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    <pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 09:18:59 +0000</pubDate>
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      <title><![CDATA[Biometric Security for Financial Meltdown Solutions]]></title>
      <link>http://securityratty.com/article/fc1a4a24665bdbf38bec6e4f3b77516a</link>
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      <description><![CDATA[Wall Street was dominated by 5 major investment banking firms at the beginning of 2008. Nine months later, only 2 of these investment banking firms remain. This is probably the worst financial...]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[Wall Street was dominated by 5 major investment banking firms at the beginning of 2008. Nine months later, only 2 of these investment banking firms remain. This is probably the worst financial turmoil...]]></content:encoded>
      <pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 06:43:28 +0000</pubDate>
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      <source url="http://www.net-security.org/article.php?id=1180">Biometric Security for Financial Meltdown Solutions</source>
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      <title><![CDATA[Fed Blotter: Citibank Worker Allegedly Plunders Customer Accounts]]></title>
      <link>http://securityratty.com/article/9137fd6e30be44b39748d16fc8b80500</link>
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      <description><![CDATA[A spate of federal indictments suggests bank and investment insiders are finding their own solutions to the U.S. financial...]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[A spate of federal indictments suggests bank and investment insiders are finding their own solutions to the U.S. financial crisis.<br style="clear: both;"/>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 14:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
      <category domain="http://securityratty.com/tag/financial crisis">financial crisis</category>
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      <source url="http://feeds.wired.com/~r/wired/politics/security/~3/397499962/fed-blotter-cit.html">Fed Blotter: Citibank Worker Allegedly Plunders Customer Accounts</source>
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      <title><![CDATA[The Audacity of Capital Markets]]></title>
      <link>http://securityratty.com/article/850f85c1d4f79f75ab94faca2b325146</link>
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      <description><![CDATA[It it fairly well established that overt risk tasking, greed and corporate arrogance by financial services companies have destroyed the real estate market and crippled the global economy. Countless...]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It it fairly well established that overt risk tasking, greed and corporate arrogance by financial services companies have destroyed the real estate market and crippled the global economy.    Countless millions of folks have lost their homes and life savings.  This corporate arrogance and greed was like a &#8220;greed virus,&#8221; spreading across the world like a plague.</p>
<p>A similar arrogance is happening in CEP-land, where, it seems, each and every financial services event processing application is now a &#8220;CEP application&#8221; just because someone in capital markets puts &#8220;CEP&#8221; in the same paragraph.     I find it ridiculous that the same market of folks who have helped destroy the global economy are now the world&#8217;s self-proclaimed authorities on complex event processing.  Amazing, if you really think about it, isn&#8217;t it?</p>
<p>I read many posts these days by folks in the capital markets trading world, claiming their message routing application is &#8220;CEP,&#8221; or their algo trading application is &#8220;CEP,&#8221;  - feeds and speed, typical of what &#8220;turns on&#8221; the financial services folks.   As an editorial note: I recall when I worked for a software company, folks on the same team who worked on Wall Street would look down on folks with many years of IT experience outside of financial services.   Some would say &#8220;he is only a security guy&#8221; in their attempt to put down anyone who does not have trading floor IT experience on their resume.    I found it all quite ridiculous and foolish.</p>
<p>My resume, for what it is worth, has a number of financial services companies, including either assessing, architecting or building large scale security systems for S.W.I.F.T, Chase or SBC.   This experience does not seem to &#8220;count&#8221; with the trading floor folks, since security is more about getting things right, not just supporting a form of gaming or gambling with other peoples money, with more feeds and speeds the better.</p>
<p>Of late, as I have watched the CEP/EP space evolve,  and unfortunately, I see a similar type of &#8220;capital markets virus&#8221; spreading into CEP-land.   Folks on the trading side of financial services seem to think that whatever they say or do is right, and whatever others outside of the trading side do is wrong.  These folks are quick to ridicule others who have far more experience than they do, outside of the trading floor of capital markets.</p>
<blockquote><p>After all, mostly what they do on the trading side is route orders -  and if a little old lady in a small town in Iowa loses her life savings because of a bad investment decision, it means little to the folks on the trading floor, the market folks are into feeds and speed - just keep the beast alive.  Place your bet on this market or that one!   Away we go, faster and faster!!!!</p></blockquote>
<p>I am sometimes a little sad to observe the same audacity in the CEP world.  Instead of focusing on the hard complex problems that require accuracy, the original set of problems defined when the phrase &#8220;complex event processing&#8221; was minted, the capital market folks have hijacked the term for their marketing purposes in algo trading and order managment systems.  These same people ridicule others who are working to solve the (originally stated) complex event processing problems, problems the capital market traders seemingly cannot understand, since they have never worked on complex network or security management problems.</p>
<p>Nevermind, that these &#8220;ultra low latency&#8221; systems cannot accurately detect a complex money laundering scheme or an elaborate fraud.   Nevermind that these &#8220;CEP engines&#8221; cannot accuracy insure that Average Joe does not lose his hard earned money in a fraud scheme.</p>
<p>I have no problem with folks in capital markets using the term CEP, but they should not ridicule those in technical areas that are not focused on keeping the &#8220;trading beast&#8221; alive so people can lose their life savings in a blink of an eye; but instead focused on solving complex problems such as the class of problems called out when the three letter acronym &#8220;CEP&#8221; was created.</p>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 07:18:37 +0000</pubDate>
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      <source url="http://www.thecepblog.com/2008/09/19/the-audacity-of-capital-markets/">The Audacity of Capital Markets</source>
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      <title><![CDATA[Interop NY: IT Roundtable]]></title>
      <link>http://securityratty.com/article/4137ad5ff76308605c9861b27c7d0404</link>
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      <description><![CDATA[This session is a bit different than the usual sessions at Interop. It provides insights from three CIOs in three different industries
Moderator: Jim Metzler, Vice President, Ashton, Metzler &amp;...]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This session is a bit different than the usual sessions at Interop. It provides insights from three CIOs in three different industries.</p>
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<li>Moderator: Jim Metzler, Vice President, Ashton, Metzler &amp; Associates</li>
<li>Rowan Snyder, CIO, KPMG</li>
<li>David Michael, CIO, United Business Media Group</li>
<li>Joanna Young, Chief Information Officer, Corporate Information Systems &amp; Enterprise Services, Liberty Mutual</li>
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<p><strong>Jim: Is the CIO a technical job anymore? For example, inside Liberty there are business projects with an IT component.</strong></p>
<p><strong>Joanna:</strong> We are organized to partner with internal business clients or vendors who provide objectives and business requirements. We strive to figure out the smallest amount of an IT investment we can make to get this to work.</p>
<p><strong>Rowan:</strong> We have both. Part of the dilemma is that the thing that sells the best is fear. I don&#8217;t want to use that to get business.</p>
<p><strong>Joanna:</strong> One good example is security from an application perspective. It&#8217;s hard to talk about security investments in business terms. We put it into terms like &#8220;this is what it will cost us if we DON&#8217;T do this.&#8221; For example, a solution for spam required us to do research into what it was costing us overall. Once we put it together, the business was all for it. You have to put your business hat on and think &#8220;how can I make this important for a businessperson?&#8221; If you can&#8217;t, you may need to ask yourself why you&#8217;re pushing services on them that they may not need.</p>
<p><strong>Jim: Can you give us insight into business-IT alignment? What about governance?</strong></p>
<p><strong>Rowan:</strong> Governance is the hardest part of IT. It&#8217;s not like the technology is easy. If it&#8217;s a business project with an IT component, I don&#8217;t usually get involved. It comes down to overall budget. The infrastructure we own and let people know exactly what it will cost to do it. We are a distributed IT firm, there are multiple groups. This is the most distributed and risk-prone organization I&#8217;ve worked in. It can be difficult for the business to exert control. It demonstrates risk, in security, compliance, methodologies, etc.</p>
<p><strong>Joanna:</strong> Governance has become a word that nobody wants to use. It suddenly implies that IT is the holder of all the money and they are the ones that get to decide. We stopped using that word and position IT as a strategic business partner.</p>
<p><strong>David:</strong> We have a highly decentralized IT set-up. We have about 600 globally and around 40 in the headquarters. We have 10 CIOs for each division, and within each division it is decentralized. We try to run each unit as autonomous. This is a close alignment with IT and business. However, then the problem of how do you have commonality between divisions and collaboration?</p>
<p><strong>Jim: How can you minimize risk in distributed environment using standards and procedures?</strong></p>
<p><strong>David:</strong> The reality is it can be impractical for an organization. You end up with a patchwork of platforms and technologies. We have to accept that we&#8217;ll have multiple solutions. We can attempt to push a standard, but overall have a much more relaxed approach to manage everything. There is a lot of equality between divisions in what they can choose to purchase.</p>
<p><strong>Joanna:</strong> Standards are easier to apply the further down the staff you are. The most important thing with any of this is to understand why you are making the decisions. If there is a process and pros and cons are identified, there is a clear record of why decisions were made.</p>
<p><strong>Audience Poll: Everyone raised their hand that MORE standards were needed</strong>.</p>
<p><strong>Audience Question: Are there inefficiencies in the data center in terms of energy and green IT? What are you doing about it?</strong></p>
<p><strong>Joanna:</strong> Everyone focuses on cars for carbon footprints. But, it&#8217;s really buildings&#8230;and then data centers. The data center has the same importance as any other efficiency. They need to be running as cheaply as possible. Corporations have a responsibility to make sure they are energy efficient.</p>
<p><strong>Rowan:</strong> We recently did a carbon footprint analysis, and found that half of carbon comes from electricity, with half of that from the data center.</p>
<p><strong>David:</strong> Every company does have a responsibility to look at its carbon emission globally. Consider international travel, flying, etc. As much as possible, we are not building data centers. We are using other people&#8217;s data centers in an effort to get out of the data center business.</p>
<p><strong>Audience Question: How do you balance the good from standards with agile development and possible roadblocks?</strong></p>
<p><strong>Joanna:</strong> Luckily agile development is under the CIO&#8217;s control. You can see the lifecycle and savings that occur. When I look, I check what the standards are that I&#8217;m measuring by.</p>
<p><strong>Jim: Does web 2.0 have any business meaning in your environment? If so, what are you doing about it?</strong></p>
<p><strong>Joanna:</strong> I&#8217;ve been in IT for 20 years. It&#8217;s another component to business IT investment, and has to be presented as such. As IT professionals we have a responsibility to identify what Web 2.0 is, and then translate to see if there is anything the company should be doing with it. Monitor it based on your current portfolio, and consider its impact.</p>
<p><strong>David:</strong> It&#8217;s pretty important to our business as a media company. I don&#8217;t think it means one thing, it&#8217;s a term people use to talk about the web and what&#8217;s going on online. From mobile, to ajax, cloud computing or mashups - you can draw multiple conclusions. More and more business is being done online. We have a lot of growth opportunities online.</p>
<p><strong>Rowan:</strong> Compliance, security, and privacy issues just explode with Web 2.0.</p>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 15:45:01 +0000</pubDate>
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      <source url="http://blog.sciencelogic.com/interop-ny-it-roundtable/09/2008">Interop NY: IT Roundtable</source>
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      <title><![CDATA[Assets Good Until Reached For]]></title>
      <link>http://securityratty.com/article/b4259e9d1ccfa754480b062e7acb4e32</link>
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      <description><![CDATA[A few months back Minyanville wondered whether this subprime mess would end up as a cancer or a car crash. Guess we know the answer now. The question is - should we be at all surprised? Some smart...]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span style="white-space: pre-wrap; font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;">A few months back </span></span><a href="http://www.minyanville.com/articles/football-bears-bulls-Credit-equities-fannie/index/a/18769"><span style="font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;">Minyanville</span></span></a><span style="white-space: pre-wrap; font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;"> wondered whether this subprime mess would end up as a cancer or a car crash. Guess we know the answer now. The question is - should we be at all surprised?

Some smart folks have been warning for a long time. Warren Buffett famously called derivatives financial weapons of mass destruction.</span></span></p><div><span style="line-height: 14px; white-space: pre-wrap; font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span style="white-space: pre-wrap; font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;">Charlie Munger, as he is wont to do, went a bit further (from 2004):</span></span></div><div><span style="line-height: 14px; white-space: pre-wrap; font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;"><br /></span></span></div><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span style="color: #222222; line-height: 20px; font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;">I think a good litmus test of the mental and moral quality at any large institution [with significant derivatives exposure] would be to ask them, &quot;Do you really understand your derivatives book?&quot; Anyone who says yes is either crazy or lying.</span></span></p></blockquote><div><span style="white-space: pre-wrap; font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;">
</span></span><div><span style="white-space: pre-wrap; font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;">They have many other statements in the same direction, based on their own experience from buying companies that used deriviatives where they were unable to to unwind the books and figure out who owed who. At the last Berkshire Hathaway annual meeting someone asked Charlie Munger what we could learn from past blow ups about the present crisis</span></span></div><div><span style="line-height: 14px; white-space: pre-wrap; font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;"><br /></span></span></div><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 20px; font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;">It was a particularly foolish mess. We talked about an idiot in the credit delivery grocery business, Webvan. Internet based delivery service for groceries -- that was smarter than what happened in mortgage business. I wish we had those Webvan people back.</span></span></p></blockquote><div><div><span style="white-space: pre-wrap; font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;">
What can we learn from all this?
<br /></span></span></div><div><span style="line-height: 14px; white-space: pre-wrap; font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;">Well Dan Geer launched a revolution with his </span></span><a href="http://catless.ncl.ac.uk/risks/20.06.html"><span style="font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;">famous speech</span></span></a><span style="line-height: 14px; white-space: pre-wrap; font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;"> about risk management. He got the big picture part right on the security industry evolving into more risk management practices, however the examples we assumed that were right at the time, the financial industry are proving wrong. For one thing you can&#39;t manage a risk if you don&#39;t know the assets (back to Charlie Munger, emphasis added):</span></span></div><div><span style="line-height: 14px; white-space: pre-wrap; font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;"><br /></span></span></div></div></div><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 20px; "><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 20px; font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;">It is crazy to allow things to get too big to fail, run with knavery. As an industry, there is a crazy culture of greed and overreaching and overconfidence trading algorithms. It is demented to allow derivative trading such that clearance risks are embedded in system. Assets are all “good until reached for” on balance sheets. We had $400m of that at general re, </span></span><span style="font-weight: bold; font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;">“good until reached for”</span></span><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 20px; font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;">. In drug business you must prove it is good. It is a crazy culture, and to some extent an evil culture. Accounting people really failed us. Accounting standards ought to be dealt with like engineering standards.</span></span></span></p></blockquote><div><div><div><span style="line-height: 14px; white-space: pre-wrap; font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span style="line-height: 14px; white-space: pre-wrap; font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;">So, yes it is about risk management, but if you build too many abstractions on top of your assets through derivative accounting and such you may find you don&#39;t have any assets when you need them. Don&#39;t fall in love with your abstractions, </span></span><a href="http://1raindrop.typepad.com/1_raindrop/2008/04/security-rules.html"><span style="font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;">manage your assets</span></span></a><span style="line-height: 14px; white-space: pre-wrap; font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;">.</span></span></div><div><span style="line-height: 14px; white-space: pre-wrap; font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span style="line-height: 14px; white-space: pre-wrap; font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;">There are some clear lessons for us in Information Security, err I mean Information Risk Management.</span></span></div><div><span style="font-size: 12px; white-space: pre-wrap; "><span style="white-space: pre-wrap; font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;">
</span></span><span style="font-style: italic; font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;">Margin of safety</span></span><span style="white-space: pre-wrap; font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;">
Its our job to manage risk, but this doesn&#39;t mean that we have to build layers and layer of abstraction on top of it. It also means that we help to design, build, deploy, and operate systems with margins of safety. Understanding the failure modes and accounting for this in design. Developers (because they are supposed to) and architects (because they haven&#39;t been properly trained) focus on functional requirements, building features, but on security not so much. There are many ways to improve security in a system and they are all inadequate by themselves, but we can help find </span></span></span><a href="http://1raindrop.typepad.com/1_raindrop/2007/06/cost_effective_.html"><span style="font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;">cost effective improvements</span></span></a><span style="white-space: pre-wrap; font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;">. </span></span></div><div><span style="line-height: 14px; white-space: pre-wrap; font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span style="font-size: 12px; white-space: pre-wrap; "><span style="font-style: italic; font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;">Don&#39;t fall in love with abstractions</span></span><span style="white-space: pre-wrap; font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;">
</span></span></span></div><div><span style="line-height: 14px; white-space: pre-wrap; font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;">If you have a 100,000 dekstops or 100,000 servers it hard to manage. You will need to automate and to do that you need to abstract, but you should also realize that its a drawing on a whiteboard not reality. You need </span></span><a href="http://1raindrop.typepad.com/1_raindrop/2005/12/the_road_to_ass.html"><span style="font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;">abstraction assurance</span></span></a><span style="line-height: 14px; white-space: pre-wrap; font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;">.&#160;</span></span></div><div><span style="line-height: 14px; white-space: pre-wrap; font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;"><br /></span></span></div><div><a href="https://financialcryptography.com/"><span style="font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;">Ian Grigg</span></span></a><span style="line-height: 14px; white-space: pre-wrap; font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;"> </span></span><a href="http://1raindrop.typepad.com/1_raindrop/2008/09/if-a-tree-falls-in-someone-elses-silo.html#comments"><span style="font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;">commented</span></span></a><span style="line-height: 14px; white-space: pre-wrap; font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;"> on an earlier post</span></span></div><div><span style="line-height: 14px; white-space: pre-wrap; font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;"><br /></span></span></div></div></div><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;">There are distinct parallels between phishing / retail payments, and the bigger investment mess. In both cases, banks would argue these are core business. In both cases, they have applied risk-based security models, and accepted some loss. In both cases, they have the ability to apply substantial experience to the monitoring, allocating and absorbing risks and losses.</span></span></p></blockquote><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;"><br /></span></span><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;">In both cases, they watched and did nothing as the risks started from low, and migrated upwards. Are we at the point where regulation has killed the ability of banks to apply their (arguable) one core skill, to whit, risk-based analysis? Are banks that far out of banking that they no longer have it?</span></span></p></blockquote><div><div><div><span style="line-height: 14px; white-space: pre-wrap; font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span style="line-height: 14px; white-space: pre-wrap; font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;">So you have to remember that top down and bottom up need to be combined.</span></span></div><div><span style="line-height: 14px; white-space: pre-wrap; font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span style="font-size: 12px; line-height: 14px; white-space: pre-wrap; "><span style="font-style: italic; font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;">Design for failure</span></span></span></div><div><span style="line-height: 14px; white-space: pre-wrap; font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;">Dan Geer has also told the story that he sat in a large bank&#39;s risk management training, and the trainer said &quot;you may wonder why this works so well. it works because there is zero ambiguity over who owns what risk.&quot; Dan&#39;s thought was - &quot;in my field we have nothing but ambiguity.&quot; Turns out the second part was right, we have nothing but ambiguity over who owns what risk; unfortunately the financial people have much more ambiguity than they thought! So we do have a lesson here after all, and it this - when the thing you thought was true isn&#39;t, the failure mode is very ugly. </span></span><a href="http://1raindrop.typepad.com/1_raindrop/2006/01/design_for_fail.html"><span style="font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;">Design for failure - a</span></span></a><span style="line-height: 14px; white-space: pre-wrap; font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;">dd layers of protection. </span></span><span style="font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span style="white-space: pre-wrap; font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span style="font-size: 12px; white-space: pre-wrap; "><span style="font-style: italic; font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;">Keep it simple.</span></span></span></div><div><span style="line-height: 14px; white-space: pre-wrap; font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;">They have some smart engineers at Google to be sure, but even they had </span></span><a href="http://www.identityblog.com/?p=1011"><span style="font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;">incredibly basic errors in their SSO</span></span></a><span style="line-height: 14px; white-space: pre-wrap; font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;">. I have seen other obvious fails like people signing WS-Security messages, and the recipient checks for a signature but not if they trust the signer! There are so many ways to shoot yourself in the foot in a loosely coupled systems, and we have so many abstractions layered on top of each other, part of the mantra of protecting assets has to be keeping it simple.</span></span></div><div><span style="line-height: 14px; white-space: pre-wrap; font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span style="line-height: 14px; white-space: pre-wrap; font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;">So that is my list, to do all these things it requires that Infosec get in the game, understand the use cases, understand the business value (it should be abundantly clear that you can&#39;t simply rely on &quot;business people&quot; to be &quot;business experts&quot;), and that you not lose sight of the asset amidst all the abstraction. Finally, the systems we build security on are very primitive, a firewall and SSL are fine, a seatbelt was fine in 1935 and its still fine today, but there are lots of other safety controls in cars. ABS, airbags, traction control, they all protect the assets far better than in 1935, that&#39;s what we need to build.</span></span></div><div><span style="line-height: 14px; white-space: pre-wrap; font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span style="line-height: 14px; white-space: pre-wrap; font-size: 12px; "><span style="font-family: Arial;">Anyone can make bad assumptions (assume you know who owns what risk) and its easy to make bad abstractions (the firewall protects the information system), but when you combine bad assumptions with bad abstractions you&#39;ll get assets that are good until reached for sooner or later</span></span></div></div></div>]]></content:encoded>
      <pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 05:41:43 +0000</pubDate>
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      <title><![CDATA[Second ROI War]]></title>
      <link>http://securityratty.com/article/6df05dd9c10c56e31ac61b4fc3737f79</link>
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      <description><![CDATA[Another day, another security ROI blogwar
Schneier on Security ROI &quot;: &quot;It's a good idea in theory , but it's mostly bunk in practice .&quot; and &quot;The term just doesn't make sense in this context
Richards...]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another day, another security ROI blogwar.</p>  <ul>   <li>&quot;<a href="http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2008/09/security_roi_1.html">Schneier on Security ROI</a>&quot;: &quot;It's a <a href="http://communities.intel.com/openport/blogs/it/2008/08/25/are-security-roi-figures-meaningless">good</a> <a href="http://communities.intel.com/openport/blogs/it/2007/08/14/the-problem-of-measuring-information-security">idea</a> in <a href="https://buildsecurityin.us-cert.gov/daisy/bsi/articles/knowledge/business/677-BSI.html">theory</a>, <a href="http://taosecurity.blogspot.com/2007/07/are-questions-sound.html">but</a> <a href="http://www.bloginfosec.com/2007/07/13/bejtlich-and-business-will-it-blend/">it's</a> <a href="http://blog.vorant.com/2007/07/my-input-to-roi-spat.html">mostly</a> <a href="http://taosecurity.blogspot.com/2007/07/no-roi-no-problem.html">bunk</a> <a href="http://chuvakin.blogspot.com/2007/07/security-roi-pile-up.html">in</a> <a href="http://taosecurity.blogspot.com/2007/07/security-roi-revisited.html">practice</a>.&quot; and &quot;The term just doesn't make sense in this context.&quot; </li>    <li>Richards adds to it: &quot;<a href="http://taosecurity.blogspot.com/2008/09/schneier-agrees-security-roi-is-mostly.html">Schneier Agrees: Security ROI is &quot;Mostly Bunk&quot;</a>&quot;</li>    <li>&quot;<a href="http://andyitguy.blogspot.com/2008/09/security-roi-debate-continues.html">Security ROI - The debate continues</a>&quot;: &quot;ROI&#160; ... reared its ugly head.&quot; </li>    <li>&quot;<a href="http://blog.uncommonsensesecurity.com/2008/09/foi-failure-of-investment.html">FOI, Failure of Investment</a>&quot;:&#160; &quot;Not that you asked, but IMHO: ROI and TCO are SWAG at best. And, they are rarely at their best.&quot; The secret weapon of ROI war - <strong>FOI</strong> -&#160; is thus unleashed! </li>    <li><a href="http://www.datagovernance.com/cartoon_2.html">This</a> is also very relevant :-) </li> </ul>  <p>Overall, I love it when educated peoples' debate just falls waaaay down to the level of &quot;I won't care what YOU call it as long as you don't care what I call it....&quot; Yuck! :-)</p>  <p>All security ROI coverage is tagged <a href="http://delicious.com/anton18/ROI">here</a>: <a title="http://delicious.com/anton18/ROI" href="http://delicious.com/anton18/ROI">http://delicious.com/anton18/ROI</a>. The previous, &quot;First ROI War&quot;, is summarized <a href="http://chuvakin.blogspot.com/2007/07/security-roi-pile-up.html">here</a>.</p>  <div class="blogger-post-footer">About me: http://www.chuvakin.org</div><div class="feedflare">
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      <pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 12:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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      <title><![CDATA[Cisco 7600 OSR Backbone Router]]></title>
      <link>http://securityratty.com/article/a447dc34e61d2770ab6d723a54abcb31</link>
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      <description><![CDATA[For our confused CEO blogger over at StreamBase, who thinks an Internetbackbone router is the small $30 device he set up in his home office, here is a photo of a the Cisco 7600 OSR which of course...]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align: left;">For our confused CEO blogger over at StreamBase, who thinks an Internet backbone router is the small $30 device he set up in his home office, here is a photo of a the <a href="http://newsroom.cisco.com/dlls/prod_022001b.html" target="_blank">Cisco 7600 OSR</a> which of course runs <a href="http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/sw/iosswrel/products_ios_cisco_ios_software_category_home.html" target="_blank">CISCO IOS</a>.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><img style="vertical-align: middle;" src="http://newsroom.cisco.com/ts_images/Cisco-7600-OSR-high.jpg" alt="Cisco 7600 OSR" height="600" /></p>
<p style="text-align: left;">The Cisco 7600 OSR consists of a 256 Gbps switching fabric and a 30 million packets per second (mpps) forwarding engine. Its breadth of IP services comes from Cisco IOS, which provides features such as security, enhanced QoS, and destination sensitive services. In addition, the Cisco 7600 OSR allows the migration of existing port adapters from Cisco 7500 series routers, via the Cisco FlexWAN module, giving service providers one the industry&#8217;s widest array of interface options in any single platform. This provides service providers great flexibility in deploying the Cisco 7600 OSR for a variety of applications, protects their investment in existing systems, and gives them a practical migration path to the New World Optical Internet.</p>
<h3>A Revolutionary Platform For Evolving Networks</h3>
<p>The Cisco 7600 OSR helps service providers break through service and bandwidth barriers today, while designing networks to scale for future growth. The Cisco 7600 OSR achieves this through &#8220;adaptive network processing,&#8221; or the ability to evolve the platform for new IP services without hardware upgrades. Unlike fixed, ASIC-based platforms, which are hardware encoded, the Cisco 7600 OSR relies on the highly flexible Parallel eXpress Forwarding (PXF) technology for scalable performance of services. PXF is a patented, Cisco-developed network processor capable of line-rate IP services delivery that can support new IP services through periodic software upgrades. Each OSM has two PXF processors capable of 12 mpps of IP services delivery per interface card.</p>
<p>&#8220;IP+Optical combines the dynamism of the Internet world with the foundation of the transport world, creating an infrastructure that can deliver the services that service providers need,&#8221; said Lele Nardin, vice president of the Internet Systems Business Unit at Cisco. &#8220;Cisco will continue to add innovative solutions on top of this solid foundation to make service providers better equipped to meet the constantly escalating and changing customer demands for new networking services.&#8221;</p>
<h3>Pricing and Availability</h3>
<p>The base Cisco 7600 OSR system is list priced at $73,000 and the entry level system, with interfaces, start at $100,000. The interfaces modules are priced between $27,000 to $180,000. The Cisco 7600 OSR is available now worldwide.</p>
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      <pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 07:25:02 +0000</pubDate>
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      <source url="http://www.thecepblog.com/2008/09/06/cisco-7600-osr-backbone-router/">Cisco 7600 OSR Backbone Router</source>
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      <title><![CDATA[Real Artists Ship]]></title>
      <link>http://securityratty.com/article/da6631c856e43a023c66515e59fbce16</link>
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      <description><![CDATA[For a number of reasons I follow emerging economies, the biggies being China and India. The BRIC countries (Brazil, Russia, India, and China) generally get lumped in together as the &quot;next big thing&quot;,...]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For a number of reasons I follow emerging economies, the biggies being China and India. The BRIC countries (Brazil, Russia, India, and China) generally get lumped in together as the &quot;next big thing&quot;, but they are at very, very different stages of development and more importantly are taking different paths. You can easily think of software security as an emerging discipline - despite a lot of talk and papers about Saltzer and Schroeder, we really don&#39;t have this stuff figured out.&#160;</p><br /><div>So China is following a well worn path similar to South Korea, Japan, and the early US. India is taking a totally different and unproven path towards growth. Tata Motors has been innovative in building the cheapest car - the Tata Nano which is a $2500 car, and<a href="http://1raindrop.typepad.com/1_raindrop/2008/01/to-those-about.html"> engineering triumph</a>, driven by a mantra that an engineer would stand behind &quot;do we really need that?&quot;</div><br /><div>Now the progress to executing on this is <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/03/world/asia/03tata.html?_r=1&amp;ref=world&amp;oref=slogin">held back</a> by India&#39;s dysfunctional environment:</div><br /><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span style="font-family: Verdana; font-style: italic; line-height: normal; ">In a tale rich with incongruities, the Communist-run government of West Bengal State invited the&#160;<a href="http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/business/companies/tata_group/index.html?inline=nyt-org" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; text-decoration: none; color: #006683; " title="More articles about the Tata Group.">Tata Group</a>, a symbol of Indian capitalism, to set up its plant in an area called Singur. It acquired 1,000 acres from farmers on the company’s behalf.</span><br /><span style="font-family: Verdana; font-style: italic; line-height: normal; ">As the project advanced, some farmers who had sold their land demanded it back. The main state-level opposition party, the Trinamool Congress, led protests demanding that the land be returned. Most people sympathetic to Tata accused the opposition of inducing the farmers to protest, while Tata’s critics said the farmers had legitimate grievances.</span></p></blockquote><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span style="font-family: Verdana; font-style: italic; line-height: normal;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: Verdana; font-style: italic; line-height: normal; ">The issue simmered for months. But in recent days, protesters began surrounding the plant, blocking roads and preventing Tata workers from reaching the plant. “The existing environment of obstruction, intimidation and confrontation has begun to impact the ability of the company to convince several of its experienced managers to relocate and work in the plant,” Tata said in a statement on Tuesday.</span><br /><span style="font-family: Verdana; font-style: italic; line-height: normal; "><br /></span></p></blockquote><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span style="font-family: Verdana; font-style: italic; line-height: normal; ">The halt to the plant has caused many Indian business people to warn of a chilling effect on investment in the country. It is also unclear how Tata will be able to keep the Nano’s cost so low, since part of the affordable price reflects the company’s savings on the land in Singur.</span></p></blockquote><p><span style="font-family: Verdana; font-style: italic; line-height: normal;"><br /><div><span style="font-style: normal; "><a href="http://voxeu.org/index.php?q=node/1585">Arvind Subramanian</a>&#160;compares China and India&#39;s trajectories:</span><br /></div><div><span style="font-style: normal;"><br /></span></div></span></p><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span style="font-family: Verdana; font-style: italic; line-height: normal; ">There is a fundamental asymmetry between state and markets. It is easier to create markets than it is to create state capacity or to prevent its deterioration. Creating markets is a lot about letting go, establishing a reasonable policy framework, and allowing the natural hustling instinct to take over. In other words, hustling is the natural state. Building state capacity, on the other hand, is quite different. It involves overcoming collective action problems, mediating conflict, creating accountability mechanisms where outputs are multiple and fuzzy and links between inputs and outputs murky, and contending with the deep imprints of history. In Weber’s memorable words, building public institutions is like the “slow boring of hard boards”.</span></p></blockquote><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span style="font-family: Verdana; font-style: italic; line-height: normal;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: Verdana; font-style: italic; line-height: normal; ">In that light, China’s task of improving its private sector seems easier to accomplish than India’s task of arresting institutional decline. So, while China and India can probably both count on more years of high growth, the odds still favour China pulling off that feat than India. That, and not just the meagre medal tally, should be what India mulls over after the Beijing Olympics.</span></p></blockquote><div><span style="font-family: Verdana; font-style: italic; line-height: normal;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: Verdana; line-height: normal; ">The Economist </span><a href="http://www.economist.com/blogs/freeexchange/2008/09/the_passion_of_the_tata.cfm">summarizes</a><span style="font-family: Verdana; line-height: normal; ">:</span></div><div><span style="font-family: Verdana; line-height: normal;"><br /></span></div><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span style="font-family: Verdana; line-height: normal; ">It&#39;s easier to liberalise a functional state than it is to functionalise a dysfunctional one, of any ideological stripe.</span></p></blockquote><p><span style="font-family: Verdana; line-height: normal;"><br /></span></p><div><span style="font-family: Verdana; line-height: normal;">What does all this have to do with ostensibly the topic at hand - Information Security? Well Tata Motors had the innovation but they didn&#39;t have the deployment model, at least not yet. More to the point, a lot of software security gets driven by infosec groups but real change is only coming when its driven by the development group. Why? Development groups are functional, they ship code.&#160;A lot of the success in software security is predicated by who you choose to partner with, it is more effective and easier to add security into a functional development group that ships code.</span></div><div><span style="font-family: Verdana; line-height: normal;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: Verdana; line-height: normal;"><br /></span></div>]]></content:encoded>
      <pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 07:23:08 +0000</pubDate>
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      <title><![CDATA[Security ROI]]></title>
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      <description><![CDATA[Return on investment, or ROI, is a big deal in business. Any business venture needs to demonstrate a positive return on investment, and a good one at that, in order to be viable
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      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Return on investment, or ROI, is a big deal in business. Any business venture needs to demonstrate a positive return on investment, and a good one at that, in order to be viable.</p>

<p>It's become a <a href="http://www.csoonline.com/article/print/217727">big</a> <a href="http://www.computerworld.com/securitytopics/security/story/0,10801,83207,00.html?nas=ROI-83207">deal</a> in IT security, too. Many corporate customers are demanding ROI models to demonstrate that a particular security investment pays off. And in response, vendors are providing ROI models that demonstrate how their particular security solution provides the best return on investment.</p>

<p>It's a <a href="http://communities.intel.com/openport/blogs/it/2008/08/25/are-security-roi-figures-meaningless">good</a> <a href="http://communities.intel.com/openport/blogs/it/2007/08/14/the-problem-of-measuring-information-security">idea</a> in <a href="https://buildsecurityin.us-cert.gov/daisy/bsi/articles/knowledge/business/677-BSI.html">theory</a>, <a href="http://taosecurity.blogspot.com/2007/07/are-questions-sound.html">but</a> <a href="http://www.bloginfosec.com/2007/07/13/bejtlich-and-business-will-it-blend/">it's</a> <a href="http://blog.vorant.com/2007/07/my-input-to-roi-spat.html">mostly</a> <a href="http://taosecurity.blogspot.com/2007/07/no-roi-no-problem.html">bunk</a> <a href="http://chuvakin.blogspot.com/2007/07/security-roi-pile-up.html">in</a> <a href="http://taosecurity.blogspot.com/2007/07/security-roi-revisited.html">practice</a>.</p>

<p>Before I get into the details, there's one point I have to make. "ROI" as used in a security context is inaccurate. Security is not an investment that provides a return, like a new factory or a financial instrument. It's an expense that, hopefully, pays for itself in cost savings. Security is about loss prevention, not about earnings. The term just doesn't make sense in this context.</p>

<p>But as anyone who has lived through a company's vicious end-of-year budget-slashing exercises knows, when you're trying to make your numbers, cutting costs is the same as increasing revenues. So while security can't produce ROI, loss prevention most certainly affects a company's bottom line.</p>

<p>And a company should implement only security countermeasures that affect its bottom line positively. It shouldn't spend more on a security problem than the problem is worth. Conversely, it shouldn't ignore problems that are costing it money when there are cheaper mitigation alternatives. A smart company needs to approach security as it would any other business decision: costs versus benefits.</p>

<p>The classic methodology is called annualized loss expectancy (ALE), and it's straightforward. Calculate the cost of a security incident in both tangibles like time and money, and intangibles like reputation and competitive advantage. Multiply that by the chance the incident will occur in a year. That tells you how much you should spend to mitigate the risk. So, for example, if your store has a 10 percent chance of getting robbed and the cost of being robbed is $10,000, then you should spend $1,000 a year on security. Spend more than that, and you're wasting money. Spend less than that, and you're also wasting money.</p>

<p>Of course, that $1,000 has to reduce the chance of being robbed to zero in order to be cost-effective. If a security measure cuts the chance of robbery by 40 percent -- to 6 percent a year -- then you should spend no more than $400 on it. If another security measure reduces it by 80 percent, it's worth $800. And if two security measures both reduce the chance of being robbed by 50 percent and one costs $300 and the other $700, the first one is worth it and the second isn't.</p>

<p>The Data Imperative</p>

<p>The key to making this work is good data; the term of art is "actuarial tail." If you're doing an ALE analysis of a security camera at a convenience store, you need to know the crime rate in the store's neighborhood and maybe have some idea of how much cameras improve the odds of convincing criminals to rob another store instead. You need to know how much a robbery costs: in merchandise, in time and annoyance, in lost sales due to spooked patrons, in employee morale. You need to know how much not having the cameras costs in terms of employee morale; maybe you're having trouble hiring salespeople to work the night shift. With all that data, you can figure out if the cost of the camera is cheaper than the loss of revenue if you close the store at night -- assuming that the closed store won't get robbed as well. And then you can decide whether to install one.</p>

<p>Cybersecurity is considerably harder, because there just isn't enough good data. There aren't good crime rates for cyberspace, and we have a lot less data about how individual security countermeasures -- or specific configurations of countermeasures -- mitigate those risks. We don't even have data on incident costs.</p>

<p>One problem is that the threat moves too quickly. The characteristics of the things we're trying to prevent change so quickly that we can't accumulate data fast enough. By the time we get some data, there's a new threat model for which we don't have enough data. So we can't create ALE models.</p>

<p>But there's another problem, and it's that the math quickly falls apart when it comes to rare and expensive events. Imagine you calculate the cost -- reputational costs, loss of customers, etc. -- of having your company's name in the newspaper after an embarrassing cybersecurity event to be $20 million. Also assume that the odds are 1 in 10,000 of that happening in any one year. ALE says you should spend no more than $2,000 mitigating that risk.</p>

<p>So far, so good. But maybe your CFO thinks an incident would cost only $10 million. You can't argue, since we're just estimating. But he just cut your security budget in half. A vendor trying to sell you a product finds a Web analysis claiming that the odds of this happening are actually 1 in 1,000. Accept this new number, and suddenly a product costing 10 times as much is still a good investment.</p>

<p>It gets worse when you deal with even more rare and expensive events. Imagine you're in charge of terrorism mitigation at a chlorine plant. What's the cost to your company, in money and reputation, of a large and very deadly explosion? $100 million? $1 billion? $10 billion? And the odds: 1 in a hundred thousand, 1 in a million, 1 in 10 million? Depending on how you answer those two questions -- and any answer is really just a guess -- you can justify spending anywhere from $10 to $100,000 annually to mitigate that risk.</p>

<p>Or take another example: airport security. Assume that all the new airport security measures increase the waiting time at airports by -- and I'm making this up -- 30 minutes per passenger. There were 760 million passenger boardings in the United States in 2007. This means that the extra waiting time at airports has cost us a collective 43,000 years of extra waiting time. Assume a 70-year life expectancy, and the increased waiting time has "killed" 620 people per year -- 930 if you calculate the numbers based on 16 hours of awake time per day. So the question is: If we did away with increased airport security, would the result be more people dead from terrorism or fewer?</p>

<p>Caveat Emptor</p>

<p>This kind of thing is why most ROI models you get from security vendors are <a href="http://www.postini.com/services/roi_calculator.html">nonsense</a>. Of course their model demonstrates that their product or service makes financial sense: They've jiggered the numbers so that they do.</p>

<p>This doesn't mean that ALE is useless, but it does mean you should 1) mistrust any analyses that come from people with an agenda and 2) use any results as a general guideline only. So when you get an ROI model from your vendor, take its framework and plug in your own numbers. Don't even show the vendor your improvements; it won't consider any changes that make its product or service less cost-effective to be an "improvement." And use those results as a general guide, along with risk management and compliance analyses, when you're deciding what security products and services to buy.</p>

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      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Information Security budgets are pretty <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cruft">crufty</a>, they are an accumulation of decisions but the analysis that led to these decisions is rarely revisited, it just snowballs. So the normal Information Security budget is just a legacy artifact of when the network was the greatest vulnerability. <a href="http://www.cigital.com/~gem/">Gary McGraw&#160;</a><a href="http://www.informit.com/articles/article.aspx?p=1237978">took a pass</a> at reviewing the numbers in software security, breaking down software security sectors like tools and services (note to Gary - I think <a href="http://www.aspectsecurity.com/">Aspect</a> does more than just training!). This is great work by Gary to get these numbers to see the real changes occuring in software security. Here were his findings on software security tools:</p><div><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span style="font-family: &#39;Lucida Grande&#39;; line-height: 19px; ">One of the most important developments in the software security market can be seen in the tools space which, combined, almost doubled to $150-180 million. Top of list are two major acquisitions that closed in 2007: Watchfire&#39;s purchase by IBM (somewhere in the range of $120-150 million on 2006 revenue of $26 million) and SPI Dynamics&#39;s purchase by HP (for around $100 million on 2006 revenue of $21.2 million).</span></p></blockquote><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span style="font-family: &#39;Lucida Grande&#39;; line-height: 19px;">...</span></p></blockquote><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span style="font-family: &#39;Lucida Grande&#39;; line-height: 19px; ">The black box space was flat in 2007, with IBM/Watchfire checking in at $24.1 million and HP/SPI Dynamics earning $22.3 million. Smaller companies in the space, including Cenzic, Codenomicon, WhiteHat and the like had combined revenues around $12.5 million (a growth of 25%, though Cenzic grew 16% and WhiteHat 52%). Most of the growth &quot;hiccup&quot; in the black box market can be attributed to the serious challenges posed by any acquisition. So far 2008 looks to be back on track from a growth perspective in the black box testing space. The global reach that IBM and HP offer are already making a big difference.</span></p></blockquote><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span style="font-family: &#39;Lucida Grande&#39;; line-height: 19px;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: &#39;Lucida Grande&#39;; line-height: 19px; ">On a more positive note, static analysis tools for code review grew at a healthy clip in 2007 into a $91.9 million dollar market. Fortify was up 83% to $29.2 million. Klocwork grew over 60% to $26 million. Coverity grew over 50% to $27.2 million. Ounce Labs tripled their revenue to $9.5 million.</span></p></blockquote><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><br /></blockquote><div><br /><div>These are very nice growth numbers, what company doesn&#39;t want 83% growth? However, the total picture is not so good. Gary&#39;s estimate shows the software security space coming in at $150 Million total, yet we see a company like Checkpoint that won the network security war in 1995 with earnings of around $900 Million! One single network security vendor is 6 times bigger than the entire software security space?!? Complete UTTER Madness!</div><br /><div>This is the stupefying, stultifying effects of budget cruft, where the decisions made in <a href="http://1raindrop.typepad.com/1_raindrop/2007/10/network-securit.html">The People&#39;s Republic of Information Security</a> have no bearing on reality of threats or even a business case.</div><br /><div>Let&#39;s look at networks. Obviously Cisco is the biggest, they earned $39.5 Billion last year. Pretty stellar. So spending $900 Million (Checkpoint) to defined $39.5 Billion seems like a pretty good deal.</div><br /><div>Except, let&#39;s compare software security spending - last year Microsoft earned $60 Billion, SAP $16 billion, and Oracle $22 Billion. So that is about $98 Billion and you are going to &quot;defend&quot; that with allocating $150 Million worth of software security tools?</div><br />

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$98 billion
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<br /><div>This table greatly disturbs me. From a prioritization standpoint The People&#39;s Republic of Information Security is misaligned by orders of magnitude. Next time you read about a data breach, or see an auditor&#39;s report with thousands of findings you won&#39;t have to wonder how it happened. It happened because Information Security doesn&#39;t have its eye on the ball.</div><br /><div>Consider that software security tools could grow 50% a year for five years and still be half of where Checkpoint is today!</div><br />I see the outcomes of backwards looking, crufty decisions by Information Security every day - one or two software security sherpas heading out to work with thousands of developers, meanwhile the network security people sit around and read the newspaper and go home every day at 5.</div><br /><div>The optimistic way of looking at all this data is that there is major room for growth for software security, if you take Checkpoint as a target, then the software security space should evolve to around 2% of the software space meaning that it should evolve into a $2 billion space <span style="font-style: italic;">around fifteen times larger</span> than it is today. Unprotected assets will either be protected or will cease to be assets, VCs get your check books ready.</div>]]></content:encoded>
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