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      <title><![CDATA[More on Why Routing is Not Complex Event Processing]]></title>
      <link>http://securityratty.com/article/b2a2132904db8b6f400e9dc6e9ba65b1</link>
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      <description><![CDATA[Interestingly, CEP is Not BPM, BAM, BRE, BRMS or SOA stimulated many great comments andthe rebuttal Smart Order Routing and CEP - Made for Each Other . James Taylor responded with Business rules,...]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interestingly, <a href="http://www.thecepblog.com/2008/08/27/cep-is-not-bpm-bam-bpm-brms-or-soa/">CEP is Not BPM, BAM, BRE, BRMS or SOA</a> stimulated many great comments and the rebuttal <a href="http://streambase.typepad.com/streambase_stream_process/2008/09/smart-order-routing-and-cep.html">Smart Order Routing and CEP - Made for Each Other</a>.  James Taylor responded with <a href="http://www.ebizq.net/blogs/decision_management/2008/08/business_rules_decisions_and_e.php">Business rules, decisions and events</a>.   I followed up with <a href="http://www.thecepblog.com/2008/09/03/cep-is-not-low-latency-messaging-eai-or-esb/">CEP is Not Low Latency Messaging, EAI or ESB</a> and James replied in turn with <a href="http://www.ebizq.net/blogs/decision_management/2008/09/still_more_on_event_processing.php" target="_blank">Still More on Event Processing</a>.  It&#8217;s great to see the blogosphere doing so well.  Continuing, I would like to discuss smart order routing (SOR) a bit more and why routing is not CEP.</p>
<p>First of all, let&#8217;s ground the discussion a bit by translating &#8220;smart order routing&#8221; to &#8220;rule-based message routing&#8221; since in this application &#8220;smart&#8221;  translates to &#8220;using rules&#8221; and &#8220;order&#8221; translates to &#8220;message&#8221;.    Basically, Mark (and other &#8220;new on the routing scene&#8221; stream processing players) argue that rule-based message routing is CEP.  I will argue that routing is not even close to CEP.  Here is why,</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s take a look at a router on the backbone of the global Internet.   A backbone router has very sophisticated software developed over many decades.   These routers run sophisticated, mature algorithms to determine how to route messages (packets) and use these algorithms to build complex routing tables. </p>
<p>In addition, these routers process messages (packets) from countless sources and route messages (packets) to countless destinations.  Using some of the terms in early posts (above), there is a great &#8220;confluence of events&#8221; processed by routers.    Futhermore, there are normally quite complex authentication, authorization and other security parameters managed in a router, all in real time.   Routers do much more, but I don&#8217;t want to get too deep into routing in this post.</p>
<p>My point is that, without any doubt, global Internet routers process very &#8220;cloudy&#8221; &#8220;confluence of events&#8221; with much more sophistication than order routing applications.    However, we do not call Internet routing &#8220;CEP&#8221;, regardless of how many connections are processed or how much sophisticated processing occurs.  The reason is because the &#8220;C&#8221; in &#8220;CEP&#8221; defines a complexity that is at a higher abstraction than messaging and routing.</p>
<p>If you study the literature on CEP, some of which I posted recently, CEP was envisioned to solve complex event processing problems &#8220;on top of the routing layer&#8221; because the routing layer is a mature technology layer.  We can route, pure and simple.  Of course, we are always seeking faster, more scaleable and more secure routing. </p>
<p>I admire some of the startups in the CEP/ESP/EP space for working hard to make money and for aggressively positioning their products and attempting to build market share.   However, issues surface when these same companies seem to believe they are the first companies to work in the event processing or message routing space and that they can define whatever they want as &#8220;complex event processing&#8221; as long as it benefits their sales targets.</p>
<p>There is no doubt that a router does much more sophisticated event processing than the new rule-based stream processing systems running continuous queries across streaming data.  There is no doubt that a router processes a complex &#8220;confluence of events&#8221;.   However, we don&#8217;t call routers &#8220;CEP&#8221;. </p>
<p>We do not call routers &#8220;CEP&#8221; because CEP is about a higher level of knowledge processing.  CEP was created to detect the &#8220;complex events&#8221; that happen above the mediation and routing layer.     The literature and original examples on CEP are quite clear on this.</p>
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      <title><![CDATA[Security Matters: How to Create the Perfect Fake Identity]]></title>
      <link>http://securityratty.com/article/978beddfbfcfa8c96d83a85e27f028f6</link>
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      <description><![CDATA[Let me start off by saying that I'm making this whole thing up
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      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me start off by saying that I'm making this whole thing up.
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Imagine you're in charge of infiltrating sleeper agents into the United States. The year is 1983, and the proliferation of identity databases is making it increasingly difficult to create fake credentials. Ten years ago, someone could have just shown up in the country and gotten a driver's license, Social Security card and bank account -- possibly using the identity of someone roughly the same age who died as a young child -- but it's getting harder. And you know that trend will only continue. So you decide to grow your own identities.
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Call it "identity farming." You invent a handful of infants. You apply for Social Security numbers for them. Eventually, you open bank accounts for them, file tax returns for them, register them to vote, and apply for credit cards in their name. And now, 25 years later, you have a handful of identities ready and waiting for some real people to step into them.
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There are some complications, of course. Maybe you need people to sign their name as parents -- or, at least, mothers. Maybe you need to doctors to fill out birth certificates. Maybe you need to fill out paperwork certifying that you're home-schooling these children. You'll certainly want to exercise their financial identity: depositing money into their bank accounts and withdrawing it from ATMs, using their credit cards and paying the bills, and so on. And you'll need to establish some sort of addresses for them, even if it is just a mail drop.
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You won't be able to get driver's licenses or photo IDs on their name. That isn't critical, though; in the U.S., more than 20 million adult citizens don't have photo IDs. But other than that, I can't think of any reason why identity farming wouldn't work.  
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Here's the real question: Do you actually have to show up for any part of your life?
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Again, I made this all up. I have no evidence that anyone is actually doing this. It's not something a criminal organization is likely to do; twenty-five years is too distant a payoff horizon. The same logic holds true for terrorist organizations; it's not worth it. It might have been worth it to the KGB -- although perhaps harder to justify after the Soviet Union broke up in 1991 -- and might be an attractive option to existing intelligence adversaries like China.
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Immortals could also use this trick to self-perpetuate themselves, inventing their own children and gradually assuming their identity, then killing their parents off. They could even show up for their own driver's license photos, wearing a beard as the father and blue spiked hair as the son. I’m told this is a common idea in <a href="http://www.highlander.org/"><cite>Highlander</cite></a> fan fiction.
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The point isn't to create another movie plot threat, but to point out the central role that data has taken on in our lives. Previously, I've said that we all have a <a href="http://www.wired.com/politics/security/commentary/securitymatters/2008/05/securitymatters_0515">data shadow</a> that follows us around, and that more and more institutions interact with our data shadows instead of with us. We only intersect with our data shadows once in a while -- when we apply for a driver's license or passport, for example -- and those interactions are authenticated by older, less-secure interactions. The rest of the world assumes that our photo IDs glue us to our data shadows, ignoring the rather flimsy connection between us and our plastic cards. (And, no, REAL-ID won't help.)
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It seems to me that our data shadows are becoming increasingly distinct from us, almost with a life of their own. What's important now is our shadows; we're secondary. And as our society relies more and more on these shadows, we might even become unnecessary.
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Our data shadows can live a perfectly normal life without us.
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<p><cite>Bruce Schneier is Chief Security Technology Officer of BT, and author of </cite>Beyond Fear: Thinking Sensibly About Security in an Uncertain World<cite>.</cite>
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      <description><![CDATA[I know, I know. Some might say that it is a silly question since you rarely seek to become a blogger - you just become one
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      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know, I know. Some might say that it is a silly question <strong>since you rarely <em>seek to become</em> a blogger - you just <em>become</em> one.</strong></p>  <p>However, I got a few emails from my readers asking me something along these line, thus this post. For example, I got asked &quot;Should I focus more on targeting security professionals or general IT users?&quot;, &quot;Any pitfalls I should be aware of?&quot; as well as general questions about how to start, what content is best, etc all the way to &quot;How did I profit from my blog?&quot;</p>  <p>&#160;</p>  <p><em>Q: Who should I blog to?</em></p>  <p>A: Blog to colleagues first i.e. infosecurity pros. Blogging to IT or general public is - in some sense - harder or - gasp! - will turn you into a journalist (someone who knows nothing about everything BUT writes about it as an &quot;expert&quot; :-)) Maybe you can broaden it later. <strong>Even better, write for YOU (!)</strong>     <br /></p>  <p><em>Q: What area of security I should focus my blogging on?</em></p>  <p>A: Focus on the area of security that you <strong>like the most or know them most</strong>: IDS? Patching? PIX administration? Linux? AD esoterica? Logs, maybe? :-) Then broaden if you feel like it or as you learn new areas</p>  <p>&#160;</p>  <p><em>Q: Any advice on site design, themes, etc?</em></p>  <p>A: Site design, themes, etc will all come later; just pick something basic and <strong>FOCUS on content</strong>, not on SEO, design, etc. MUST have RSS feed; make it highly visible (HTML is out, RSS is IN :-)) </p>  <p>&#160;</p>  <p><em>Q: Any security blogging pitfalls that I should avoid? Any other tips?</em></p>  <p><em>A:</em></p>  <ul>   <li>Don't stick to only long, deep posts? Unbelievably, people often prefer shorter posts or a mix of short/shallow and longer/deep posts (that came as a shock to me early on!)</li>    <li>Tips on how to do whatever useful work well; comments on hot issues (that you understand) works too for a shorter post.</li>    <li>Definitely comment on other bloggers posts (more often early on, later - as you wish...) </li>    <li>Avoid long breaks in blogging (&gt;7 days); it will&#160; lead to reader loss (you should only care about it later - focus on fun content first!)</li>    <li>Join Security Bloggers Network (drop an email to Alan Shimel for it) </li> </ul>  <p><em>Q:&#160; Has blogging in this niche generated any income for you? If so, how much?</em></p>  <p>A: Exactly $0. The reason is that I never wanted to &quot;monetize&quot; my blog;&#160; I don't have banners, etc. This is by design. </p>  <p><em>Q: How did it help your professional career in a significant way?</em></p>  <p>Yes, I think it helped my career and connected me to a lot of fun people! I sure hope I am not &quot;known only as as blogger&quot;, but blog can definitely make one much more known professionally, especially if you create fun and/or useful content.</p>  <p>Overall, blog is a time commitment, but it is also a passion. It does help your career, but &quot;forcing &quot; yourself to do it just for &quot;career benefits&quot; is,&#160; IMHO, a wrong approach.</p>  <p>Yo, my fellow bloggers; help the newbies out, will ya?! Let's start a series of posts on &quot;how to be a good security blogger!&quot;</p>  <div class="blogger-post-footer">About me: http://www.chuvakin.org</div><div class="feedflare">
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      <description><![CDATA[As long as users continue to click on the ad thats too good to be true, youll keep getting that spam
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      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>As long as users continue to click on the ad thats too good to be true, you&#8217;ll keep getting that spam.<br />
If it works, why should they stop?</div>
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<div>If you&#8217;ve ever asked yourself why the spam problem continues to get worse, consider this your answer. It is apparently somewhat successful for the people sending it out, so why would they stop as long as they are getting away with it?</div>
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      <link>http://securityratty.com/article/c474f15d19ef80949f385cbe7b510b79</link>
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      <description><![CDATA[Instead of my usual &quot;blogging frenzy&quot; machine gun blast of short posts, I will just combine them into my new blog series &quot; Fun Reading on Security .&quot; Here is an issue #7, dated August 27th, 2008
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      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Instead of my usual &quot;blogging frenzy&quot; machine gun blast of short posts, I will just combine them into my new blog series &quot;<a href="http://chuvakin.blogspot.com/search/label/reading">Fun Reading on Security</a>.&quot; Here is an issue #7, dated August 27th, 2008.</p>  <ol>   <li>Sad, but VERY insightful story of Alan Shimmel getting 0wned (<a href="http://www.stillsecureafteralltheseyears.com/ashimmy/2008/08/im-back.html">1</a>,<a href="http://www.stillsecureafteralltheseyears.com/ashimmy/2008/08/more-frustratio.html">2</a>,<a href="http://www.stillsecureafteralltheseyears.com/ashimmy/2008/08/our-web-infrast.html">3</a>,<a href="http://www.stillsecureafteralltheseyears.com/ashimmy/2008/08/why-google-is-n.html">4</a>, others on his blog) </li>    <li>A very good essay on security industry/market/community &quot;<a href="http://blog.trailofbits.com/2008/07/24/evolution-is-punctuated-equilibria/">Evolution is Punctuated Equilibria</a>&quot; <em>(&quot;Right now, Internet security is due for another period of rapid change.&quot;)</em> </li>    <li>As I like to say, most everybody in out industry is confused about risk (myself included, in fact) - here is some nice reading about the subject: &quot;<a href="http://layer8.itsecuritygeek.com/layer8/quant-love/">Quant love&quot;</a>, &quot;<a href="http://risktical.com/2008/07/31/what-is-risk/">What is Risk?</a>&quot; (&quot;<em>The probability of a threat overcoming security controls resistance to exploit a vulnerability that results in a loss.</em>&quot;) While you are at it, check <a href="http://risktical.com/2008/08/24/risk-and-cvss-post-1/">this blurb</a> about risk and <a href="http://www.first.org/cvss/">CVSS</a> (BTW, <a href="http://www.first.org/cvss/">CVSS</a> is about &quot;V&quot; - vulnerability, not &quot;R&quot; for risk!)</li>    <li>Solid gold on &quot;running IT as business&quot; (and where it hits the wall) - <a href="http://taosecurity.blogspot.com/2008/08/limits-of-running-it-like-business.html">Richard</a>, <a href="http://www.cio.com/article/print/335813">the original CIO.com piece</a>&#160;<em>(&quot;If you've tried managing an internal IT department as a bona fide business you already know that you can't take that very far, for the obvious reason that your IT department isn't a business.&quot;)</em> </li>    <li>More fun stuff from Richard <a href="http://taosecurity.blogspot.com/2008/07/counterintelligence-worse-than-security.html">on insiders and why NOT look for them</a> (sadly, same logic applies to not looking for owned boxes in your environment...). </li>    <li>Analyst firms <a href="http://www.forrester.com/Research/Document/Excerpt/0,7211,46811,00.html">shocking discovery</a>: wireless MAY have security issues (I guess count it as humor...)</li>    <li>Fun read: &quot;<a href="http://onsaas.net/2008/08/23/challenges-of-enterprise-cloud-computing/">Challenges of Enterprise Cloud Computing</a>&quot; (<em>&quot;By moving the data into the cloud, enterprise, for now, will lose some capabilities to govern their own data set.&quot;</em>) </li>    <li><a href="http://searchnetworking.techtarget.com/news/article/0,289142,sid7_gci1326271,00.html">Raffy on visualization</a>. (<em>&quot;One of the dangerous things is if you don't understand the log file itself, don't assume you'll understand the visualization of it or even generate a visualization that makes sense&quot;</em>) Amen to that! BTW, Raffy's book is finally <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0321510100/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top">out.</a> </li>    <li>Compliance and checkbox mentality: fun pickup from <a href="http://chuvakin.blogspot.com/2008/08/few-more-words-on-dlp-and-compliance.html">my original &quot;DLP and Compliance&quot; post</a> - <a href="http://securosis.com/2008/08/18/dont-sell-compliance-if-it-isnt-a-checkbox/">Rich</a> and <a href="http://channelmarker.blogs.techtarget.com/2008/08/19/794/">TechTarget</a>. Good stuff! (&quot;<a href="http://securosis.com/2008/08/18/dont-sell-compliance-if-it-isnt-a-checkbox/"><em>Don&#8217;t Sell &#8216;Compliance&#8217; If It Isn&#8217;t A Checkbox </em></a>&quot;) </li>    <li>RedHat is <a href="http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2008-August/msg00012.html">nicely 0wned</a> (<a href="http://isc.sans.org/diary.html?storyid=4921">more info</a>)</li>    <li><a href="http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/08/revealed-the-in.html">BGP hole</a> to dwarf the DNS hole?</li>    <li>Chris continues the virtualization and PCI DSS theme <a href="http://rationalsecurity.typepad.com/blog/2008/08/virtualized-inf.html">here</a>. The jury is still out on this one, even though the common sense approach (that virtualization is OK in regards to PCI) will probably win.</li>    <li>NEWS FLASH! <a href="http://blog.modernmechanix.com/2008/03/31/the-national-data-center-and-personal-privacy/">Privacy dies</a>. The date of death? 1967. While <a href="http://blog.modernmechanix.com/2008/03/31/the-national-data-center-and-personal-privacy/">reading it</a>, think just how visionary some folks are...</li>    <li>Finally, just for laughs: <a href="http://www.wikihow.com/Spin-Bad-News">How to Spin Bad News</a> </li> </ol>  <p>Enjoy!</p>  <p>BTW, I am saving some fun reading for dedicated posts soon :-)</p>  <div class="blogger-post-footer">About me: http://www.chuvakin.org</div><div class="feedflare">
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      <description><![CDATA[Layer 8
The Limits of Running IT Like a Business If you've tried managing an internal IT department as a bona fide business you already know that you can't take that very far, for the obvious reason...]]></description>
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<li><a href="http://layer8.itsecuritygeek.com/layer8/quant-love">Layer 8</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.cio.com/article/print/335813">The Limits of Running IT Like a Business</a><br/>
If you&#039;ve tried managing an internal IT department as a bona fide business you already know that you can&#039;t take that very far, for the obvious reason that your IT department isn&#039;t a business. It is, after all, a part of a business: a significant contributor to a value chain, not a self-contained value chain of its own.</li>
<li><a href="http://taosecurity.blogspot.com/2008/08/limits-of-running-it-like-business.html">TaoSecurity: The Limits of Running IT Like a Business</a><br/>
The Limits of Running IT Like a Business</li>
<li><a href="http://risktical.com/2008/07/31/what-is-risk/">What is Risk? &laquo; Risktical Ramblings</a></li>
<li><a href="http://searchnetworking.techtarget.com/news/article/0,289142,sid7_gci1326271,00.html">Networking data visualization not just for pointy-headed bosses</a></li>
<li><a href="http://onsaas.net/2008/08/23/challenges-of-enterprise-cloud-computing/">OnSaaS &raquo; Blog Archive &raquo; Challenges of Enterprise Cloud Computing</a></li>
<li><a href="http://channelmarker.blogs.techtarget.com/2008/08/19/794/">Regulatory compliance: Getting customers to look at the big picture &mdash; Channel Marker</a></li>
<li><a href="http://andyitguy.blogspot.com/2008/08/im-not-expert-in-all-things-security.html">Andy, ITGuy: I'm not an expert in all things security, but I am a thinker</a></li>
<li><a href="http://chuvakin.blogspot.com/2008/08/anton-security-tip-of-day-16-virtually.html">Anton Chuvakin Blog - &quot;Security Warrior&quot;: Anton Security Tip of the Day #16: Virtually There - Journey Into VMWare ESX Log Analysis</a></li>
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      <title><![CDATA[Golf Driven Security]]></title>
      <link>http://securityratty.com/article/97c3f2f6b2c052ca89495ba3c65d43d2</link>
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      <description><![CDATA[I don't have anything against the sport, in fact I think that if the software security people want to get in the enterprise security game they have to get a lot better at golf. I blogged about how the...]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span style="font-size: 13px; font-family: Helvetica; ">I don&#39;t have anything against the sport, in fact I think that if the software security people want to get in the enterprise security game they have to get a lot better at golf. I </span><a href="http://1raindrop.typepad.com/1_raindrop/2008/08/software-security-market.html"><span style="font-size: 13px; font-family: Helvetica; ">blogged</span></a><span style="font-size: 13px; font-family: Helvetica; "> about how the network security sector is about fifteen times larger than software security sector, prompting one person to write saying that we have invested wisely in network security, eliminated the problems and will address the software security problem with internal processes and tools.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 13px; font-family: Helvetica; "><br /></span></p><div><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"><span style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; font-size: 13px; "><span style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; font-size: 13px; font-family: Helvetica; ">The problem is that compared to software security we are clearly overspending on network security, the hardware/software is unchanged for a decade - </span><span style="font-weight: bold; font-size: 13px; font-family: Helvetica; ">in any other area of computing the cost would be falling like a rock (</span><span style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; font-size: 13px; font-family: Helvetica; ">how much would 1995 version of Oracle or Windows cost now? 5 cents on the dollar, yet CISOs still cut $900M worth of checks to Checkpoint each year). The problem is&#160;there is no market effect because the CISO&#39;s budget keeps increasing and they have no idea what/where/how to spend so they just play golf with their Checkpoint rep and send in the renewal.&#160;</span></span></p><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"><span style="font-size: 13px; font-family: Helvetica; "><br /></span></p><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"><span style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; font-size: 13px; font-family: Helvetica; ">Internal processes and tools are necessary yet nowhere near sufficient to &quot;solve&quot; software security. One reason we &quot;have gotten rid of&quot; network attacks is that no one cares. its a 1990s 31337 attacker goal, not a mafia enterprise goal (botnets aside). business, be they legit or criminal, wants data and functionality. so its all about apps and data. we are just at the very begining crawl stage of even understanding how to solve these problems. That&#39;s why when i hear security consultants harsh on something like static analysis I just laugh. are they better than a top 1% resource in the world? no way. do we have a multi billion dollar gap to close? ya sure, ya betcha. We need things that scale.</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica; min-height: 14.0px"><span style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; font-size: 13px; font-family: Helvetica; "><br /></span></p>
<p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"><span style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; font-size: 13px; font-family: Helvetica; ">People dont write their own virus protection, but for some reason attempt to do their own input validation, it is the same exact problem. people routinely write their own authentication, authorization and audit. i could go on.</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica; min-height: 14.0px"><span style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; font-size: 13px; font-family: Helvetica; "><br /></span></p>
<p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"><span style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; font-size: 13px; font-family: Helvetica; ">I have rarely seen an industry so ripe for disruptive innovation as software security.&#160;</span></p><div><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal;"><br /></span></div></div>]]></content:encoded>
      <pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 13:00:50 +0000</pubDate>
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      <title><![CDATA[Thoughts on Token Security]]></title>
      <link>http://securityratty.com/article/e520684c06df65bce8e1084919798c74</link>
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      <description><![CDATA[RSnake has a piece up on Token Security which raises some good points, but also misses some perspective. Firstly any article that makes a serious attempt at mitigating FUD is most welcome, especially...]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RSnake has a piece up on <a href="http://www.darkreading.com/blog.asp?blog_sectionid=403">Token Security</a> which raises some good points, but also misses some perspective. Firstly any article that makes a serious attempt at mitigating FUD is most welcome, especially in a space that is as overloaded as identity. That <span style="font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">said, I think RSnake is taking too narrow of a view, specifically B2C, on federation and tokens</span><span style="line-height: normal; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">. It is true that works on the web eventually filters into the enterprise, but it is also true that sometimes that things that start out as enterprise technologies later become cost effective on the web. So I would not assume that the current status quo on the web will hold. I don&#39;t think it will, the identity problems are too big and there is too much money at stake.</span></p><div><span style="line-height: normal; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; "><br /></span></div><div><span style="line-height: normal; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">I encourage you to read his article, here are some of my thoughts<br /></span><div><span style="line-height: normal; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; "><br /></span></div></div><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span style="line-height: normal; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">&quot;consumers hate tokens.&quot;</span></p></blockquote><div><div><span style="font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; "><span style="line-height: normal; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">
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<p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"><span style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">Except that people use atm cards every day. Consumers will absolutely be inconvenienced, if there is some value created. The problem today is not the token, its the lack of a value proposition to the person you are inconveniencing.&#160;</span></p>
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</span></div></div><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span style="line-height: normal; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">&quot;Everyone wants to be the single federation platform for everyone else.&quot;</span></p></blockquote><div><div><span style="font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; "><span style="line-height: normal; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">
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<p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"><span style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">This will never work. and that&#39;s a good thing. i think most companies already realize this though. I think the walled garden model has gone the way of the dodo.</span></p>
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</span></div></div><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span style="line-height: normal; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">&quot;Federation will never work. It won’t work because the single most important consumer Web applications in the world are scared of it. Banks hate the concept because it becomes a weakest link in the chain problem.&quot;</span></p></blockquote><div><div><span style="font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; "><span style="line-height: normal; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">
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<p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"><span style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">Federation works quite well. have a look at google for one example. The reason banks hate federation is that their infosec people have a </span><a href="http://1raindrop.typepad.com/1_raindrop/2008/08/mainframe-mindset.html"><span style="font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">mainframe mindset</span></a><span style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">, they are focused only on resource protection. the problem is they dont run mainframes on closed networks, they went and connected it to the web and so now they need to think about subject and claim security not just resource security. its not hatred its a lack of understanding stemming from a legacy mindset.</span></p><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"></p><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"><span style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">Linking up identity providers and relying parties into a federation has been a solved problem for quite some time.</span></p>
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</span></div></div><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span style="line-height: normal; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">&quot;Tokens don’t actually solve most security problems, like man-in-the-middle, phishing, and keystroke-logging malware.&quot;</span></p></blockquote><div><div><span style="font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; "><span style="line-height: normal; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">
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<p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"><span style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">Rule 1. there are no silver bullets in security</span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"><span style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">Rule 2. dont forget rule 1</span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"><span style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">but...</span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"><span style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">...there is a rule 3</span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"><span style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">rule 3. just because a security mechanism doesnt solve all of our problems doesnt mean its worthless.</span></p><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"></p><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"><span style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">I see this with security consultants all the time, they playa hate on static analysis or some scanning tool where they can find hundreds of things the tool doesn&#39;t. Fair point except 99.9999% of IT can&#39;t and won&#39;t find them. Engineering is about solving one incremental problem at a time.</span></p>
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</span></div></div><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span style="line-height: normal; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">&quot;Oh yes, and finally, consumers are going to have to carry around 13 of them just to make sure they can log into whatever they need to log into since no one will federate.&quot;</span></p></blockquote><div><div><span style="font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; "><span style="line-height: normal; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">
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<p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"><span style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">This misses the point of federation. i carry around one atm card its up to banks, Visa, Cirrus and so on to make sure i get my cash. the funny thing about banks not understanding federation is that they have the bet example right in front of their noses, the problem is its in a different department so they never see it.</span></p>
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</span></div></div><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span style="line-height: normal; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">&quot;Global federation is nowhere near a solid concept in the consumer space, despite what the vendors will try to sell you.&quot;</span></p></blockquote><div><div><span style="font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; "><span style="line-height: normal; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">
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<p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"><span style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">rule 4. do your own due diligence</span></p><span style="line-height: normal; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; "><br /></span><div><span style="font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">Tokens and federation are important building blocks for our digital future. I will leave you with a </span><a href="http://1raindrop.typepad.com/1_raindrop/2007/01/integrated_tran.html"><span style="font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">story</span></a><span style="font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; "> that</span><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Morris_%28cryptographer%29"><span style="font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; "> Robert Morris Sr.</span></a><span style="font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; "> told at Defcon several years ago:</span></div><span style="line-height: normal; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; "><br /></span></span></div></div><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">&quot;This is a long term problem. If you work on it and make any progress against it, you&#39;ll find yourself much smarter at the far end, than you were at the near end.</span></p></blockquote><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; "><br /></span><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">When I was in Norway about 5 years ago, I was there very close to the summer solstice. I was wandering around town at 2 o&#39;clock in the morning and there was plenty of light out. You come to a sign that says New Minsk about 60 km and it points south.</span><span style="font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; "><br /></span><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; "><br /></span></p></blockquote><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">And I ask the lady &quot;what country is this?&quot;</span><span style="font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; "><br /></span><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; "><br /></span></p></blockquote><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">She scratched her head for a bit, and said &quot;well I think its Norway&quot;</span><span style="font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; "><br /></span><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; "><br /></span></p></blockquote><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">I said &quot;well who plows the roads?&quot;</span><span style="font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; "><br /></span><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; "><br /></span></p></blockquote><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">&quot;well Norway does, but he have to pay them.&quot;</span><span style="font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; "><br /></span><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; "><br /></span></p></blockquote><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">There is a triple boundary in this town that I was in between Norway, Finland and Russia.</span><span style="font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; "><br /></span><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; "><br /></span></p></blockquote><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">But what I did there, was, I had a card about wallet size, I stuck it into a machine, I punched in four digits, and it gave me about 2,000 krone, whatever the hell that is.</span><span style="font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; "><br /></span><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; "><br /></span></p></blockquote><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">Now there are a lot of participants in that transaction. When I put a card into that machine, punch in a pin, and it gurgles for awhile, and finally gives me, a fairly large amount of money. There are a lot of participants in that transaction. The bank that owned the machine that gave me the money, it gave some money away -- that bank wants it back. The pin is necessary to convince my own bank that I&#39;m me. But I don&#39;t want my pin to be broadcast all over the world. My bank in the us, it hasn&#39;t really given out or taken in any money, really. But there is a lot of credits involved here. Somebody needs to charge somebody else for having more money&#160;available. Even though there was actually no cash transfer.</span></p></blockquote><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; "><br /></span></p></blockquote><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">And the problem that I have in mind is</span><span style="font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; "><br /></span><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">- who are all the participants in an ATM transaction?</span><span style="font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; "><br /></span><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">- what do those participants need to satisfy their problems?</span><span style="font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; "><br /></span><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">- how is that in fact done?</span><span style="font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; "><br /></span><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; "><br /></span></p></blockquote><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">In a general way, does the atm system actually work in some reasonable sense? To which the answer is by the way: yes. The atm system damn well works. With extremely high reliability and accuracy. It surprises me. Its quite a bit different than voting machines.</span></p></blockquote>]]></content:encoded>
      <pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 12:35:23 +0000</pubDate>
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      <source url="http://1raindrop.typepad.com/1_raindrop/2008/08/thoughts-on-token-security.html">Thoughts on Token Security</source>
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      <title><![CDATA[Full Disclosure and the Boston Farecard Hack]]></title>
      <link>http://securityratty.com/article/40a098c4c848de62a0921d68f8cef2e7</link>
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      <description><![CDATA[In eerily similar cases in the Netherlands and the United States, courts have recently grappled with the computer-security norm of &quot;full disclosure,&quot; asking whether researchers should be permitted to...]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In eerily similar cases in the Netherlands and the United States, courts have recently grappled with the computer-security norm of "full disclosure," asking whether researchers should be permitted to disclose details of a fare-card vulnerability that allows people to ride the subway for free.</p>

<p>The "Oyster card" used on the <a href="http://www.schneier.com/essay-229.html">London Tube</a> was at issue in the Dutch case, and a similar fare card used on the <a href="http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/08/injunction-requ.html">Boston "T"</a> was the center of the U.S. case. The Dutch court got it right, and the American court, in Boston, <a href="http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/08/computer-scient.html ">got it wrong</a> from the start -- despite facing an open-and-shut case of First Amendment prior restraint.</p>

<p>The U.S. court has since <a href="http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/08/federal-judge-t.html ">seen the error</a> of its ways -- but the damage is done. The MIT security researchers who were prepared to discuss their Boston findings at the DefCon security conference were <a href="http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/08/eff-to-appeal-r.html ">prevented</a> from giving their talk.</p>

<p>The <a href="http://www.schneier.com/essay-146.html">ethics</a> of <a href="http://www.schneier.com/crypto-gram-0111.html#1">full disclosure</a> are intimately familiar to those of us in the computer-security field.  Before full disclosure became the norm, researchers would quietly disclose vulnerabilities to the vendors -- who would routinely ignore them. Sometimes vendors would even threaten researchers with legal action if they disclosed the vulnerabilities. </p>

<p>Later on, researchers started disclosing the existence of a vulnerability but not the details.  Vendors responded by denying the security holes' existence, or calling them just theoretical.  It wasn't until full disclosure became the norm that vendors began consistently fixing vulnerabilities quickly.  Now that vendors routinely patch vulnerabilities, researchers generally give them advance notice to allow them to patch their systems before the vulnerability is published.  But even with this "responsible disclosure" protocol, it's the threat of disclosure that motivates them to patch their systems.  Full disclosure <a href="http://www.eff.org/files/filenode/MBTA_v_Anderson/letter081208.pdf">is the mechanism</a> (.pdf) by which computer security improves.</p>

<p>Outside of computer security, secrecy is much more the norm.  Some security communities, like locksmiths, behave much like medieval guilds, divulging the secrets of their profession only to those within it.  These communities <a href="http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-10002138-83.html?tag=mncol">hate</a> <a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2195862/">open</a> <a href="http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080711.wlpicking11/EmailBNStory/lifeMain/">research</a>, and have <a href="http://www.schneier.com/crypto-gram-0302.html#1">responded</a> with <a href="http://www.crypto.com/papers/kiss.html">surprising vitriol</a> to <a href="http://www.crypto.com/papers/flattery.html">researchers</a> who have found serious vulnerabilities in <a href="http://www.wired.com/culture/lifestyle/news/2004/09/64987">bicycle locks</a>, <a href="http://www.crypto.com/papers/safelocks.pdf">combination safes</a> (.pdf), <a href="http://www.crypto.com/masterkey.html">master-key systems</a> and <a href="http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/08/medeco-locks-cr.html">many</a> other <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lock_bumping">security devices</a>.  </p>

<p>Researchers have received a similar reaction from other communities more used to secrecy than openness.  Researchers -- sometimes <a href="http://compsci.ca/blog/lanschool-threatens-compscica-with-legal-actions/">young students</a> -- who discovered and published flaws in copyright-protection schemes, <a href="http://www.freedom-to-tinker.com/?p=1265">voting-machine security</a> and now wireless access cards have all suffered recriminations and sometimes lawsuits for not keeping the vulnerabilities secret.  When Christopher Soghoian created a website allowing people to print fake airline boarding passes, he got <a href="http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2006/11/forge_your_own.html">several unpleasant visits</a> from the FBI.</p>

<p>This preference for secrecy comes from confusing a vulnerability with information <em>about</em> that vulnerability.  Using <a href="http://www.schneier.com/crypto-gram-0205.html#1">secrecy as a security measure</a> is fundamentally fragile.  It assumes that the bad guys don't do their own security research.  It assumes that no one else will find the same vulnerability.  It assumes that information won't leak out even if the research results are suppressed.  These assumptions are all incorrect.</p>

<p>The problem isn't the researchers; it's the products themselves.  Companies will only design security as good as what their customers know to ask for.  Full disclosure helps customers evaluate the security of the products they buy, and educates them in how to ask for better security.  The Dutch court got it exactly right when it <a href="http://zoeken.rechtspraak.nl/resultpage.aspx?snelzoeken=true&searchtype=ljn&ljn=BD7578&u_ljn=BD7578">wrote</a>: "Damage to NXP is not the result of the publication of the article but of the production and sale of a chip that appears to have shortcomings."</p>

<p>In a world of forced secrecy, vendors make inflated claims about their products, vulnerabilities don't get fixed, and customers are no wiser.  Security research is stifled, and security technology doesn't improve.  The only beneficiaries are the bad guys.</p>

<p>If you'll forgive the analogy, the ethics of full disclosure parallel the ethics of not paying kidnapping ransoms.  We all know why we don't pay kidnappers: It encourages more kidnappings.  Yet in every kidnapping case, there's someone -- a spouse, a parent, an employer -- with a good reason why, in this one case, we should make an exception. </p>

<p>The reason we want researchers to publish vulnerabilities is because that's how security improves. But in every case there's someone -- the Massachusetts Bay Transit Authority, the locksmiths, an election machine manufacturer -- who argues that, in this one case, we should make an exception.</p>

<p>We shouldn't.  The benefits of responsibly publishing attacks greatly outweigh the potential harm. Disclosure encourages companies to build security properly rather than relying on shoddy design and secrecy, and discourages them from promising security based on their ability to threaten researchers.  It's how we learn about security, and how we improve future security.</p>

<p>This essay <a href="http://www.wired.com/politics/security/commentary/securitymatters/2008/08/securitymatters_0821">previously appeared</a> on Wired.com.</p>

<p>EDITED TO ADD (8/26):  Matt Blaze has a <a href="http://www.crypto.com/blog/security_through_restraining_orders/">good essay</a> on the topic.</p><div class="feedflare">
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      <pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 02:04:49 +0000</pubDate>
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      <source url="http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2008/08/full_disclosure.html">Full Disclosure and the Boston Farecard Hack</source>
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      <title><![CDATA[Zebras and Aardvarks]]></title>
      <link>http://securityratty.com/article/33abc094fe2c279e96a516b5c169266a</link>
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      <description><![CDATA[We all know that different people get different amounts of email spam . Some of these differences result from how careful people have been in hiding their address from the spammers putting it en...]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We all know that different people get different amounts of email &#8220;<a href="http://www.spam.com/eatSpam/varieties.aspx">spam</a>&#8220;. Some of these differences result from how careful people have been in hiding their address from the spammers &#8212; putting it <em>en claire</em> on a webpage will definitely improve your chances of receiving unsolicited email.</p>
<p>However, it turns out there&#8217;s other effects as well. In <a href="http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rnc1/aardvark.pdf">a paper I presented last week</a> to the <a href="http://www.ceas.cc/">Fifth Conference on Email and Anti-Spam</a> (CEAS 2008), I showed that the first letter of the local part of the email address also plays a part.</p>
<p>Incoming email to <a href="http://www.demon.net">Demon Internet</a> where the email address local part (the bit left of the @) begins with &#8220;A&#8221; (think of these as <a href="http://www.awf.org/content/wildlife/detail/aardvark">aardvarks</a>) is almost exactly 50% spam and 50% non-spam. However, where the local part begins with &#8220;Z&#8221; (<a href="http://shop.awf.org/adopt/product.aspx?p=136013(base)">zebras</a>) then it is about 75% spam.</p>
<p>However, if one only considers &#8220;real&#8221; aardvarks and zebras, viz: where a particular email address was legitimate enough to receive some non-spam email, then the picture changes. If one treats an email address as &#8220;real&#8221; if there&#8217;s one non-spam email on average every second day, then real aardvarks receive 35% spam, but real zebras receive only 20% spam.</p>
<p>The most likely reason for these results is the prevalence of &#8220;<a href="http://www.rackaid.com/resources/rackaid-blog/server-dysfunction/dictionary_attacks/">dictionary</a>&#8221; or &#8220;<a href="http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~spok/grimmtmp/044.txt">Rumpelstiltskin</a>&#8221; attacks (where spammers guess addresses). If there are not many other zebras, then guessing zebra names is less likely.</p>
<p>Aardvarks should consider <a href="http://www.cerebusart.com/">changing species</a> &#8212; or asking their favourite email filter designer to think about how this unexpected empirical result can be leveraged into blocking more of their unwanted email.</p>
<blockquote><p>[[[ ** Note that these percentages are way down from general spam rates because Demon rejects out of hand email from sites listed in the <a href="http://www.spamhaus.org/pbl/index.lasso">PBL</a> (which are not expected to send email) and greylists email from sites in the <a href="http://www.spamhaus.org/zen/index.lasso">ZEN</a> list. This reduces overall volumes considerably -- so <a href="http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=YMMV">YMMV</a>! ]]]</p></blockquote>
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      <pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 23:02:30 +0000</pubDate>
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