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      <title><![CDATA[A Diverse Portfolio of Fake Security Software - Part Fourteen]]></title>
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      <description><![CDATA[You didn't even think for a second that the supply of typosqutted domains serving packed and triple crypted to the point where the binary is not longer executing, fake security software domains is...]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<div style="text-align: left;"></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"></div><a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_wICHhTiQmrA/SS6gDFZUyYI/AAAAAAAACek/i5D-GnO-3xw/s1600-h/microav_rogue_november.png" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_wICHhTiQmrA/SS6gDFZUyYI/AAAAAAAACek/i5D-GnO-3xw/s200/microav_rogue_november.png" /></a>You didn't even think for a second that the supply of typosqutted domains serving packed and triple crypted to the point where the binary is not longer executing, fake security software domains is declining? With the upcoming holidays and the usual peak of web traffic, malicious activity on all fronts is prone to increase during December. <b>YEWGATE LTD</b>, <b>Sawert Alliance</b>, and <b>Sagent Group</b>, personal favorites affiliate participants in a revenue sharing program for serving fake security software, try to maintain a decent rhythm in their typosquatting process, always worth taking a peek at. The very latest rogue security software additions include :<br />
<br />
<b>micro-antiv2009 .com</b> (91.208.0.223)<br />
<b>micro-antivir2009 .com</b><br />
<b>micro-antivirus-2009 .com </b><br />
<b>micro-av-2009 .com</b><br />
<br />
<i>Sawert Alliance<br />
Peltonen Martti&nbsp; <b>seodancer@gmail.com</b><br />
33 New Road, Upper Flat<br />
Belize City<br />
Belize<br />
Tel: +7.9602578790</i><br />
<br />
<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_wICHhTiQmrA/SS6gYmAzMwI/AAAAAAAACes/C-aMLs7jDR0/s1600-h/spyware_remover_rogue_november.png" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_wICHhTiQmrA/SS6gYmAzMwI/AAAAAAAACes/C-aMLs7jDR0/s200/spyware_remover_rogue_november.png" /></a></div><b>avmyscan .com</b> (91.203.92.186; 78.157.143.184)<br />
<b>go-your-scan .com</b><br />
<b>bestproscan .com</b><br />
<b>avproscan .com</b><br />
<b>goyourscan .com</b><br />
<b>iabestscan .com</b><br />
<b>avmyscan .com</b><br />
<b>best-scan-pro .com</b><br />
<b>avscan-pro .com</b><br />
<b>bestscanner-pro .com</b><br />
<b>avscanpro .com</b><br />
<b>iascannerpro .com</b><br />
<br />
<i>Jaroslav Voltz<br />
Email: <b>mensfult@gmail.com</b><br />
Organization: Private person<br />
Address: Biskupsk 9<br />
City: Praha<br />
State: Praha<br />
ZIP: 11000<br />
Country: CZ<br />
Phone: +420.2224811382</i><br />
<br />
<div style="text-align: left;"></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"></div><a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_wICHhTiQmrA/SS6g2pEJdbI/AAAAAAAACe0/Xt2MaDdDgvk/s1600-h/sagent_group_rogue.png" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_wICHhTiQmrA/SS6g2pEJdbI/AAAAAAAACe0/Xt2MaDdDgvk/s200/sagent_group_rogue.png" /></a><b>virus-labs2009 .com</b> (66.232.113.62)<br />
<b>virus-trigger .com<br />
virusresponse2009 .com<br />
virusresplab .com<br />
virus-response .com</b><br />
<br />
<i>Roman Spitsikov<br />
Uus-Sadama 12&nbsp; <br />
Tallinn, Tallinn 10120<br />
Estonia<br />
<b>Roman.Spitsikov@gmail.com</b></i><br />
<br />
<b>virusremover2008plus .com</b> (77.245.61.80; 93.190.139.229)<br />
<br />
<i>Sagent Group&nbsp; (<b>sergbelo@gmail.com</b>)<br />
Brignal Solutions<br />
P.O. Box 3469 Geneva Place, Waterfront drive <br />
Road town,&nbsp;&nbsp; BVI<br />
BZ<br />
+1.14193017015</i><br />
<br />
<div style="text-align: left;"></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"></div><a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_wICHhTiQmrA/SS6g-80BKPI/AAAAAAAACe8/33Am0K6PBKI/s1600-h/sagent_group_rogue_2.png" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_wICHhTiQmrA/SS6g-80BKPI/AAAAAAAACe8/33Am0K6PBKI/s200/sagent_group_rogue_2.png" /></a><b>antivirus-pro-scan.com</b> (84.243.197.183)<br />
<b>anti-virus-defence.com</b><br />
<b>protection-livescan.com</b><br />
<br />
<i>Aleksey Kononov <b>cndomainz@yahoo.com</b></i><br />
<i>+74954538435 fax: +74954538435</i><br />
<i>ul. Yakimanskay 34-56</i><br />
<i>Moskva Moskovskay oblast 112745</i><br />
<i>ru</i><br />
<br />
<b>rapidantivir .com</b><b> </b>(91.208.0.220)<b><br />
rapidantivirus-2009 .com<br />
securityscanner2009 .com<br />
rapidantivirus2009 .com<br />
rapid-antivir .com<br />
extraantivir .com<br />
rapid-antivirus .com<br />
rapidantivirus .com</b><br />
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<div style="text-align: left;"></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"></div><a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_wICHhTiQmrA/SS6hQRW910I/AAAAAAAACfE/Z4g-Irniuz0/s1600-h/sqscan_rogue_november.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_wICHhTiQmrA/SS6hQRW910I/AAAAAAAACfE/Z4g-Irniuz0/s200/sqscan_rogue_november.JPG" /></a><i>Sawert Alliance<br />
Peltonen Martti&nbsp; <b>seodancer@gmail.com</b><br />
33 New Road, Upper Flat<br />
Belize City<br />
Belize<br />
Tel: +7.9602578790</i><br />
<br />
<b>sgscanner .com</b> (116.50.14.185)<br />
<b>sguardscan .com<br />
scansguard .com<br />
getsg2008 .com</b><br />
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<div style="text-align: left;"></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"></div><a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_wICHhTiQmrA/SS6hbmiwmxI/AAAAAAAACfM/XnmEK9R5m30/s1600-h/virus_response_rogue_november.png" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_wICHhTiQmrA/SS6hbmiwmxI/AAAAAAAACfM/XnmEK9R5m30/s200/virus_response_rogue_november.png" /></a><i>Vrenk Tihomil<br />
Email: <b>gray444371@gmail.com</b><br />
Organization: Private person<br />
Address: Kolodvorska 73, Sl3270 Lasko<br />
City: Lasko<br />
State: LaskoLasko<br />
ZIP: Sl1355<br />
Country: SI<br />
Phone: +386.14588324</i><br />
<br />
<b>adwaredeluxe .com</b> (64.40.118.8) (private whois)<br />
<b>antivirusadvanced .com<br />
antivirusadvance .com<br />
spydestroy .com<br />
spywareremoval .ws</b><br />
<br />
Shipping them in batches means exposing them in batches.<br />
<br />
<b>Related posts:</b><br />
<a href="http://ddanchev.blogspot.com/2008/11/diverse-portfolio-of-fake-security_12.html">A Diverse Portfolio of Fake Security Software - Part Thirteen</a><br />
<a href="http://ddanchev.blogspot.com/2008/11/diverse-portfolio-of-fake-security.html">A Diverse Portfolio of Fake Security Software - Part Twelve</a><br />
<a href="http://ddanchev.blogspot.com/2008/10/diverse-portfolio-of-fake-security_28.html">A Diverse Portfolio of Fake Security Software - Part Eleven</a><br />
<a href="http://ddanchev.blogspot.com/2008/10/diverse-portfolio-of-fake-security_22.html">A Diverse Portfolio of Fake Security Software - Part Ten</a><br />
<a href="http://ddanchev.blogspot.com/2008/10/diverse-portfolio-of-fake-security_16.html">A Diverse Portfolio of Fake Security Software - Part Nine</a><br />
<a href="http://ddanchev.blogspot.com/2008/10/diverse-portfolio-of-fake-security.html">A Diverse Portfolio of Fake Security Software - Part Eight</a><br />
<a href="http://ddanchev.blogspot.com/2008/09/diverse-portfolio-of-fake-security_30.html">A Diverse Portfolio of Fake Security Software - Part Seven</a><br />
<a href="http://ddanchev.blogspot.com/2008/09/diverse-portfolio-of-fake-security_24.html">A Diverse Portfolio of Fake Security Software - Part Six</a><br />
<a href="http://ddanchev.blogspot.com/2008/09/diverse-portfolio-of-fake-security.html">A  Diverse Portfolio of Fake Security Software - Part Five</a> <br />
<a href="http://ddanchev.blogspot.com/2008/08/diverse-portfolio-of-fake-security_25.html">A  Diverse Portfolio of Fake Security Software - Part Four</a><br />
<a href="http://ddanchev.blogspot.com/2008/08/diverse-portfolio-of-fake-security_20.html">A  Diverse Portfolio of Fake Security Software - Part Three</a><b> </b><br />
<a href="http://ddanchev.blogspot.com/2008/08/diverse-portfolio-of-fake-security.html">A  Diverse Portfolio of Fake Security Software - Part Two</a><br />
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      <source url="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/DanchoDanchevOnSecurityAndNewMedia/~3/467329268/diverse-portfolio-of-fake-security_27.html">A Diverse Portfolio of Fake Security Software - Part Fourteen</source>
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      <title><![CDATA[CLOUD COMPUTING - STORMY WEATHER?]]></title>
      <link>http://securityratty.com/article/197c984b8e2d41f0d4763ab1993fed11</link>
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      <description><![CDATA[Lots being written about the Cloud , most of it quite dark and gloomy . In fact Im surprised, that Hoff hasnt got a preso spooled up called The Toxic Cloud or something similarly ominous for his next...]]></description>
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<p>Lots being <strong><a href="http://techbuddha.wordpress.com/2008/08/29/saas-and-cloud-computing-change-the-cia-paradigm/">written</a></strong> about <strong><a href="http://lastinfirstout.blogspot.com/2008/10/cloud-outsourcing-moved-up-stack.html">the Cloud</a></strong>, most of it quite <a href="http://rationalsecurity.typepad.com/blog/2008/10/will-you-all-please-shut-up-about-securing-the-cloudno-such-thing.html#trackback">dark and gloomy</a>.  In fact I&#8217;m surprised, that Hoff hasn&#8217;t got a preso spooled up called &#8220;The Toxic Cloud&#8221; or something similarly ominous for his next speaking tour.<br />
That said, <strong><a href="http://www.economist.com/opinion/displayStory.cfm?source=hptextfeature&amp;story_id=12471098">the Economist does a great job distilling the issue</a></strong> into a simple statement -</p>
<blockquote><p>Cloud computing is a trade-off between sovereignty and efficiency.</p></blockquote>
<p>Let me ask you -  if you had to put your money on one of those horses, considering your average profit-preoccupied business, which would it be?  I&#8217;d put my bottom dollar on the thoroughbred named &#8220;Cost Center Reduction&#8221;, to place.</p>
<p><strong>WHO ARE WE TO STAND IN THE WAY OF &#8220;PROGRESS&#8221;?</strong></p>
<p>I&#8217;m always fond of Jack&#8217;s rule that the role of information risk management boils down to three deceptively simple premises:</p>
<ul>
<li>Reduce Risk.</li>
<li>Reduce Loss.</li>
<li>Create Operational Efficiencies.</li>
</ul>
<p>So it would seem antithetical to the charter of the Chief Security Officer to stand in the way of progress as embodied by &#8220;cloud computing&#8221; (not to mention dangerous to long-term job security).  And I think that this presents opportunities to discuss strategies for managing risk, strategies that aren&#8217;t too theoretical and have practical application (though actual &#8220;cloud&#8221; use by enterprises may be rare at this point).</p>
<p><strong>ON RISK REDUCTION IN THE CLOUD (or, How To Learn From the Shortcomings of PCI DSS)</strong></p>
<p>The good news is, there&#8217;s already a well-established model for managing the risk around outsourcing the processing of &#8220;confidential&#8221; information.  The bad news is, that model kinda sucks it.</p>
<p>The Payment Card Industry, known as the &#8220;PCI&#8221; or &#8220;<em>meal ticket</em>&#8221; to many in the industry, faced a similar problem with the introduction of GLBA.  As I see it (and I&#8217;m not at all close to the PCI, at all, so this is all just abstract soliloquy) the PCI had one of two choices when faced with the prospect of other people managing their sensitive information:</p>
<ol>
<li>Accept the *massive* amount of GLBA risk their business creates and spend a TON of money to build out the infrastructure (both process and IT) to manage the consumer data themselves (in conjunction with the banks, of course) and never have it grace the computing systems of the retailer.  <em><strong>Or,</strong></em></li>
<li>Transfer the GLBA risk down to the retailer and have them bear the majority of the risk (and cost of reducing risk to a level that might be tolerable to the US Government).</li>
</ol>
<p><span style="color: #999999;"><em>(<a href="http://www.mckeay.net/">Martin</a>, <span style="color: #333333;">you may recall our Twittering about PCI a while back.  This is the crux of my view on the subj.</span>)</em></span></p>
<p>Now fortunately, the CSO&#8217;s of the world are going to be a little more &#8220;invested&#8221; in protecting the information they are stewards over, and unlike the PCI, will remain primarily responsible for the C, I, &amp; A of the data in the Cloud.  The cool thing is, this actually presents a great opportunity to start building a meaningful model for co-management of risk!  In fact, we can take the PCI model of contractual risk transference but modify where it goes all wrong, and start working to create something better.  And we can start by euthanizing some faulty assumptions.</p>
<p><strong>JUST HOW INFORMATIVE IS PCI DSS?</strong></p>
<p>What might be <em><strong>the.greatest.mistake</strong></em> of the standards compliance mentality is the assumption of value for the past-state measurement.  That is, I believe that the CSO needs more than some &#8220;past-state&#8221; assurance in order to understand their risk.    If you look at the concept of &#8220;PCI compliance&#8221; it really is an examination of a past state of nature that is assumed to be relevant to current and future states.   Many people (myself included) are not at all convinced that this past-state is nearly as informative as those who mandate it&#8217;s measurement believe it to be.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not to condemn past-state measurements as completely non-informative,  they most certainly are useful.  It&#8217;s just that <em><strong>no self-respecting CSO sleeps well because they were deemed &#8220;PCI compliant&#8221;</strong></em> 10 months ago.  They sleep well because they have good visibility into current-state information and confidence in their strategy concerning future-state (based on that visibility and the outcomes of sound IRM models).</p>
<p><strong>MOVING PAST THE VULNERABILITY SCANNER INTO INTELLIGENCE AND WISDOM</strong></p>
<p>So realizing this new importance (to me, at least) concerning visibility and IRM models, I&#8217;m lead to the conclusion that if we are to manage risk in the Cloud, we&#8217;ll have to move beyond &#8220;PCI Compliance&#8221; or the concept that some regular &#8220;audit&#8221; of controls in place at the host is all we need to understand our ability to manage risk.  No, the CSO must have good information concerning current and probable future states.   This is that &#8220;visibility&#8221; I spoke of above.  In fact, we&#8217;ll need significant amounts of <em><strong>piercing, transparent</strong></em> visibility.  And in order to gain that visibility, our insight into Cloud Risk Management must include significant provisions for understanding a joint ability to Prevent/Detect/Respond as well as provisions for managing the risk that one of the participants won&#8217;t provide that visibility or ability via SLA&#8217;s and penalties . These SLA&#8217;s must be expressed in measurable terms (more visibility), and those metrics must have their roots in the things that help understand how we manage risk (those aforementioned IRM models).</p>
<p><strong>THE CLOUD COMPUTING SECURITY SILVER LINING (sorry couldn&#8217;t resist)</strong></p>
<p>As I mentioned earlier, I do see an opportunity to create insight.  The need for visibility and IRM models would allow us to create a &#8220;guidance&#8221; if you&#8217;ll allow me to use the term.  Not a standard or a &#8220;best practice&#8221; to audit by, but simply a reference document that says &#8220;if you&#8217;re going to put information on somebody else&#8217;s systems <em>and still hold some significant responsibility for that information</em>, here&#8217;s the considerations, why they are considerations, and how you might go about collaborating on the management of risk&#8221;.</p>
<p>And I think that if we undertake this journey, there is going to be a lot of growth and risk management innovation along the way.  But keen insights into what it means to manage risk will be necessary, and secure and forthright collaboration will be of absolute importance.</p>
<p>I say that last bit because, if these pundits are right about the utility of a hosted computing model - the Cloud will happen regardless of the CSO&#8217;s ability or desire to manage it.</p>
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      <source url="http://riskmanagementinsight.com/riskanalysis/?p=496">CLOUD COMPUTING - STORMY WEATHER?</source>
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      <title><![CDATA[Real-Time OSINT vs Historical OSINT in Russia/Georgia Cyberattacks]]></title>
      <link>http://securityratty.com/article/20a44f5ecd81be809dacc26141c04b6b</link>
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      <description><![CDATA[The original real-time OSINT analysis of the Russian cyberattacks against Georgia conducted on the 11th of August, not only closed the Russia vs Georgia cyberwar case for me personally, but also, once...]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<div style="text-align: left;"></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"></div><a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_wICHhTiQmrA/SPfiGY9ParI/AAAAAAAACT4/qFAdE-rdQZs/s1600-h/georgia_ddos13.JPG.png" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_wICHhTiQmrA/SPfiGY9ParI/AAAAAAAACT4/9N9uGXoRSB4/s200-R/georgia_ddos13.JPG.png" /></a>The original <a href="http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=1670">real-time OSINT analysis of the Russian cyberattacks against Georgia</a> conducted on the 11th of August, not only closed the Russia vs Georgia cyberwar case for me personally, but also, once again proved that real-time OSINT is invaluable compared to <a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/6967393/Project-Grey-Goose-Phase-I-Report">historical OSINT using a commercial social network visualization/data mining tool</a> which cannot and will never be able to access the Dark Web, accessible only through real-time <a href="http://ddanchev.blogspot.com/2006/09/cyber-intelligence-cyberint.html">CYBERINT practices</a>.<br />
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<div style="text-align: left;"></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"></div><a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_wICHhTiQmrA/SPyTGJhYQJI/AAAAAAAACUI/P3h69SzYPm8/s1600-h/georgia_ddos_botnet_cc.png" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_wICHhTiQmrA/SPyTGJhYQJI/AAAAAAAACUI/LwvYHvdpiFQ/s200-R/georgia_ddos_botnet_cc.png" /></a>The value of real-time OSINT in such <a href="http://ddanchev.blogspot.com/2007/10/peoples-information-warfare-concept.html">people's information warfare cyberattacks</a> -- with <a href="http://ddanchev.blogspot.com/2008/04/chinese-hacktivists-waging-peoples.html">Chinese hacktivists</a> perfectly aware of the <a href="http://ddanchev.blogspot.com/2008/04/ddos-attack-against-cnncom.html">meaning of the phrase</a> -- relies on the relatively lower operational security (OPSEC) the initiators of a particular campaign apply at the beginning, so that it would scale faster and attract more participants. What the Russian government was doing is fueling the (cyber) fire - literally, since all it takes for a collectivist socienty's cyber militia to organize, is a "call for action" which was taking place at the majority of forums, with the posters of these messages apparently using a spamming application to achieve better efficiency.<br />
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<a href="http://intelfusion.net/wordpress/?p=430">The results</a> from 56 days of <a href="http://intelfusion.net/wordpress/?p=398">Project Grey Goose</a> in action got published last week, a project <a href="http://ddanchev.blogspot.com/2008/09/summarizing-augusts-threatscape.html">I discussed back in August</a>, point out to the bottom of the food chain in the entire campaign - <b>stopgeorgia.ru</b> :<br />
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<a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_wICHhTiQmrA/SPfkXQ-08xI/AAAAAAAACUA/qd9xv7kt2Qw/s1600-h/georgia_ddos8.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_wICHhTiQmrA/SPfkXQ-08xI/AAAAAAAACUA/dnYU_GbeEnw/s200-R/georgia_ddos8.JPG" /></a>"<i>Furthermore, coming up with <a href="http://intelfusion.net/wordpress/?p=398">Social Network analysis of the cyberattacks</a> would produce nothing more but a few fancy graphs of over enthusiastic Russian netizen's distributing the static list of the targets. The real conversations, as always, are <a href="http://blogs.nyu.edu/blogs/agc282/zia/2008/08/intelfusions_sna_of_russian_cy.html">happening in the "Dark Web" limiting the possibilities for open source intelligence</a> using a data mining software. Things changed, OPSEC is slowly emerging as a concept among malicious parties, whenever some of the "calls for action" in the DDoS attacks were posted at mainstream forums, they were immediately removed so that they don't show up in such academic initiatives</i>"<br />
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So what's the bottom line? Nothing that I haven't already pointed out back in August : "<a href="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/securityfix/2008/10/report_russian_hacker_forums_f.html">Report: Russian Hacker Forums Fueled Georgia Cyber Attacks</a>" :<br />
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"<i>But experts say evidence suggests that Russian officials did little to discourage the online assault, which was coordinated through a Russian online forum that appeared to have been prepped with target lists and details about Georgian Web site vulnerabilities well before the two countries engaged in a brief but deadly ground, sea and air war."</i>  <br />
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<a href="http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&amp;articleId=9117439&amp;source=NLT_PM&amp;nlid=8">Some more comments</a> :<br />
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"<i>Just because there was no smoking gun doesn't mean there's no connection," said Jeff Carr, the principal investigator of Project Grey Goose, a group of around 15 computer security, technology and intelligence experts that investigated the August attacks against Georgia. "I can't imagine that this came together sporadically," he said. "I don't think that a disorganized group can coalesce in 24 hours with its own processes in place. That just doesn't make sense.</i>"<br />
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<div style="text-align: left;"></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"></div><a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_wICHhTiQmrA/SPyW6yXyA5I/AAAAAAAACUQ/roWip-fqbeE/s1600-h/georgia_packet_clearing_house.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_wICHhTiQmrA/SPyW6yXyA5I/AAAAAAAACUQ/7oAwAggiAKE/s200-R/georgia_packet_clearing_house.jpg" /></a>It wouldn't make sense if this was the first time Russian hacktivists are maintaining the same rhythm as real-life events - <a href="http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=1408">which of course isn't</a>.<br />
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Moreover, exactly what would have constituted a "smoking gun" proving that the Russian government was involved in the campaign, remains unknown -- I'm still sticking to my comment regarding <a href="http://georgiaupdate.gov.ge/doc/10006744/CYBERWAR-%20fd_2_new.pdf">the web site defacement creative</a>. If they truly wanted to compromise themselves, they would have cut Georgia off the Internet, at least from the perspective offered by this graph courtesy of the <a href="http://www.pch.net/">Packet Clearing House</a> speaking for their dependability on Russian ISPs. <br />
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As for <a href="http://ddanchev.blogspot.com/2007/10/empowering-script-kiddies.html">the script kiddies</a> at <b>stopgeorgia.ru</b>, <a href="http://74.125.39.104/search?hl=en&amp;q=cache%3Astopgeorgia.ru%2F%3Fpg%3Dser&amp;aq=f&amp;oq=">they were informed enough to feature my research into their "negative public comments section"</a>. To sum up - the "DoS battle stations operational in the name of the "<i><a href="http://www.alexandrasamuel.com/dissertation/pdfs/Samuel-Hacktivism-entire.pdf">Please, input your cause</a></i>" mentality is always going to be there.<b><br />
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      <title><![CDATA[Fake Windows XP Activation Trojan Wants Your CVV2 Code]]></title>
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      <description><![CDATA[In a self-contradicting social engineering attempt, a malware author is offering to sale a ( updated version of Kardphisher) DIY fake Windows XP activation builder, which despite the fact that it...]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<div style="text-align: left;"></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"></div><a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_wICHhTiQmrA/SOqbO7J3tvI/AAAAAAAACPg/YNDy4vo817c/s1600-h/fake_windows_xp_activation1.png" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_wICHhTiQmrA/SOqbO7J3tvI/AAAAAAAACPg/BYpcW4rkU0o/s200-R/fake_windows_xp_activation1.png" /></a>In a self-contradicting social engineering attempt, a malware author is offering to sale a (<a href="http://www.symantec.com/security_response/writeup.jsp?docid=2007-042705-0108-99">updated version</a> of Kardphisher) DIY fake Windows XP activation builder, which despite the fact that it claims "<i>We will ask for your billing details, but your credit card will NOT be charged</i>", is requesting and remotely uploading all the credit card details required for a successfully credit card theft.<br />
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Perhaps among the main reasons why such simplistic social engineering attempts never scaled in a "malicious economies of scale" approach, is because sophisticated crimeware kits capable of obtaining the very same data automatically, started leaking for everyone to start taking advantage of - including yesterday's cybercriminals using such DIY fake message builders. <br />
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<div style="text-align: left;"></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"></div>Moreover, according to <a href="http://news.ncsu.edu/news/2008/09/wmswogalterfakemessage.php">recently reseased survey results</a>, end users cannot distinguish between fake popups and real ones, and on their way to continue doing what they were doing, click OK on that pesky warning message telling them that they're about to get infected with malware. Taking into consideration the fact that the popup windows the researchers used look like cheap creative compared to the average fake security software's layout high quality GUIs, it is perhaps worth restating your research questions with something in the lines of - <b>What motivates end users to install an antivirus application going under the name of Super Antivirus 2009 or Mega Virus Cleaner 2008?</b> The fact that the fake status bar is telling them that they're infected with 47 spyware cookies, or the fact that they ended up at the fake site while browsing their trusted web services? <br />
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<a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_wICHhTiQmrA/SOqf_xbxL7I/AAAAAAAACPo/6uvXj2AuS_A/s1600-h/fake_windows_xp_activation2.png" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_wICHhTiQmrA/SOqf_xbxL7I/AAAAAAAACPo/fa1jUBjFGOU/s200-R/fake_windows_xp_activation2.png" /></a>The increase of <a href="http://ddanchev.blogspot.com/2008/09/diverse-portfolio-of-fake-security_30.html">rogue security software domains</a> is happening due to the high payout affiliation based model, the standardized creative allowing the participants to come up with their own fake names if they want to, and due to the fact that the fake security threats scareware approach seems to be perfectly taking advantage of the overall suspicion on the effectiveness of their legitimate security software.<div class="feedflare">
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      <title><![CDATA[A Diverse Portfolio of Fake Security Software - Part Seven]]></title>
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      <description><![CDATA[In case you haven't heard - Microsoft and the Washington state are suing a U.S based -- naturally -- &quot;scareware&quot; vendor Branch Software

We won't tolerate the use of alarmist warnings or deceptive...]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<div style="text-align: left;"></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"></div><a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_wICHhTiQmrA/SOKKvX_5seI/AAAAAAAACMw/V5DqP_zsvuk/s1600-h/lawsuit_got_one.gif" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" height="161" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_wICHhTiQmrA/SOKKvX_5seI/AAAAAAAACMw/FVk3TrvBJIo/s200-R/lawsuit_got_one.gif" width="200" /></a>In case you haven't heard - <a href="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/securityfix/2008/09/microsoft_washington_state_tar.html">Microsoft and the Washington state</a> are suing a U.S based -- naturally -- "scareware" vendor Branch Software :<br />
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"<i>We won't tolerate the use of alarmist warnings or deceptive 'free scans' to  trick consumers into buying software to fix a problem that doesn't even exist,"  Washington <b style="font-weight: normal;">Attorney General Rob McKenna</b> said. <b>"We've repeatedly  proven that Internet companies that prey on consumers' anxieties are within our  reach.</b></i><b>"</b><br />
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Sadly, Branch Software is the tip of the iceberg on the top of the affiliates participating in different affiliation based programs, which similar to <a href="http://ddanchev.blogspot.com/2008/03/cybersquatting-security-vendors-for.html">IBSOFTWARE CYPRUS</a> and <a href="http://ddanchev.blogspot.com/2008/04/cybersquatting-symantecs-norton.html">Interactivebrands</a>, which I've been tracking down for a while, are the aggregators of scareware<b><span style="font-weight: normal;"> that popped up on the radars due to their extensive portfolios. These three companies offering software bundles or plain simple fake software, are somewhere in between the food chain of this ecosystem, with the real vendors paying out the commissions on a per installation basis slowly starting to issue invitation codes that they've distributed only across invite-only forums/sections of particular forums.</span></b><br />
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Behind these brands is everyone that is participating in the franchise and is putting personal efforts into monetizing the high payout rates that the fake security software vendor is paying for successful installation. These high payout rates -- with the financing naturally coming straight from other criminal activities online -- are in fact so high, that I can easily say that the last two quarters we've witnesses the largest increase of such domains ever, and they're only heating up since the typosquatting possibilities are countless and they seem to know that as well.<br />
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It's important to point out that their business model of acquiring traffic is outsourced to all the affiliates that do the blackhat SEO, SQL injections, web sessions hijacking of malware infected hosts in order to monetize, so basically, you have an affiliates network whose actions are directly driving the growth into all these areas. Throwing money into the underground marketplace as a "financial injection", is proving itself as a growth factor, and incentive for innovation on behalf of all the participants.<br />
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Here are some of the most recent fake security software domains, a "deja vu" moment with a known RBN domain from a "previous life" that is also parked at one of the servers, and evidence that typosquatting for fraudulent purposes is still pretty active with a dozen of Norton Antivirus related domains, some of which have already started issuing "fake security notices" by brandjacking the vendor for traffic acquisition purposes.<br />
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<b>Antivirus-Alert .com </b>(203.117.111.47) where<b> pepato .org</b> a domain that was used in the <a href="http://ddanchev.blogspot.com/2008/03/wiredcom-and-historycom-getting-rbn-ed.html">Wired.com and History.com IFRAME injections</a>, which back in March was also hosted at Hostfresh (58.65.238.59).<br />
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<b>softload2008name .com</b> (78.157.143.250)<br />
<b>softload2008nm .com<br />
softload2008n .com<br />
softload2008jq .com</b><br />
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<b>microantivir-2009 .com</b> (91.208.0.223)<br />
<b>scanner.microantivir-2009 .com<br />
microantivir2009 .com<br />
microantivirus-2009 .com<br />
microantivirus2009 .com</b><br />
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<b>ms-scan .com</b> (91.208.0.228)<br />
<b>msscanner .com</b><br />
<b>ms-scanner .com</b><br />
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<b>Personalantispy .com</b> (93.190.139.197)<br />
<b>freepcsecure .com<br />
quickinstallpack .com<br />
quickdownloadpro .com<br />
advancedcleaner .com<br />
performanceoptimizer .com<br />
internetanonymizer .com</b><br />
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<b>ieprogramming .com</b> (92.62.101.83)<br />
<b>uptodatepage .com<br />
fileliveupdate .com<br />
qwertypages .com<br />
sharedupdates .com<br />
ierenewals .com</b><br />
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<div style="text-align: left;"></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"></div><a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_wICHhTiQmrA/SOKZEpXlfhI/AAAAAAAACM4/eJI5I5BgGoQ/s1600-h/norton_alert.png" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_wICHhTiQmrA/SOKZEpXlfhI/AAAAAAAACM4/Rpjz8LY4LEQ/s200-R/norton_alert.png" /></a><b>norton-antivirus-alert .com<br />
norton-anti-virus-2007 .com <br />
norton-antivirus-2007 .com <br />
norton-antivirus2007 .com <br />
nortonantivirus2007 .com <br />
norton-antivirus-2008 .com <br />
nortonantivirus2008 .com <br />
nortonantivirus2008freedownload .com <br />
norton-antivirus-2009 .com <br />
nortonantivirus2009 .com <br />
norton-antivirus-2010 .com <br />
nortonantivirus2010 .com <br />
nortonantivirus360 .com <br />
nortonantivirus8 .com <br />
nortonantivirusa .com <br />
nortonantivirusactivation .com <br />
norton-antivirus-alert .com <br />
nortonantivirusalerts .com <br />
norton--anti-virus .com <br />
norton-anti-virus .com <br />
norton-antivirus .com <br />
nortonanti-virus .com <br />
nortonantivirus.com <br />
nortonantiviruscom .com <br />
nortonantiviruscorporate .com <br />
nortonantiviruscorporateedition .com <br />
nortonantiviruscoupon .com <br />
nortonantivirusdefinition .com <br />
nortonantivirusdefinitions .com <br />
nortonantivirusdirect .com</b><br />
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Fake Antivirus Inc. is not going away as long as the affiliate based model remains active. If the real vendors were greedy enough not to share the revenues with others, they would have been the one popping up on the radar, compared to the situation where it's the affiliate network's participations greed that's increasing their visibility online.<br />
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<b>Related posts:</b><br />
<a href="http://ddanchev.blogspot.com/2008/09/diverse-portfolio-of-fake-security_24.html">A Diverse Portfolio of Fake Security Software - Part Six</a><br />
<a href="http://ddanchev.blogspot.com/2008/09/diverse-portfolio-of-fake-security.html">A  Diverse Portfolio of Fake Security Software - Part Five</a> <br />
<a href="http://ddanchev.blogspot.com/2008/08/diverse-portfolio-of-fake-security_25.html">A  Diverse Portfolio of Fake Security Software - Part Four</a><br />
<a href="http://ddanchev.blogspot.com/2008/08/diverse-portfolio-of-fake-security_20.html">A  Diverse Portfolio of Fake Security Software - Part Three</a><b> </b><br />
<a href="http://ddanchev.blogspot.com/2008/08/diverse-portfolio-of-fake-security.html">A  Diverse Portfolio of Fake Security Software - Part Two</a><br />
<a href="http://ddanchev.blogspot.com/2007/12/diverse-portfolio-of-fake-security.html">Diverse  Portfolio of Fake Security Software</a> <br />
<a href="http://ddanchev.blogspot.com/2008/04/cybersquatting-symantecs-norton.html">Cybersquatting Symantec's Norton AntiVirus</a><br />
<a href="http://ddanchev.blogspot.com/2008/03/cybersquatting-security-vendors-for.html">Cybersquatting Security Vendors for Fraudulent Purposes</a><br />
<a href="http://ddanchev.blogspot.com/2008/08/fake-porn-sites-serving-malware-part.html">Fake  Porn Sites Serving Malware - Part Three</a><br />
<a href="http://ddanchev.blogspot.com/2008/07/fake-porn-sites-serving-malware-part.html">Fake  Porn Sites Serving Malware - Part Two</a><br />
<a href="http://ddanchev.blogspot.com/2008/06/fake-porn-sites-serving-malware.html">Fake  Porn Sites Serving Malware</a><br />
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      <title><![CDATA[Wakeup Call for Risk Management]]></title>
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<p>With the crisis in financial markets still unfolding, it is important to draw what lessons we can from the experience. Since the roots of the crisis lie in a monumental failure of risk management, it’s important to understand more about what happened, and then draw some parallels to our business risk management and&nbsp; IT risk management situations.</p>

<p>The risk management failure in the housing market and on Wall Street had multiple interdependent dimensions:</p>

<ul><li><strong>Mortgage lenders abandoned long standing prudent loan practices</strong>. They made too many loans that buyers might not be able to repay. Exotic instruments like ARMs, option ARMs, and interest only loans proliferated. In many cases, all pretense of lending standards were abandoned, so-called “liar loans” approved.</li>

<li><strong>Capital was grossly over-leveraged</strong>. Mortgage lenders and other financial services packaged loans into securities, which they sold to raise capital to support more lending. Real capital reserve requirements to back loans were reduced. Of course, if borrowers could not repay loans, all or parts of the derivative securities would become worthless.</li>

<li><strong>Risk was aggregated at Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, and mortgage loan insurance companies</strong>. These companies bought or insured some mortgage loans, providing something of a backstop should loans fail. Government sponsored enterprises (GSEs) Fannie and Freddie in turn became over-leveraged and securities that they sold were in turn repackaged in the murky brew of mortgage-backed securities called collateralized debt obligations (CDOs) and other exotic instruments returning generous yields. </li>

<li><strong>Non-Caveat Emptor.</strong> Institutional wealth funds and financial services firms who should have known better bought securities that had been deliberately structured to obfuscate risk. They bought securities they didn’t understand with buried tranches of toxic subprime loans..</li></ul>

<p>It was a great Ponzi scheme – one that kept working as long as housing prices were going up; the recipients of subprime loans could always flip that house to the next buyer. Everyone made money. As Chuck Prince of Citigroup famously put it during <a href="http://search.ft.com/ftArticle?sortBy=gadatearticle&amp;queryText=chuck+prince+dancing&amp;y=0&amp;aje=true&amp;x=0&amp;id=070710000610&amp;ct=0&amp;page=6&amp;nclick_check=1">a July, 2007 interview</a>: “So long as the music is playing, you’ve got to keep dancing. We’re still dancing.” But one month later, the music stopped. Since then, Citigroup and other financial institutions have taken massive writeoffs with more to come. Wall Street titans like Bear Sterns, Lehman Brothers, Merrill Lynch, and AIG have fallen or been bought out.</p>

<p>What can we learn from this risk management debacle?</p>

<p>As business risk managers and investors, we should ask questions like these:</p>

<ul><li><strong>Does the executive incentive structure of the company encourage managers to dance around risk?</strong> Many Wall Street firms paid senior managers 5 times their salary in bonuses tied to annual growth alone.</li>

<li><strong>Is the company over-leveraged?</strong> Is it borrowing too much money and betting it on ventures with uncertain outcomes?</li>

<li><strong>Are financial models used for risk management realistic?</strong> Earlier, I described the mortgage market of the past few years as a Ponzi scheme, where risk management models must have assumed prices would keep rising. Unlike the dotcom boom whose demise many predicted, very few in the industry foresaw the sharp declines to come in housing prices and sales volumes. Historically, the U.S. housing market has been a steadily rising one, but on the other hand the 2000s saw unprecedented rates of price increases. In reality, what goes up must come down. </li>

<li><strong>Has your company’s risk council ever performed worst case scenario analysis and built adequate reserves?</strong> In the days before economics emerged as a would-be “hard” deterministic science, business leaders may have been more cautious, more aware of and more accepting of uncertainty. Events like the Great Tulip Bubble came once in decades or centuries – not every few years. Note that legendary investor George Soros has proposed a Theory of Reflexivity that, if true, helps explain the recent extremes of boom and bust cycles. This theory holds that market participants model market behaviors based on self-interest, and for a time, their manipulations change the reality of the market – until gravitational forces bring it back to earth. Has the music of ephemeral success played to the backbeat of deterministic-sounding economic models gone to your heads and infected your risk management models? </li>

<li><strong>Are cost cutting efforts pursued blindly?</strong> Outsourcing and other forays into treacherous global waters may be giving away the crown jewels. Smart companies cut costs, but they do it in smart ways. Smart companies think like intelligence agencies as they parcel out work to different partners with varying levels of dependability, and they check on those partners.</li></ul>

<p>Risk management failures can also occur at the more technical level of IT security. As IT risk managers, we might ask questions like these:</p>

<ul><li><strong>Are the accounting and financial systems your IT department supports under adequate control?</strong> As Fred Cohen wrote in <a href="http://www.burtongroup.com/Client/Research/Document.aspx?cid=750">one of our documents</a>: “Many companies use computers to manage financial systems, and despite the Sarbanes-Oxley Act (SOX) claims about accounts being properly kept, there are many attacks on financial systems that remain. For example, most of the largest financial systems in the world running on common financial databases do not use <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-entry_bookkeeping">double-entry bookkeeping</a> and are thus susceptible to all manner of frauds by insiders.” We find it troubling that a prudent control dating back to the 12th century is going out of style in the name of convenience and cost cutting. Kind of like credit checking became anachronistic during the housing bubble, eh?</li>

<li><strong>Is the “separation” in your “separation of duty” (SoD) for real?</strong> Sure the SOX auditors are looking for SoD, and maybe you have different administrators with different accounts maintaining different systems or functions. But when they say Western civilization may be but one weak password from collapse they’re not lying. Look what happened to Sarah Palin’s email account! Weak and straggly SoD is a problem across all critical IT systems where deperimiterization and server consolidation may be bringing down protective barriers, identity management is weak, and strong process controls (e.g., where two people must sign on, one perform a critical operation such as backbone router reconfiguration, and the second observe) abandoned in the name of expediency. </li>

<li><strong>Are risks being aggregated to unacceptable levels in centralized control systems?</strong> There are many ways that risks aggregate within enterprise IT infrastructures as we pursue automation and cost cutting. Network risks aggregate when centralized domain name system control is implemented. Application risks aggregate when common infrastructure is shared among applications. And enterprises aggregate platform risks when they use low-assurance endpoints, authentication, and directory systems with single sign-on to access large numbers of resources and don’t separate high consequence systems. </li>

<li><strong>Non-caveat emptor:</strong> Has IT security really done the worst case consequence analysis, attack graphs, and vulnerability analysis to know when putting more eggs in a supposedly stronger basket aggregates risks to an unacceptable level? Or are you depending only on vendor claims about some black box appliance equivalent of a risk-obfuscated CDO security? Caveat emptor (buyer beware) again! (The good news is we’ll keep talking about promoting vendor and product rating systems so you don’t have to do all the detailed product analysis yourself, but that’s another post.)</li></ul>

<p>There are many parallels between the monumental risk management failure in the financial markets, and the probable weaknesses in our day to day business risk management and IT risk management. Abandonment of prudent practices for profit; excessive leverage and centralization; ill-constructed risk analysis models; risk obfuscation; and a failure of caveat emptor seem to be common problems. Please take this as a wakeup call to sharpen up the risk management thinking, process, and execution.</p></div>
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      <title><![CDATA[Customers Being Heard Dell OEM Customer Advisory Council]]></title>
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      <description><![CDATA[It was a surprise and a great honor when Dell asked us to participate on their Industry Solutions Group (ISG) OEM Customer Advisory Council even more so when I met some of the other members from...]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img style="border-top-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; margin: 0px 10px 10px 0px; border-right-width: 0px" height="234" alt="dell" src="http://blog.sciencelogic.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/dell.jpg" width="240" align="left" border="0"> It was a surprise and a great honor when Dell asked us to participate on their <a href="http://www.dell.com/content/topics/global.aspx/sitelets/solutions/industry_application/oem_solutions/oem_industry_solutions_group?c=us&amp;cs=555&amp;l=en&amp;s=biz&amp;redirect=1" target="_blank">Industry Solutions Group (ISG) OEM Customer Advisory Council</a> – even more so when I met some of the other members from companies like Google, Teradata, Siemens Medical and Cisco. Not so shabby.</p>
<p>I arrived in Austin Sunday night to get ready for a factory tour on Monday, a kickoff dinner and then two days of briefings from Dell executives, including Michael Dell himself! Dell’s ISG business is growing at a very fast pace and continues to build momentum and focus within the broader organization.</p>
<p>We had a nice <a href="http://www.lockergnome.com/blade/2008/08/02/microsoft-has-oems-adding-defender-one-care-to-pcs/" target="_blank">overview of the product roadmap</a>, including some of the exciting enhancements Dell is making to their <a href="http://gigaom.com/2008/09/04/pc-makers-give-storage-startups-a-boost/" target="_blank">storage products</a> <a href="http://blogs.smugmug.com/don/2007/10/01/dell-md3000-great-das-db-storage/" target="_blank">such as the MD3000</a> and the new <a href="http://jpowell.blogs.com/jason_powell_church_it/2008/04/equallogic-app.html" target="_blank">EqualLogic PS5000 series iSCSI</a> solutions.</p>
<p>I really enjoyed the Council meeting and it reminds me all over again; what I admire about Dell is the way they and Michael Dell himself stay close to the customer. The entire purpose of this event is to “get it right” and determine meaningful ways to embrace change (including change in the manufacturing process) in order to make their customers more successful. Ah shucks, you may say that all companies behave this way… well I must tell you that is not true and at times, I find it difficult as we continue to grow to stay as close as I would like to all of our customers varying needs and directions.</p>
<p><img style="border-right: 0px; border-top: 0px; margin: 0px 10px 10px 0px; border-left: 0px; border-bottom: 0px" height="228" alt="Ideastorm" src="http://blog.sciencelogic.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/ideastorm1.jpg" width="456" border="0"> </p>
<p>This concept of <a href="http://www.briansolis.com/2008/07/comcast-cares-and-why-your-business.html" target="_blank">gathering, internalizing and embracing customer feedback is a simple principle</a> of Business Success stories. <a href="http://www.beingpeterkim.com/2008/09/ive-been-thinki.html" target="_blank">Always trying to improve</a> the pace of change and build meaningful sticky relationships with customers. Dell’s very successful <a href="http://www.dellideastorm.com/" target="_blank">Ideastorm</a> site where customers post <a href="http://www.pronetadvertising.com/articles/how-richard-binhammer-is-changing-the-face-of-dell-online34379.html" target="_blank">product feedback and are active participants</a> in the Dell community is a <a href="http://www.bloggingstocks.com/2008/07/07/how-dell-can-leap-ahead-in-consumer-laptop-sales/" target="_blank">great example of how to do this right</a>. No other hardware vendor that we have worked with or attempted to work with has ever gone to the extent of embracing change that Dell has during our 5-year relationship.</p>
<p>From the custom factory integration services to the attention to detail in the order and manufacturing, and logistics processes, Dell helps us execute for our customers and I must admit that we could not have built the business as quickly or efficiently without Dell!</p>
<p>So thank you Michael Dell for building a business that embraces change and is focused on helping your ISG customers succeed.</p>
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      <title><![CDATA[Thoughts on Token Security]]></title>
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      <description><![CDATA[RSnake has a piece up on Token Security which raises some good points, but also misses some perspective. Firstly any article that makes a serious attempt at mitigating FUD is most welcome, especially...]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RSnake has a piece up on <a href="http://www.darkreading.com/blog.asp?blog_sectionid=403">Token Security</a> which raises some good points, but also misses some perspective. Firstly any article that makes a serious attempt at mitigating FUD is most welcome, especially in a space that is as overloaded as identity. That <span style="font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">said, I think RSnake is taking too narrow of a view, specifically B2C, on federation and tokens</span><span style="line-height: normal; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">. It is true that works on the web eventually filters into the enterprise, but it is also true that sometimes that things that start out as enterprise technologies later become cost effective on the web. So I would not assume that the current status quo on the web will hold. I don&#39;t think it will, the identity problems are too big and there is too much money at stake.</span></p><div><span style="line-height: normal; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; "><br /></span></div><div><span style="line-height: normal; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">I encourage you to read his article, here are some of my thoughts<br /></span><div><span style="line-height: normal; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; "><br /></span></div></div><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span style="line-height: normal; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">&quot;consumers hate tokens.&quot;</span></p></blockquote><div><div><span style="font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; "><span style="line-height: normal; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">
</span><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica; min-height: 14.0px"></p>
<p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"><span style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">Except that people use atm cards every day. Consumers will absolutely be inconvenienced, if there is some value created. The problem today is not the token, its the lack of a value proposition to the person you are inconveniencing.&#160;</span></p>
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</span></div></div><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span style="line-height: normal; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">&quot;Everyone wants to be the single federation platform for everyone else.&quot;</span></p></blockquote><div><div><span style="font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; "><span style="line-height: normal; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">
</span><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica; min-height: 14.0px"></p>
<p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"><span style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">This will never work. and that&#39;s a good thing. i think most companies already realize this though. I think the walled garden model has gone the way of the dodo.</span></p>
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</span></div></div><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span style="line-height: normal; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">&quot;Federation will never work. It won’t work because the single most important consumer Web applications in the world are scared of it. Banks hate the concept because it becomes a weakest link in the chain problem.&quot;</span></p></blockquote><div><div><span style="font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; "><span style="line-height: normal; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">
</span><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica; min-height: 14.0px"></p>
<p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"><span style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">Federation works quite well. have a look at google for one example. The reason banks hate federation is that their infosec people have a </span><a href="http://1raindrop.typepad.com/1_raindrop/2008/08/mainframe-mindset.html"><span style="font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">mainframe mindset</span></a><span style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">, they are focused only on resource protection. the problem is they dont run mainframes on closed networks, they went and connected it to the web and so now they need to think about subject and claim security not just resource security. its not hatred its a lack of understanding stemming from a legacy mindset.</span></p><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"></p><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"><span style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">Linking up identity providers and relying parties into a federation has been a solved problem for quite some time.</span></p>
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</span></div></div><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span style="line-height: normal; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">&quot;Tokens don’t actually solve most security problems, like man-in-the-middle, phishing, and keystroke-logging malware.&quot;</span></p></blockquote><div><div><span style="font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; "><span style="line-height: normal; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">
</span><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica; min-height: 14.0px"></p>
<p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"><span style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">Rule 1. there are no silver bullets in security</span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"><span style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">Rule 2. dont forget rule 1</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica; min-height: 14.0px"></p>
<p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"><span style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">but...</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica; min-height: 14.0px"></p>
<p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"><span style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">...there is a rule 3</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica; min-height: 14.0px"></p>
<p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"><span style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">rule 3. just because a security mechanism doesnt solve all of our problems doesnt mean its worthless.</span></p><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"></p><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"><span style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">I see this with security consultants all the time, they playa hate on static analysis or some scanning tool where they can find hundreds of things the tool doesn&#39;t. Fair point except 99.9999% of IT can&#39;t and won&#39;t find them. Engineering is about solving one incremental problem at a time.</span></p>
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</span></div></div><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span style="line-height: normal; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">&quot;Oh yes, and finally, consumers are going to have to carry around 13 of them just to make sure they can log into whatever they need to log into since no one will federate.&quot;</span></p></blockquote><div><div><span style="font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; "><span style="line-height: normal; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">
</span><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica; min-height: 14.0px"></p>
<p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"><span style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">This misses the point of federation. i carry around one atm card its up to banks, Visa, Cirrus and so on to make sure i get my cash. the funny thing about banks not understanding federation is that they have the bet example right in front of their noses, the problem is its in a different department so they never see it.</span></p>
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</span></div></div><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span style="line-height: normal; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">&quot;Global federation is nowhere near a solid concept in the consumer space, despite what the vendors will try to sell you.&quot;</span></p></blockquote><div><div><span style="font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; "><span style="line-height: normal; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">
</span><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica; min-height: 14.0px"></p>
<p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"><span style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">rule 4. do your own due diligence</span></p><span style="line-height: normal; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; "><br /></span><div><span style="font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">Tokens and federation are important building blocks for our digital future. I will leave you with a </span><a href="http://1raindrop.typepad.com/1_raindrop/2007/01/integrated_tran.html"><span style="font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">story</span></a><span style="font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; "> that</span><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Morris_%28cryptographer%29"><span style="font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; "> Robert Morris Sr.</span></a><span style="font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; "> told at Defcon several years ago:</span></div><span style="line-height: normal; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; "><br /></span></span></div></div><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">&quot;This is a long term problem. If you work on it and make any progress against it, you&#39;ll find yourself much smarter at the far end, than you were at the near end.</span></p></blockquote><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; "><br /></span><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">When I was in Norway about 5 years ago, I was there very close to the summer solstice. I was wandering around town at 2 o&#39;clock in the morning and there was plenty of light out. You come to a sign that says New Minsk about 60 km and it points south.</span><span style="font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; "><br /></span><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; "><br /></span></p></blockquote><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">And I ask the lady &quot;what country is this?&quot;</span><span style="font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; "><br /></span><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; "><br /></span></p></blockquote><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">She scratched her head for a bit, and said &quot;well I think its Norway&quot;</span><span style="font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; "><br /></span><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; "><br /></span></p></blockquote><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">I said &quot;well who plows the roads?&quot;</span><span style="font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; "><br /></span><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; "><br /></span></p></blockquote><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">&quot;well Norway does, but he have to pay them.&quot;</span><span style="font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; "><br /></span><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; "><br /></span></p></blockquote><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">There is a triple boundary in this town that I was in between Norway, Finland and Russia.</span><span style="font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; "><br /></span><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; "><br /></span></p></blockquote><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">But what I did there, was, I had a card about wallet size, I stuck it into a machine, I punched in four digits, and it gave me about 2,000 krone, whatever the hell that is.</span><span style="font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; "><br /></span><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; "><br /></span></p></blockquote><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">Now there are a lot of participants in that transaction. When I put a card into that machine, punch in a pin, and it gurgles for awhile, and finally gives me, a fairly large amount of money. There are a lot of participants in that transaction. The bank that owned the machine that gave me the money, it gave some money away -- that bank wants it back. The pin is necessary to convince my own bank that I&#39;m me. But I don&#39;t want my pin to be broadcast all over the world. My bank in the us, it hasn&#39;t really given out or taken in any money, really. But there is a lot of credits involved here. Somebody needs to charge somebody else for having more money&#160;available. Even though there was actually no cash transfer.</span></p></blockquote><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; "><br /></span></p></blockquote><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">And the problem that I have in mind is</span><span style="font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; "><br /></span><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">- who are all the participants in an ATM transaction?</span><span style="font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; "><br /></span><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">- what do those participants need to satisfy their problems?</span><span style="font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; "><br /></span><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">- how is that in fact done?</span><span style="font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; "><br /></span><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; "><br /></span></p></blockquote><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">In a general way, does the atm system actually work in some reasonable sense? To which the answer is by the way: yes. The atm system damn well works. With extremely high reliability and accuracy. It surprises me. Its quite a bit different than voting machines.</span></p></blockquote>]]></content:encoded>
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