself. I am using it on this post and the <a href="http://www.stillsecureafteralltheseyears.com/ashimmy/2008/06/t-mobile-wants.html">previous one on Starbucks</a> being sued by <a class="zem_slink" title="T-Mobile" href="http://www.t-mobile.net/" rel="homepage">T-Mobile</a>. </p>

<p>So far I am really impressed with how <a class="zem_slink" title="Zemanta ltd." href="http://www.zemanta.com/" rel="homepage">Zemanta</a> works. It gives you a whole bunch of content related that you can use on your blog.&nbsp; Pictures, related articles, links and tags. It also makes it easy to reblog.&nbsp; It works right in my <a class="zem_slink" title="TypePad" href="/" rel="homepage">Typepad</a> blog editor.&nbsp; The only thing I can think of is that I would like to see it work in <a class="zem_slink" title="Microsoft Windows" href="http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/default.mspx" rel="homepage">Windows</a> LiveWriter and Scribefire, the two blog editor that I use for most of my stuff.&nbsp; But <a class="zem_slink" title="Zemanta ltd." href="http://www.zemanta.com/" rel="homepage">Zemanta</a> is good enough that I don't mind using the <a class="zem_slink" title="TypePad" href="/" rel="homepage">Typepad</a> editor to get this functionality!</p>

<p>So what do you think?&nbsp; It is more noise or does it add value?&nbsp; Leave a comment and let me know</p>

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      <description><![CDATA[I am such a nerd/geek (for a good discussion on what the difference is, check out Brad Felds article here ), that I read this post in Fred Wilson's blog on Zemanta and had to check it out for myself....]]></description>
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<div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><p>I am such a nerd/geek (for a good discussion on what the difference is, check out Brad Felds article <a href="http://www.feld.com/blog/archives/2008/05/nerd_or_geek.html">here</a>), that I read this post in <a href="http://avc.blogs.com/a_vc/2008/06/trying-zemanta.html">Fred Wilson's blog</a> on <a href="http://www.zemanta.com/">Zemanta</a> and had to check it out for myself. I am using it on this post and the <a href="http://www.stillsecureafteralltheseyears.com/ashimmy/2008/06/t-mobile-wants.html">previous one on Starbucks</a> being sued by <a class="zem_slink" title="T-Mobile" href="http://www.t-mobile.net/" rel="homepage">T-Mobile</a>. </p>

<p>So far I am really impressed with how <a class="zem_slink" title="Zemanta ltd." href="http://www.zemanta.com/" rel="homepage">Zemanta</a> works. It gives you a whole bunch of content related that you can use on your blog.&nbsp; Pictures, related articles, links and tags. It also makes it easy to reblog.&nbsp; It works right in my <a class="zem_slink" title="TypePad" href="/" rel="homepage">Typepad</a> blog editor.&nbsp; The only thing I can think of is that I would like to see it work in <a class="zem_slink" title="Microsoft Windows" href="http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/default.mspx" rel="homepage">Windows</a> LiveWriter and Sribefire, the two blog editor that I use for most of my stuff.&nbsp; But <a class="zem_slink" title="Zemanta ltd." href="http://www.zemanta.com/" rel="homepage">Zemanta</a> is good enough that I don't mind using the <a class="zem_slink" title="TypePad" href="/" rel="homepage">Typepad</a> editor to get this functionality!</p>

<p>So what do you think?&nbsp; It is more noise or does it add value?&nbsp; Leave a comment and let me know</p>

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<li class="zemanta-article-ul-li"><a title="Open in new window" href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/zementa_brings_a_semantic_layer_to_blogs.php">Zementa Brings a Semantic Layer to Your Blog</a> [via Zemanta]</li>

<li class="zemanta-article-ul-li"><a title="Open in new window" href="http://www.alwaysbcmom.com/2008/05/have-you-tried-zemanta.html">Have You Tried Zemanta?</a> [via Zemanta]</li></ul></fieldset> <div class="zemanta-pixie" style="MARGIN-TOP: 10px; HEIGHT: 15px"><a class="zemanta-pixie-a" title="Zemified by Zemanta" href="http://reblog.zemanta.com/zemified/98f5c43e-ae72-429c-b219-12708aceef17/"><img class="zemanta-pixie-img" alt="Zemanta Pixie" src="http://img.zemanta.com/reblog_a.png?x-id=98f5c43e-ae72-429c-b219-12708aceef17" style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; BORDER-TOP: medium none; FLOAT: right; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none" /></a></div></div>

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      <description><![CDATA[Fred Wilson has an interesting blog up regarding the new Google Health service. Fred filled out his personal medical information and was disappointed that he was not able to publish this data and make...]]></description>
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<div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><p><a href="http://avc.blogs.com/a_vc/2008/05/making-my-perso.html" target="_blank">Fred Wilson has an interesting blog</a> up regarding the new <a href="https://www.google.com/health/" target="_blank">Google Health</a> service. Fred filled out his personal medical information and was disappointed that he was not able to publish this data and make it public.&nbsp; Fred would like to have a sidebar widget for his blog with his health profile.&nbsp; Many people wrote to Fred telling him why Google does not do this.&nbsp; Many of them centered on the fact that insurance companies would use this information against you to deny or limit your coverage.&nbsp; Some took shots at Fred's socio-economic status saying that he didn't care if the insurance companies used it against him because he could afford to pay whatever he had to.&nbsp; Fred replies that he thinks withholding or being less than open about health issues to insurance companies, investors, etc. is problematic and in a perfect world insurance companies should not be able to use this against us. In fact Fred says:</p><blockquote><p><em>Wouldn't we all be better off with an insurance system that wasn't able to discriminate between people based on pre-existing conditions? Wouldn't we be better off if we came together to insure everyone? Wouldn't we be better off if we knew everyone's medical conditions and what treatments worked and what did not? Wouldn't we be better off if we could search for others with the same conditions to share our experiences?</em></p></blockquote><p>I don't believe Fred feels this way because of his socio-economic status. I think Fred thinks like this because he is I assume in good health.&nbsp; I wonder if Fred were suffering from some medical condition, if his views on this would change.&nbsp; This reminds me of the &quot;nothing to hide&quot; argument that some use to justify the government trampling on our privacy rights.&nbsp; If you have nothing to hide, what do you care.&nbsp; I care because it is wrong.&nbsp; I care about not making health records public because it is wrong.&nbsp; We don't live in a perfect world.&nbsp; Even taking Hillary or Obama's health plans into account, we live in a world where insurance companies can discriminate against those with pre-existing conditions for the foreseeable future.&nbsp; Think about if only healthy people published their records, what would that say about people who did not publish their records?</p>

<p>Fred's point about searching for others with the same condition is fine, if they wanted to be found. It is inherently a persons right not to be found.&nbsp; In fact today if you want to share with a person who shares a medical condition with you, you can search and usually find a group and on line community of people. What is nice is some of these people can share in these groups without revealing their identity.&nbsp; It is this ability to remain anonymous that I think make these types of communities successful. </p>

<p>Fred recognizes that not everyone would want to share their records. I say once we start dividing society by those who do and don't we really already have imposed a penalty on those who cherish their privacy.</p></div>

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      <title><![CDATA[Its Mothers Day, be thankful you have a mom to call - so do it.]]></title>
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      <description><![CDATA[Mothers Day is always a tough one for me. My mom passed away 25 years ago and though time has passed to cover up a never healed wound, every Mothers Day the scab is torn off a bit and the regret and...]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mothers Day is always a tough one for me. My mom passed away 25 years ago and though time has passed to cover up a never healed wound, every Mothers Day the scab is torn off a bit and the regret and pain ooze through. Having our kids celebrate Mothers Day with my wife has made it better, but nothing takes the place of your own Mom. Fred Wilson reminded me of that today with <a href="http://avc.blogs.com/a_vc/2008/05/call-your-mothe.html">this post</a> about a <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/11/opinion/11friedman.html?_r=1&amp;oref=slogin">Tom Friedman piece</a> in the NY Times today. <br><br>Tom just lost his mom last year after a long bout with dementia it seems. She was 89. Tom reflects on her remarkable life and how she influenced him to be what he is. Can any of us say any differently? Weren't all of our Moms special to each of us. Isn't so much of the people we are today directly related to that woman who raised and nourished us? Of course. So on this day honoring Mothers everywhere, if you are lucky enough to have your Mom available to thank, do so and don't miss the chance because you never know when you might not be able to.<br><br>Happy Mothers Day Bonnie and to all of you mothers everywhere!</p>
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      <source url="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/StillsecureAfterAllTheseYears/~3/288207084/its-mothers-day.html">Its Mothers Day, be thankful you have a mom to call - so do it.</source>
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      <title><![CDATA[Microsoft buys Xobni?]]></title>
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      <description><![CDATA[Back in February I wrote about how much I liked Xobni for Outlook. Now Fred Wilson reports thats Microsoft has bought Xobni. Fred is linking to this Techcrunch article on it. Though it is still...]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back in February <a href="http://www.stillsecureafteralltheseyears.com/ashimmy/2008/02/xobni-but-can-i.html">I wrote</a> about how much I liked Xobni for Outlook. Now <a href="http://avc.blogs.com/a_vc/2008/04/xobni-is-inbox.html">Fred Wilson reports</a> thats Microsoft has bought Xobni. Fred is linking to this <a href="http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/20/microsoft-signs-letter-of-intent-to-acquire-xobni/">Techcrunch article</a> on it. Though it is still sketchy at this point, I think it would be a great pick up for Microsoft. After using it for a few months, I find it very useful. I think picking it up now, while still in beta is a cheap deal for Microsoft and will save them a ton of money having to buy it later!<br><br>Congrats to the team at Xobni for building a product that had obvious appeal.<br><br><a href="http://www.stillsecureafteralltheseyears.com/ashimmy/2008/02/xobni-but-can-i.html"><br></a></p>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 00:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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      <title><![CDATA[Breach affects "ever student enrolled at Joliet West High School"]]></title>
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      <description><![CDATA[Technorati Tag: Security Breach

Date Reported
4/10/08

Organization
Joliet Township High Schools District 204

Contractor/Consultant/Branch
Joliet West High School

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<img src="http://breachblog.com/images/95781-88451/jolietwest.jpg" align="right" height="185" width="197"><span style="font-weight: bold;">Date Reported: </span><br>4/10/08<br><br><span style="font-weight: bold;">Organization: </span><br><a href="http://www.jths.org/index.asp">Joliet Township High Schools District 204</a> <br><br><span style="font-weight: bold;">Contractor/Consultant/Branch:</span><br><a href="http://www.jths.org/jths/schools/west/index.asp">Joliet West High School</a> <br><br><span style="font-weight: bold;">Victims:</span><br>Students<br><br><span style="font-weight: bold;">Number Affected:</span><br>"every student enrolled at Joliet West High School"*<br><br><font size="1">*According to the <a href="http://www.jths.org/jths/district/report_card/2007_West_Campus_Report_Card%5B1%5D.pdf">Joliet West High School Report Card</a> there were 2,584 students enrolled in 2007</font><br><br><span style="font-weight: bold;">Types of Data:</span><br>Names and Social Security numbers<br><br><span style="font-weight: bold;">Breach Description:</span><br>"JOLIET -- Police say a student using a school computer last month was able to access personal information about every student enrolled at Joliet West High School."<br><br><span style="font-weight: bold;">Reference URL:</span><br><a href="http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/heraldnews/news/887530,4_1_JO10_HACK_S1.article">The Herald News</a> <br><br><span style="font-weight: bold;">Report Credit:</span><br>Brian Stanley, The Herald News<br><br><span style="font-weight: bold;">Response:</span><br>From the online source cited above:<br><br>JOLIET -- Police say a student using a school computer last month was able to access personal information about every student enrolled at Joliet West High School.<br><br>The student allegedly downloaded a list of names and Social Security numbers to his iPod on March 7, according to reports.<br><br>Police Chief Fred Hayes said the school learned George C. Janecek, 18, had gotten the information after he showed it to other students who notified a teacher that day.<br><br>"Apparently, Janecek, who is in the school's ROTC program, has authorized access to a computer at the school to work on the ROTC Web site," said Hayes. "But he does not have authorized access to student data."<br><span style="font-style: italic;">[Evan] I wonder.&nbsp; I doubt that Mr. Janacek circumvented (or some people call it "hacked") the systems to access the information.&nbsp; He may not have had explicit access, meaning nobody told him specifically that he is authorized to access the personal information, but I am guessing that he was "authorized", meaning that his user account was allowed access (due to process deficiencies, poor information security governance, whatever). </span><br><br>The school conducted an internal investigation which concluded March 13 when they notified Joliet police of the breach.<br><br>"We conducted an investigation that day and arrested Janecek on a misdemeanor charge of computer tampering," Hayes said.<br><br>Police seized the computer and iPod he reportedly used.<br><br>"Our investigation determined none of the data was used or disseminated," Hayes said.<br><span style="font-style: italic;">[Evan] Really?&nbsp; How would the school's investigation determine this?&nbsp; Admittedly I have never forensically examined an iPod before, but I wonder how you could determine that the information was not transferred or disseminated elsewhere.&nbsp; Mr. Janacek must have been pretty proud of his conquest if he was bragging about it to other students.</span><br><br>School district spokeswoman Kristine Schlismann said the issue is a police matter.<br><span style="font-style: italic;">[Evan] The singular issue in dealing with Mr. Janecek and his actions may be a police matter, but the school district should not discount the other issues that may exist around their information security program (if it exists).</span><br><br>"Investigators have assured us that there is no reason to believe that any accessed information was communicated to third parties," she said. "In compliance with the Illinois Personal Information Protection Act, a letter will be sent to any person whose personal information may have been obtained."<br><br><span style="font-weight: bold;">Commentary:</span><br>I assume that there are many many schools across the nation that do not adequately secure personal information.&nbsp; I am surprised that we don't hear about more breaches like this one.&nbsp; Assuming that they do occur, may be the schools are not even aware. <br><br><span style="font-weight: bold;">Past Breaches:</span><br>Unknown<br><br>
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      <title><![CDATA[Author: The Grand Fantasies That Ruined National Security]]></title>
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      <description><![CDATA[Fred Kaplan, author of Daydream Believers , talks about the proponents of networked war, missile defense and other &quot;grand ideas&quot; that &quot;wrecked American...]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[Fred Kaplan, author of <cite>Daydream Believers</cite>, talks about the proponents of  networked war, missile defense and other "grand ideas" that "wrecked American
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      <source url="http://feeds.wired.com/~r/wired/politics/security/~3/255702315/click.phdo">Author: The Grand Fantasies That Ruined National Security</source>
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