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    <pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 02:04:49 +0000</pubDate>
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      <title><![CDATA[Mamma.com: Insider trading and XSS]]></title>
      <link>http://securityratty.com/article/56fd5d403c630cbec7e9ec62becaafc5</link>
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      <description><![CDATA[Mamma.com 's got issues other than Mark Cuban's insider trading allegations. As a point of reference for this conversation, Mamma.com is ranked 4064 on Alexa as of today
I won't profess to following...]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<a href="http://mamma.com/" target="_blank">Mamma.com</a>'s got issues other than Mark Cuban's insider trading allegations. As a point of reference for this conversation, Mamma.com is ranked <a href="http://www.alexa.com/search?q=mamma.com" target="_blank">4064</a> on <a href="http://www.alexa.com" target="_blank">Alexa</a> as of today.<br />I won't profess to following Mr. Cuban's public life and the occasional antics. Obviously, he's a colorful and popular figure; certainly in Dallas, if not nationally. <br />What follows is not a judgment of Mr. Cuban or his pending legal challenges. I'm sure the process will play itself out accordingly.<br />A quick summary and some reference material:<br />The SEC has <a href="http://www.businessweek.com/the_thread/blogspotting/archives/2008/11/sec_hits_mark_c.html?chan=technology_technology+index+page_top+stories" target="_blank">filed</a> insider trading charges against Mr. Cuban. "According to the SEC, Cuban dumped 600,000 shares, or all of his 6.3% stake, in the search engine Mamma.com (The Mother of All Search Engines), in June 2004 after learning about private financing that the company was proposing. By selling, he avoided losing $750,000, the SEC alleges."<br />The whole issue for Mr. Cuban was <a href="http://blogmaverick.com/2008/11/17/the-sec/" target="_blank">PIPE</a> financing because it's "dilutive to existing shareholders’ stakes."<br />That's the long and the short of the current issue, and again, not my real interest here, with the exception of the bet I made with myself regarding the probable web application security posture of mamma.com. <br />All this talk about a popular site immediately sets off the little bell in my head (I hear it a lot). <span style="font-weight:bold;"><br />"What's wrong with the site?" is always the first question I ask myself.</span> <br /><br />I was not disappointed. <br /><br />Mamma.com exhibits the following issues:<br />1) XSS vulnerability in the <span style="font-style:italic;">utfout<span style="font-weight:bold;"><span style="font-style:italic;"></span></span></span> variable.<br /><br /><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_kVOWaY1TAF0/SSNDBtG5jhI/AAAAAAAAAEs/rIT7buzVsao/s1600-h/mamma1.png" target="_blank"><img style="cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 320px; height: 184px;" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_kVOWaY1TAF0/SSNDBtG5jhI/AAAAAAAAAEs/rIT7buzVsao/s320/mamma1.png" border="0" alt=""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5270129685521075730" /></a><br /><br />2) XSS vulnerability in the <span style="font-style:italic;">qtype</span> variable.<br /><br /><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_kVOWaY1TAF0/SSNDSxiGVeI/AAAAAAAAAE0/E-McmPqvoDQ/s1600-h/mamma2.png" target="_blank"><img style="cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 320px; height: 201px;" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_kVOWaY1TAF0/SSNDSxiGVeI/AAAAAAAAAE0/E-McmPqvoDQ/s320/mamma2.png" border="0" alt=""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5270129978766677474" /></a><br /><br />3) XSS vulnerability in their Mammajobs site at the <span style="font-style:italic;">pid</span> variable. This one's weirder still; if you drop an IFRAME in, it simply redirects to any URL you include in the IFRAME string.<br /><br /><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_kVOWaY1TAF0/SSNDd-U7c0I/AAAAAAAAAE8/GCrCAoYom5k/s1600-h/mamma3.png" target="_blank"><img style="cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 320px; height: 99px;" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_kVOWaY1TAF0/SSNDd-U7c0I/AAAAAAAAAE8/GCrCAoYom5k/s320/mamma3.png" border="0" alt=""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5270130171179660098" /></a><br /><br />4) The prospect of CSRF (rather pointless here given that its just a search engine, but but still defies best practices) appears likely given that mamma.com blindly accepts updates via GET and POST with no sign of a formkey (canary) in sight.<br /><br />I figured it best to stop there, and have submitted all these to Copernic (the Momma parent company). <br />I am however truly disappointed that an enterprise as ambitious and motivated as Momma/Copernic seems to have thrown the baby out with the bath water when it comes to web application security.<br />With regard to Mark Cuban dumping his shares: maybe he was afraid of getting pwned. ;-) All kidding aside, it's a shame that the whimsical and pessimistic thoughts regarding web site security that bounce around in my head inevitably bear themselves out.<br /><br /><a href="http://del.icio.us/post?url=http://holisticinfosec.blogspot.com/2008/11/mammacom-insider-trading-and-xss.html&title=Mamma.com:%20Insider%20trading%20and%20XSS " title="Mamma.com: Insider trading and XSS ">del.icio.us</a> | <a href="http://digg.com/submit?phase=2&amp;url=http://holisticinfosec.blogspot.com/2008/11/mammacom-insider-trading-and-xss.html" title="Mamma.com: Insider trading and XSS ">digg</a> | <a href="http://slashdot.org/submit.pl?url=http://holisticinfosec.blogspot.com/2008/11/mammacom-insider-trading-and-xss.html">Submit to Slashdot</a>]]></content:encoded>
      <pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 06:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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      <source url="http://holisticinfosec.blogspot.com/2008/11/mammacom-insider-trading-and-xss.html">Mamma.com: Insider trading and XSS</source>
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      <title><![CDATA[A Parent's Guide to Safe, Simple, Kid-Friendly E-Mail]]></title>
      <link>http://securityratty.com/article/4256d21a8c8386100d203eee25fc7f46</link>
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      <description><![CDATA[Here are some techniques to let kids exchange messages with family members and friends while protecting them from online predators, crude spam, phishing messages and the...]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[Here are some techniques to let kids exchange messages with family members and friends while protecting them from online predators, crude spam, phishing messages and the like.<br style="clear: both;"/>
    <a style='font-size: 10px; color: maroon;' href='http://www.pheedo.com/hostedMorselClick.php?hfmm=v3:9dc6b73574eb796d807b724faa1a7920:TbWMqrtNdSZ547hOG4j9M3cqVDUvZJlUYCXK0hUmpnZ%2Br8THadAMQBsKYsAM6TGhFgabHCxOKr3W'><img border='0' title='Add to digg' alt='Add to digg' src='http://www.pheedo.com/images/mm/digg.gif'/></a>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 02:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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      <source url="http://feeds.computerworld.com/click.phdo?i=8435b24ca6e3212d93295356b7d60f30">A Parent's Guide to Safe, Simple, Kid-Friendly E-Mail</source>
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      <title><![CDATA[A Parent's Guide to Safe, Simple, Kid-Friendly E-Mail]]></title>
      <link>http://securityratty.com/article/4d5077b1e36f42b7c1e36074a9d3a975</link>
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      <description><![CDATA[When it comes to children and the Internet, most parents focus on safe Web browsing. That's understandable, given that the Web can sometimes seem like one big Red Light District. But the Web isn't the...]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[When it comes to children and the Internet, most parents focus on safe Web browsing. That's understandable, given that the Web can sometimes seem like one big Red Light District. But the Web isn't the only source of objectionable material online. E-mail can be just as bad.]]></content:encoded>
      <pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 21:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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      <source url="http://www.networkworld.com/reviews/2008/110608-a-parents-guide-to-safe.html?fsrc=rss-security">A Parent's Guide to Safe, Simple, Kid-Friendly E-Mail</source>
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      <title><![CDATA[Monthly Blog Round-Up - September 2008]]></title>
      <link>http://securityratty.com/article/7bcc00d7fa1280bf6a276c7c821e4445</link>
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      <description><![CDATA[As we all know, blogs are a bit &quot;stateless&quot; and a lot of good content gets lost since many people, sadly, only pay attention to what they see today . These monthly round-ups is an attempt to remind...]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As we all know, blogs are a bit &quot;stateless&quot; and a lot of good content gets lost since many people, sadly, only pay attention to what they see <em>today</em>. These <a href="http://chuvakin.blogspot.com/search/label/Monthly">monthly round-ups</a> is an attempt to remind people of useful content from the past month!</p>  <p>So, here is my next <strong>monthly <a href="chuvakin.blogspot.com/">&quot;Security Warrior&quot; blog</a> </strong>round-up of top 5 popular posts and topics.</p>  <ol>   <li>Shockingly, <a href="http://chuvakin.blogspot.com/2008/09/monthly-blog-round-up-august-2008.html">AGAIN</a> this month, the &quot;<a href="http://chuvakin.blogspot.com/2007/10/top-11-reasons-to-secure-and-protect.html">Top 11 Reasons to Secure and Protect Your Logs</a>&quot; came up as #1 most popular post (maybe driven by <a href="http://chuvakin.blogspot.com/2008/08/poll-9-how-much-log-security-do-you.html">my poll</a>).&#160; BTW, see <a href="http://chuvakin.blogspot.com/search/label/poll">my other logging polls</a>. </li>    <li><a href="http://chuvakin.blogspot.com/search/label/ROI">Security ROI</a> - and its parent topic &quot;security metrics&quot;/&quot;measuring security&quot; - is definitely an ongoing <strong>HOT</strong> debate. Indeed, the old post <a href="http://chuvakin.blogspot.com/2007/07/security-roi-pile-up.html">&quot;</a><a href="http://chuvakin.blogspot.com/2007/07/security-roi-pile-up.html">Security ROI Pile-Up!</a><a href="http://chuvakin.blogspot.com/2007/07/security-roi-pile-up.html">&quot;</a> takes the #2 spot this month, possibly propelled by a more recent post &quot;<a href="http://chuvakin.blogspot.com/2008/09/second-roi-war.html">Second ROI War</a>.&quot;</li>    <li>Some say that &quot;short blog posts rule&quot;, but, in reality, good, fun content is the best. Here is an example:&#160; &quot;<a href="http://chuvakin.blogspot.com/2008/09/dumb-luck-is-strategy.html">Dumb Luck IS a Strategy!</a>&quot; post makes the top list. In it, I try to explore why people still ignore security concerns even if stare people in the face...</li>    <li>Discussion on what you can do to soften the impact of &quot;getting 0wned&quot; ( &quot;<a href="http://chuvakin.blogspot.com/2008/09/what-can-you-do.html">What CAN You Do?</a>&quot;) made the top list. Good!</li>    <li>As before, my post &quot;<a href="http://chuvakin.blogspot.com/2008/06/11-signs-that-your-siem-is-dog-or-you.html">11 Signs That Your SIEM Is A Dog or &quot;Raffy, You Killed SIM!&quot;</a>&quot;. It is both humorous and sadly true (and <a href="http://www.networkworld.com/cgi-bin/mailto/x.cgi?pagetosend=/export/home/httpd/htdocs/reviews/2008/063008-test-siem.html&amp;pagename=/reviews/2008/063008-test-siem.html&amp;pageurl=http://www.networkworld.com/reviews/2008/063008-test-siem.html&amp;site=security">backed up by other sources</a>) </li>    <li>Still burning hot is a post with my irreverent comments on a Terry Childs saga. Namely, &quot;<a href="http://chuvakin.blogspot.com/2008/07/on-doomsaying-terry-childs-case.html">On Doomsaying (Terry Childs case)</a>&quot;, &quot;<a href="http://chuvakin.blogspot.com/2008/07/on-doomsaying-terry-childs-case.html">So ... Am I? Maybe I Am!</a>&quot; and &quot;<a href="http://chuvakin.blogspot.com/2008/07/admins-good-guys-or-am-not-idiot.html">Admins , Good Guys or &quot;I am NOT an Idiot!&quot;</a>&quot; </li> </ol>  <p><a href="http://chuvakin.blogspot.com/search/label/Monthly">See you</a> in October.</p>  <p><strong>Possibly related posts / past monthly popular blog round-ups:</strong></p>  <ul>   <li><a href="http://chuvakin.blogspot.com/2008/09/monthly-blog-round-up-august-2008.html">Monthly Blog Round-Up - August 2008</a> </li>    <li><a href="http://chuvakin.blogspot.com/2008/08/monthly-blog-round-up-july-2008.html">Monthly Blog Round-Up - July 2008</a> </li>    <li><a href="http://chuvakin.blogspot.com/2008/07/monthly-blog-round-up-june-2008.html">Monthly Blog Round-Up - June 2008</a> </li>    <li><a href="http://chuvakin.blogspot.com/2008/06/monthly-blog-round-up-may-2008.html">Monthly Blog Round-Up - May 2008</a>&#160;&#160; </li>    <li><a href="http://chuvakin.blogspot.com/2008/05/monthly-blog-round-up-april-2008.html">Monthly Blog Round-Up - April 2008</a>&#160;&#160; </li>    <li><a href="http://chuvakin.blogspot.com/2008/04/monthly-blog-round-up-march-2008.html">Monthly Blog Round-Up - March 2008</a>&#160;&#160; </li>    <li><a href="http://chuvakin.blogspot.com/2008/03/monthly-blog-round-up-february-2008.html">Monthly Blog Round-Up - February 2008</a>&#160;&#160; </li>    <li><a href="http://chuvakin.blogspot.com/2008/02/monthly-blog-round-up-january-2008.html">Monthly Blog Round-Up - January 2008</a>&#160;&#160; </li>    <li><a href="http://chuvakin.blogspot.com/2008/01/monthly-blog-round-up-december-2007.html">Monthly Blog Round-Up - December 2007</a>&#160;&#160; </li>    <li><a href="http://chuvakin.blogspot.com/2007/11/monthly-blog-round-up-november-2007.html">Monthly Blog Round-Up - November 2007</a>&#160;&#160; </li>    <li><a href="http://chuvakin.blogspot.com/2007/11/monthly-blog-round-up-october-2007.html">Monthly Blog Round-Up - October 2007</a>&#160;&#160; </li>    <li><a href="http://chuvakin.blogspot.com/2007/10/monthly-blog-round-up-september-2007.html">Monthly Blog Round-Up - September 2007</a> </li>    <li><a href="http://chuvakin.blogspot.com/2007/08/monthly-blog-round-up-august-2007.html">Monthly Blog Round-Up - August 2007</a> </li> </ul>  <p>&#160;</p>  <p></p>  <div class="wlWriterSmartContent" id="scid:0767317B-992E-4b12-91E0-4F059A8CECA8:7192e29b-e335-4630-8b0b-dc37806d54ee" style="padding-right: 0px; display: inline; padding-left: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; margin: 0px; padding-top: 0px">Technorati Tags: <a href="http://technorati.com/tags/blog" rel="tag">blog</a>,<a href="http://technorati.com/tags/security" rel="tag">security</a>,<a href="http://technorati.com/tags/loggings" rel="tag">loggings</a>,<a href="http://technorati.com/tags/monthly" rel="tag">monthly</a></div>  <div class="blogger-post-footer">About me: http://www.chuvakin.org</div><div class="feedflare">
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      <pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 12:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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      <title><![CDATA[XSF & XSS: Double your pleasure, double your fun]]></title>
      <link>http://securityratty.com/article/1fae85d8335f0c9fbe56b8858c8692c2</link>
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      <description><![CDATA[If you've read this blog, or those of my peers, you're likely quite familiar with cross-site scripting, and the problems associated with open redirect vulnerabilities. A vulnerability you may be less...]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[If you've read this blog, or those of my peers, you're likely quite familiar with cross-site scripting, and the problems associated with open redirect vulnerabilities. A vulnerability you may be less familiar with is <a href="http://www.xssed.com/news/26/Cross-site_framed/" target="_blank">cross-site framing</a>, which largely couples the best of both above-mentioned vulnerabilities. <br />What then, if there's a cross-site framing vulnerability coupled with cross-site scripting in the content offered by the frame? All sorts of problems come to mind: phishing, malware, credential theft; all arguably twice removed from the attacker's source, tucked away in the context of two victim sites.<br />First, I'll discuss the original XSS issue that led to this finding.<br />Recently, I was investigating a flawed parameter in <a href="http://www.openhire.com/" target="_blank">Openhire</a>, a career posting vendor used by major companies like <a href="http://hostedjobs.openhire.com/epostings/jobs/submit.cfm?company_id=15635&version=1" target="_blank">Crate&Barrel</a>, Eileen Fisher, Enterprise, Benjamin Moore, Scottrade, and Getty Images.<br />Most of these sites simply link to the Openhire offering that hosts job postings on their behalf which, in turn, has been crafted to look like the referring site.<br />As an example, here's Scottrade's employment page hosted by Openhire.<br /><br /><span style="font-style:italic;"><a href="http://hostedjobs.openhire.com/epostings/jobs/submit.cfm?version=1&company_id=15624" target="_blank">http://hostedjobs.openhire.com/epostings/jobs/submit.cfm?version=1&company_id=15624</a></span><br /><br />Standard stuff, looks nicely like the Scottrade site, so everything's cool, right?<br />Wrong? What if someone hosting a service on your behalf suffers a security gap?<br /><span style="font-weight:bold;">You're only as strong as your weakest link!</span><br />Here's the posting for an Application Security Engineer (funny, eh?) at Scottrade as hosted on their behalf by Openhire:<br /><br /><span style="font-style:italic;"><a href="http://hostedjobs.openhire.com/epostings/jobs/submit.cfm?fuseaction=dspjob&id=23&jobid=130527&company_id=15624&version=1&source=ONLINE&JobOwner=976367&level=levelid3&levelid3=18247&parent=St.%20Louis%20Corporate%20Headquarters%3B%3B%3BInformation%20Technology%3B%3B%3BSecurity&startflag=3&CFID=66851845&CFTOKEN=29a95-d12594d4-47d9-49e8-9067-1091bdf68e80" target="_blank">http://hostedjobs.openhire.com/epostings/jobs/submit.cfm?fuseaction=dspjob&id=23&jobid=130527&company_id=15624&version=1&source=ONLINE&JobOwner=976367&level=levelid3&levelid3=18247&parent=St.%20Louis%20Corporate%20Headquarters%3B%3B%3BInformation%20Technology%3B%3B%3BSecurity&startflag=3&CFID=66851845&CFTOKEN=29a95-d12594d4-47d9-49e8-9067-1091bdf68e80</a></span><br /><br />Now here the same job posting spewing massive cookie data:<br /><br /><span style="font-style:italic;"><a href="http://hostedjobs.openhire.com/epostings/jobs/submit.cfm?fuseaction=dspjob&id=23&jobid=130527&company_id=15624&version=1&source=ONLINE&JobOwner=%22%3E%3CSCRIPT%3Ealert(document.cookie)%3C/SCRIPT%3E&level=levelid3&levelid3=18247&parent=St.%20Louis%20Corporate%20Headquarters;;;Information%20Technology;;;Security&startflag=3" target="_blank">http://hostedjobs.openhire.com/epostings/jobs/submit.cfm?fuseaction=dspjob&id=23&jobid=130527&company_id=15624&version=1&source=ONLINE&JobOwner=%22%3E%3CSCRIPT%3Ealert(document.cookie)%3C/SCRIPT%3E&level=levelid3&levelid3=18247&parent=St.%20Louis%20Corporate%20Headquarters;;;Information%20Technology;;;Security&startflag=3</a></span><br /><br />Screen shot offered below, as the code above will likely be repaired very soon by Openhire. I notified them this past Thursday.<br /><br /><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_kVOWaY1TAF0/SNcebDIT4JI/AAAAAAAAADA/2umzh0wbmmw/s1600-h/Scottrade_Openhire.png" target="_blank"><img style="cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_kVOWaY1TAF0/SNcebDIT4JI/AAAAAAAAADA/2umzh0wbmmw/s320/Scottrade_Openhire.png" border="0" alt=""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5248697340769067154" /></a><br /><br />It's bad enough when there's an application security hole in code someone else is hosting on your behalf, but what if your method of displaying said code is also at risk? Enter the Getty Images Jobs page.<br /><br /><span style="font-style:italic;"><a href="http://www.gettyimagesjobs.com/gettyImagesJobsDisplay.html?http://hostedjobs.openhire.com/epostings/jobs/submit.cfm?fuseaction=careeropps&startflag=0&company_id=15531&version=2&CFID=12265212&CFTOKEN=60213778" target="_blank">http://www.gettyimagesjobs.com/gettyImagesJobsDisplay.html?http://hostedjobs.openhire.com/epostings/jobs/submit.cfm?fuseaction=careeropps&startflag=0&company_id=15531&version=2&CFID=12265212&CFTOKEN=60213778</a></span><br /><br />Watch what happens when you pull the Openhire code. Can you say self-replicating frame loop from hell (in Firefox)? Trust me your browser will crash if you leave this running too long. This will likely be fixed soon, so if the URL doesn't work, the screen shot exemplifies the issue.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.gettyimagesjobs.com/gettyImagesJobsDisplay.html" target="_blank">http://www.gettyimagesjobs.com/gettyImagesJobsDisplay.html</a><br /><br /><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_kVOWaY1TAF0/SNcqO933d4I/AAAAAAAAADY/SSzLv3ZpiN0/s1600-h/GettyonGetty.png" target="_blank"><img style="cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_kVOWaY1TAF0/SNcqO933d4I/AAAAAAAAADY/SSzLv3ZpiN0/s320/GettyonGetty.png" border="0" alt=""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5248710327339022210" /></a><br /><br />What if, instead of Openhire's Getty Images page, or nothing at all (which obviously creates its own issue), we drop in an arbitrary URL?<br />Yep, you guessed it.<br /><span style="font-style:italic;"><br />http://www.gettyimagesjobs.com/gettyImagesJobsDisplay.html?http://www.xssed.com/news/26/Cross-site_framed/</span><br /><br /><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_kVOWaY1TAF0/SNcmqF3wQyI/AAAAAAAAADI/EhR6rYOmwlI/s1600-h/Getty_XSF.png" target="_blank"><img style="cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_kVOWaY1TAF0/SNcmqF3wQyI/AAAAAAAAADI/EhR6rYOmwlI/s320/Getty_XSF.png" border="0" alt=""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5248706395295990562" /></a><br /><br />Now, bringing it all home for double the pleasure, double the fun, what if we coupled the original Openhire cross-site scripting vuln with Getty Images cross-site frame vuln?<br /><br />It hurts twice as much, in my book.<br /><br /><span style="font-style:italic;">http://www.gettyimagesjobs.com/gettyImagesJobsDisplay.html?http://hostedjobs.openhire.com/epostings/jobs/submit.cfm?fuseaction=dspjob&id=23&jobid=130527&company_id=15624&version=1&source=ONLINE&JobOwner=%22%3E%3CSCRIPT%3Ealert(document.cookie)%3C/SCRIPT%3E&level=levelid3&levelid3=18247&parent=St.%20Louis%20Corporate%20Headquarters;;;Information%20Technology;;;Security&startflag=3</span><br /><br /><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_kVOWaY1TAF0/SNco1c6ensI/AAAAAAAAADQ/QaKByEFozTU/s1600-h/Getty%2BScottrade.png" target="_blank"><img style="cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_kVOWaY1TAF0/SNco1c6ensI/AAAAAAAAADQ/QaKByEFozTU/s320/Getty%2BScottrade.png" border="0" alt=""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5248708789483249346" /></a><br /><br />The lessons learned:<br />1) Ensure your partners are writing secure code on you behalf.<br />2) Ensure that the code you utilize to incorporate said partner's code is also well written. ;-)<br /><br />Double the headache, double the dumb.<br /><br /><a href="http://del.icio.us/post?url=http://holisticinfosec.blogspot.com/2008/09/xsf-xss-double-your-pleasure-double.html&title=XSF%20&%20XSS:%20Double%20your%20pleasure,%20double%20your%20fun " title="XSF & XSS: Double your pleasure, double your fun ">del.icio.us</a> | <a href="http://digg.com/submit?phase=2&amp;url=http://holisticinfosec.blogspot.com/2008/09/xsf-xss-double-your-pleasure-double.html" title="XSF & XSS: Double your pleasure, double your fun ">digg</a>]]></content:encoded>
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      <description><![CDATA[After some rousing introduction music, Marie Hatter , Vice President, Network Systems and Security Solutions Marketing / CMO of Cisco began her presentation on virtualization
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      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After some rousing introduction music, <a href="http://blogs.cisco.com/authors/bio/83" target="_blank">Marie Hatter</a>, Vice President, Network Systems and Security Solutions Marketing / CMO of Cisco began her presentation on virtualization.</p>
<p><strong>Introduction</strong></p>
<p>Virtualization is a word used by consumers and also by IT. But, do we all mean the same thing?</p>
<p>A very cool video from Cisco provided answers to &#8220;what is virtualization&#8221; from an  engineering perspective, data center perspective, IT perspective and the user perspective (virtual world).</p>
<p>Virtualization is about breaking the bonds between applications and server hardware, nodes and networks, applications and operating systems.</p>
<p>Why is this interesting? Virtualization holds the promise to transform the way we work, live, learn and play.</p>
<p><strong>Why virtualize?</strong></p>
<p>The real estate boom over the last 30 years has driven people to the suburbs. People didn&#8217;t mind commuting for an hour with lower gas prices. Today, we have a weak economy and gas prices are high. Something has to change.</p>
<p>Many are opting to stay at home. Businesses are trying out telecommuting, some (like Cisco) are even offering telepresence. This helps by reducing carbon footprint. Corporations are breaking free from physical requirements. The global workforce is also having an impact on the network. These changes are having a huge impact on the network.</p>
<p>We are on the cusp of transitioning from virtualization to VIRTUALIZATION.</p>
<p><strong>&#8220;One to many&#8230;.many to one.&#8221;</strong></p>
<p>This is Cisco&#8217;s idea of virtualization.</p>
<p>Consider the different roles we play in life - one to many. Spouse, executive, friend, parent, gym rat. This would be &#8220;one to many&#8221;. This is exactly what virtualization does. It allows you to partition resources off that you can use on the fly.</p>
<p><strong>Where do I start?</strong></p>
<p>Virtualization starts with server and storage. But, it&#8217;s the network that touches everything - it spans the physical, the virtual, and the cloud. This provides the connectivity to all these resources. The network brings transparency to the picture. It allows you to better monitor performance and better implement security - great benefits!</p>
<p><strong>Why do I need this?</strong></p>
<p>At Cisco, we saw that we were only using 20% of our storage utilization. We wanted to virtualize our datacenters. When we did that, we were able to get 68% storage utilization. For each year that we were able to defer buildup, we saved $40 million.</p>
<p>From a business standpoint, virtualization helps you differentiate and work faster. Provisioning in minutes, improved productivity and competitive differentiation, using less power (environmental impact), and up the ante of business continuity. If VMWare fails? It&#8217;s OK. You can reprovision it on the fly.</p>
<p><strong>Is it for everyone?</strong></p>
<p>IT organizations tend to be siloed. You have the IT side and the Operations side. Each has responsibility. For virtualization to work, these walls have to come down. The concept of virtualization depends on shared resources.</p>
<p><strong><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metcalfe%27s_law" target="_blank">Metcalfe&#8217;s Law of the Network</a> Effect</strong></p>
<p>Everytime you add a node to the network, you increase the value. This is what happens with virtualization. Every device you virtualize increases the power of each device. More control of environment and more efficiency.</p>
<p>This leads to&#8230;</p>
<p><strong>Cloud computing.</strong></p>
<p>Wow, show of hands from the audience when Marie asked &#8220;how many are using cloud computing?&#8221; and &#8220;how many are using your own clouds?&#8221; - not a lot of hands were raised. Interesting considering the coverage cloud computing has and the focus of it.</p>
<p>Cloud computing has three possibilities at Cisco:</p>
<ul>
<li>Flexible infrastructure (hosting)</li>
<li>Abstract services (APIs)</li>
<li>Application services (SaaS)</li>
</ul>
<p>Automation is going to be key, and will need to integrate virtualization-aware elements.</p>
<p>Can you imagine if you wanted interoperability in the cloud? People haven&#8217;t even begun thinking about it.</p>
<p><strong>Conclusion</strong></p>
<p>As you virtualize, your role will change. You will think more about strategy. But keep in mind these &#8220;minefields&#8221; of virtualization:</p>
<ul>
<li>Insufficient planning</li>
<li>Lack of standards</li>
<li>Weak security</li>
</ul>
<p>Security cannot be an afterthought. It has to be planned. We&#8217;ve seen new forms of malware, hypervisor attacks, and root kit infections.</p>
<p>As higher expectations from end users evolve, we&#8217;re becoming not server oriented, but SERVICE oriented.</p>
<p><strong>Tips:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>Think holistically</li>
<li>Consider IT culture - equipment and people</li>
</ul>
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      <title><![CDATA[VMWare is Better Than Microsoft]]></title>
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      <description><![CDATA[After barely surviving the VMworld registration process, my first session was From Hypervisors to VMware Infrastructure What Matters? or as I would have called it why VMware is so much better than...]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After barely surviving the <a href="http://www.vmworld.com/conferences/2008/" target="_blank">VMworld</a> registration process, my <a href="https://vmworld2008.wingateweb.com/scheduler/eventguide/publicScheduleByType.jsp?ts=1221517325133" target="_blank">first session</a> was “From Hypervisors to VMware Infrastructure – What Matters?” – or as I would have called it “why VMware is so much better than Microsoft…and if you don’t believe that we can help you make even more money on top of your already successful Microsoft business.” (I know, that title is way too long but quite descriptive.)</p>
<p>The session took place at the beginning of Partner Day. The “regular” conference sessions actually begin tomorrow. Today is spent focusing on partner issues and enablement.</p>
<p>The panel for this session included:</p>
<ul>
<li>Mark Chuang <small>Group Manager, Product Marketing, </small>VMware, Inc.</li>
<li>Kenon Owens <small>Staff Systems Engineer, </small>VMware, Inc.</li>
</ul>
<p>You have to remember that <a href="http://www.virtualization.info/2008/09/more-than-20-partners-announces-support.html" target="_blank">most of the Partners here</a> are not vendors like ScienceLogic, but big and small shops that are selling IT, networking and now virtualization solutions into end-customer environments. For these guys, understanding what virtualization partner programs and tools are at NetApp, for example, is very useful. And many of these companies are already selling Microsoft software and surrounding services for Microsoft products. So if you’re VMware, what’s the message to these partners in the face of the Microsoft juggernaut?</p>
<blockquote><p>Microsoft to partners: “You may not like to admit it, but you’re probably already in bed with us.”</p>
<p>VMware to partners: &#8220;Our hypervisor technology outperforms Hyper-V and Xen, especially at scale. And anyway, it’s not about the battle at the hypervisor. It’s about the V-services on top of the hypervisor – VMotion, Storage VMotion, DRS, etc.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Interesting and what we all already know, or think we know. The scale issue is an interesting one – too soon for <a href="http://blogs.technet.com/virtualization/archive/2008/09/12/pre-vmworld-check-out-hyper-v-server-and-live-migration-demos.aspx" target="_blank">Hyper-V</a> and who uses Xen? But also interestingly enough, no announcement or even talk about extending VMware management tools to other hypervisors. The point, as the VMware product marketing guy made a point of saying, is that the question they needed to answer used to be “Why Virtualization?” and now it’s “Why VMware?&#8221;.</p>
<p>One more tidbit – this survey run by VMware asking their customers:</p>
<p><strong>What are the top 6 apps you are running on VMware today</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>IIS</li>
<li><em>Apache</em></li>
<li>Active Directory</li>
<li>SQL Server</li>
<li>Sharepoint</li>
<li>Exchange</li>
<p><em></em></ul>
<p><strong>That means, 5 of 6 are Microsoft applications. </strong>Certainly it makes it even more challenging for VMware to navigate a path here.</p>
<p>The change since 2004 – would have talked about why virtualize. And now why VMware. (Duh.)</p>
<p>Talking to partners – many of which already have a successful Microsoft business. How VMware <a href="http://gigaom.com/2008/09/14/for-vmware-an-uncertain-future/" target="_blank">enhances your existing Microsoft business</a>.</p>
<p><strong>Top 6 apps running on VMware today (5 of 6 are Microsoft applications)</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>IIS</li>
<li><em>Apache</em></li>
<li>AD</li>
<li>Sql server</li>
<li>Sharepoint</li>
<li>Exchange</li>
</ul>
<p><em>Source: VMware survey</em></p>
<p>Esxi - VMware – true thin hypervisor; maximizes resources utilization (over 100% memory commitment – allows avg of 2:1 memory overcommit) – host system memory is usually the resource bottleneck – plus Advanced Scheduler runs VMs better under load and to a greater capacity (hard to show this part); performance acceleration – using binary translation (32bit), para-virtualization and Hardware Assist (for 64-bit)</p>
<p>(rvi – rapid virtualization indexing)</p>
<p>No parent partition that all hypervisors have to go through</p>
<p>Vs ms/xen</p>
<p>Parent partition – dom 0 =&gt; potentially problem at scale; i/o that could be a bottleneck</p>
<p>Hyper-v SPECjbb comparison</p>
<p>= 9 vms on VMware and hyper-v hypervisors</p>
<p>Outperform (CPU) by 50% - general purpose scheduler isn’t able to keep up? “got to be”</p>
<p>(cpu only test)</p>
<p>Also used VMmark – to demonstrate again that VMware is performance tuned and designed to run at scale vs Hyper-V</p>
<p>Size Does Matter:</p>
<p>Vmware ESXi: 32MB</p>
<p>Hyper-v – 2.6 GB</p>
<p>Xen – 1.2 GB</p>
<p>Hyper-V uses Microsoft Server Core – so the last two Patch Tuesdays had to make changes to Server Core (nothing to do with Hyper-V) but service interruption for Hyper-V.</p>
<p>VMware VMsafe – “Provides an unprecedented level of security” “virtual is more secure than Real” (uh oh – clearly didn’t read about the</p>
<p>*****************</p>
<p>VMware TEST:512 mb vms on server w/ 4gb ram –</p>
<p>7 vms - xensource (w/no memory overcommit)</p>
<p>6vms – hyper-v before error (w/no memory overcommit)</p>
<p>14vms - w/memory overcommit and management</p>
<p>Running sql io sim – heavy workloads</p>
<p>TCO – not just license; now ESXi is free – so hardware</p>
<p>809 - ESXi</p>
<p>871 – vi3 foundation ($995)</p>
<p>1168- vi3 enterprise ($5750)</p>
<p>1621 – hyper-v – 2x cost because of hw</p>
<p>Xen – 1618</p>
<p>Memory overcommit (89% in production vs. test/dev)</p>
<p>Survey – 37% of respondents at 2:1 RATIO OR HIGHER; real average is around 1.8: 1</p>
<p>*********************</p>
<p>This guy Mark sounds like a used car salesman:</p>
<p>“Always On, On Demand Data Center”</p>
<blockquote><p>Hypervisor is very important but what is more important are the v-services on top of this. Manage shared, pooled resources. “Value Above the Hypervisor”</p></blockquote>
<p>How does all this save “your customers” $$?</p>
<p><strong>VMotion – saves cost on planned maintenance: no more overtime, no more time scheduling maintenance windows (see cost framework below)</strong></p>
<p>10 (# of servers) x 6 (@ of updates) x [ (overtime cost 2hrs x $150/hr) + (scheduling downtime # of apps per server 15 x time spend scheduling per app 0.75 hr x $50/hr)] = $58,500</p>
<p>Same thing with using VMware Storage VMotion</p>
<p>Overtime cost + scheduling downtime + planning move + alternative tool cost - $68,750 (2.5 TeraBytes)</p>
<p><strong>The Value of High Availability</strong></p>
<p>- cost of lost business, lost work</p>
<p>- cost of lost productive time</p>
<p>4 hours of downtime x # of users per vm 10 x number of vms per host 15 x cost of user productive time $50/hr x failures per year in 10-host cluster 2 = $60K</p>
<p>(10 servers, 150 vms)</p>
<p><strong>SAVINGS (using enterprise version)</strong></p>
<p>Update management 149,760</p>
<p>HA 60K</p>
<p>DRS, VMotion Storage VMotion 187,250</p>
<p>808,259 – hw, power cooling, etc.</p>
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      <title><![CDATA[Another VMware Founder Leaves]]></title>
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      <description><![CDATA[Im getting a little depressed for my upcoming trip to Vegas next week. Instead of a festive party atmosphere, I fear VMworld (and especially the Partner Day on Monday) is going to consist of a bunch...]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img style="border-right: 0px; border-top: 0px; margin: 0px 10px 10px 0px; border-left: 0px; border-bottom: 0px" height="244" alt="Rosenblum_VMware" src="http://blog.sciencelogic.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/rosenblum-vmware.jpg" width="164" align="left" border="0"> I’m getting a little depressed for my upcoming trip to Vegas next week. Instead of a festive party atmosphere, I fear <a href="http://www.vmworld.com/conferences/2008/" target="_blank">VMworld</a> (and especially the Partner Day on Monday) is going to consist of a bunch of long faces on people wondering whether they should have gone to the <a href="https://www.getvirtualnow.com/main.aspx" target="_blank">Microsoft virtualization party</a> instead.
<p>Just a few months after CEO and founder <a href="http://blog.sciencelogic.com/diane-greene-ousted-from-vmware/07/2008">Diane Greene was ousted</a>, it <a href="http://www.virtualization.info/2008/09/mendel-rosenblum-co-founder-and-chief.html" target="_blank">comes as no surprise</a> that her <a href="http://virtualization.com/news/2008/09/09/mendel-rosenblum-vmware/" target="_blank">husband and co-founder</a>, <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/09/technology/09vmware.html?_r=1&amp;oref=slogin" target="_blank">Mendel Rosenblum, has also resigned</a> via a company wide message last night. Turns out he’s going back to Stanford to teach. What a lovely way to get out of the political mess VMware has become. Admit it, haven’t we all had a point where we get fed up with the latest work snafu and wondered, maybe I should go back to college and teach? I had a really good time in college… Kudos to Rosenblum for doing it and doing it in style.
<p>And if you believe <a href="http://www.tarrysingh.blogspot.com/2008/09/vmware-co-founder-mendel-rosenblum.html" target="_blank">Tarry Singh</a>, <a href="http://blog.scottlowe.org/2008/09/09/as-expected-rosenblum-leaves-vmware/" target="_blank">the company knew</a> this was going to happen but waited until after registrations were closed for VMworld before making it official. Hmm.
<p>From the New York Times, more on Greene’s firing and just <a href="http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/09/09/technology/09vmware.php" target="_blank">what kind of atmosphere</a> is forcing executives to leave VMware:<br />
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<p>After Ms. Greene made a special presentation to VMware’s board, Mr. Tucci, who heads VMware’s parent company, EMC, pulled her aside, according to people familiar with the events, who asked for anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss internal company decisions.
<p>Inviting Mendel Rosenblum, Ms. Greene’s husband and the co-founder of VMware, into the room, Mr. Tucci told Ms. Greene she was fired, effective immediately. And he said the board wanted Mr. Rosenblum, VMware’s chief scientist, to take her seat on the board. Mr. Rosenblum declined the offer.</p>
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<p>Honestly, what kind of a judgement call was made to first <a href="http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2008/09/09/rosenblum-leaves-vmware/" target="_blank">fire the man’s wife in front of him</a> and then offer him her board seat? Has Tucci never seen an episode of Survivor?</p>
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      <title><![CDATA[Full Disclosure and the Boston Farecard Hack]]></title>
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      <description><![CDATA[In eerily similar cases in the Netherlands and the United States, courts have recently grappled with the computer-security norm of &quot;full disclosure,&quot; asking whether researchers should be permitted to...]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In eerily similar cases in the Netherlands and the United States, courts have recently grappled with the computer-security norm of "full disclosure," asking whether researchers should be permitted to disclose details of a fare-card vulnerability that allows people to ride the subway for free.</p>

<p>The "Oyster card" used on the <a href="http://www.schneier.com/essay-229.html">London Tube</a> was at issue in the Dutch case, and a similar fare card used on the <a href="http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/08/injunction-requ.html">Boston "T"</a> was the center of the U.S. case. The Dutch court got it right, and the American court, in Boston, <a href="http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/08/computer-scient.html ">got it wrong</a> from the start -- despite facing an open-and-shut case of First Amendment prior restraint.</p>

<p>The U.S. court has since <a href="http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/08/federal-judge-t.html ">seen the error</a> of its ways -- but the damage is done. The MIT security researchers who were prepared to discuss their Boston findings at the DefCon security conference were <a href="http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/08/eff-to-appeal-r.html ">prevented</a> from giving their talk.</p>

<p>The <a href="http://www.schneier.com/essay-146.html">ethics</a> of <a href="http://www.schneier.com/crypto-gram-0111.html#1">full disclosure</a> are intimately familiar to those of us in the computer-security field.  Before full disclosure became the norm, researchers would quietly disclose vulnerabilities to the vendors -- who would routinely ignore them. Sometimes vendors would even threaten researchers with legal action if they disclosed the vulnerabilities. </p>

<p>Later on, researchers started disclosing the existence of a vulnerability but not the details.  Vendors responded by denying the security holes' existence, or calling them just theoretical.  It wasn't until full disclosure became the norm that vendors began consistently fixing vulnerabilities quickly.  Now that vendors routinely patch vulnerabilities, researchers generally give them advance notice to allow them to patch their systems before the vulnerability is published.  But even with this "responsible disclosure" protocol, it's the threat of disclosure that motivates them to patch their systems.  Full disclosure <a href="http://www.eff.org/files/filenode/MBTA_v_Anderson/letter081208.pdf">is the mechanism</a> (.pdf) by which computer security improves.</p>

<p>Outside of computer security, secrecy is much more the norm.  Some security communities, like locksmiths, behave much like medieval guilds, divulging the secrets of their profession only to those within it.  These communities <a href="http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-10002138-83.html?tag=mncol">hate</a> <a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2195862/">open</a> <a href="http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080711.wlpicking11/EmailBNStory/lifeMain/">research</a>, and have <a href="http://www.schneier.com/crypto-gram-0302.html#1">responded</a> with <a href="http://www.crypto.com/papers/kiss.html">surprising vitriol</a> to <a href="http://www.crypto.com/papers/flattery.html">researchers</a> who have found serious vulnerabilities in <a href="http://www.wired.com/culture/lifestyle/news/2004/09/64987">bicycle locks</a>, <a href="http://www.crypto.com/papers/safelocks.pdf">combination safes</a> (.pdf), <a href="http://www.crypto.com/masterkey.html">master-key systems</a> and <a href="http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/08/medeco-locks-cr.html">many</a> other <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lock_bumping">security devices</a>.  </p>

<p>Researchers have received a similar reaction from other communities more used to secrecy than openness.  Researchers -- sometimes <a href="http://compsci.ca/blog/lanschool-threatens-compscica-with-legal-actions/">young students</a> -- who discovered and published flaws in copyright-protection schemes, <a href="http://www.freedom-to-tinker.com/?p=1265">voting-machine security</a> and now wireless access cards have all suffered recriminations and sometimes lawsuits for not keeping the vulnerabilities secret.  When Christopher Soghoian created a website allowing people to print fake airline boarding passes, he got <a href="http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2006/11/forge_your_own.html">several unpleasant visits</a> from the FBI.</p>

<p>This preference for secrecy comes from confusing a vulnerability with information <em>about</em> that vulnerability.  Using <a href="http://www.schneier.com/crypto-gram-0205.html#1">secrecy as a security measure</a> is fundamentally fragile.  It assumes that the bad guys don't do their own security research.  It assumes that no one else will find the same vulnerability.  It assumes that information won't leak out even if the research results are suppressed.  These assumptions are all incorrect.</p>

<p>The problem isn't the researchers; it's the products themselves.  Companies will only design security as good as what their customers know to ask for.  Full disclosure helps customers evaluate the security of the products they buy, and educates them in how to ask for better security.  The Dutch court got it exactly right when it <a href="http://zoeken.rechtspraak.nl/resultpage.aspx?snelzoeken=true&searchtype=ljn&ljn=BD7578&u_ljn=BD7578">wrote</a>: "Damage to NXP is not the result of the publication of the article but of the production and sale of a chip that appears to have shortcomings."</p>

<p>In a world of forced secrecy, vendors make inflated claims about their products, vulnerabilities don't get fixed, and customers are no wiser.  Security research is stifled, and security technology doesn't improve.  The only beneficiaries are the bad guys.</p>

<p>If you'll forgive the analogy, the ethics of full disclosure parallel the ethics of not paying kidnapping ransoms.  We all know why we don't pay kidnappers: It encourages more kidnappings.  Yet in every kidnapping case, there's someone -- a spouse, a parent, an employer -- with a good reason why, in this one case, we should make an exception. </p>

<p>The reason we want researchers to publish vulnerabilities is because that's how security improves. But in every case there's someone -- the Massachusetts Bay Transit Authority, the locksmiths, an election machine manufacturer -- who argues that, in this one case, we should make an exception.</p>

<p>We shouldn't.  The benefits of responsibly publishing attacks greatly outweigh the potential harm. Disclosure encourages companies to build security properly rather than relying on shoddy design and secrecy, and discourages them from promising security based on their ability to threaten researchers.  It's how we learn about security, and how we improve future security.</p>

<p>This essay <a href="http://www.wired.com/politics/security/commentary/securitymatters/2008/08/securitymatters_0821">previously appeared</a> on Wired.com.</p>

<p>EDITED TO ADD (8/26):  Matt Blaze has a <a href="http://www.crypto.com/blog/security_through_restraining_orders/">good essay</a> on the topic.</p><div class="feedflare">
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