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      <title><![CDATA[Have CrackBerry, Will Travel]]></title>
      <link>http://securityratty.com/article/c96f50744fe7be879c793f14bd28e183</link>
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      <description><![CDATA[Blogger: Dan Blum
It is no surprise for us to hear loose lips flapping in India about a capability to decrypt Blackberry and other carrier traffic
After all, weve done basic threat analysis for years...]]></description>
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<div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><p>Blogger: Dan Blum</p>

<p>It is no surprise for us to hear loose lips flapping in India about <a href="http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/At_last_govt_cracks_BlackBerry_code/articleshow/3510719.cms">a capability to decrypt Blackberry and other carrier traffic</a>.</p>

<p>After all, we’ve done basic threat analysis for years and it was only months ago that I was brought into a company-wide CISO meeting at a U.S. defense contractor to help them hash out their travel policy for mobile devices. Going into the meeting, I knew their policy restricted taking devices to a list of countries considered dangerous – but there was an exemption for BlackBerries.</p>

<p>Our research uncovered that BlackBerry is pretty secure in most respects. It has transport encryption along with optional password protection, remote kill, disk encryption, and S/MIME encryption. Viruses have not flourished on this functionally limited and closed platform. Few if any third party add on programs are required for additional protection. Nonetheless, I went into the meeting prepared to talk with the CISOs about the risks and security limitations of life on BlackBerry.</p>

<p>Was the BlackBerry exemption reasonable? At the time, BlackBerry transport encryption was not known to have been broken (to be fair, the article listed above still qualifies as rumor, not certainty of breakage). However, I pointed out that it is dangerous to assume well-equipped attackers like military or intelligence organizations can’t crack transport encryption. And even if they haven’t cracked the BlackBerry network and whole disk encryption features, sophisticated adversaries have other attack paths. Check out Neal Stephenson’s excellent book <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Cryptonomicon-Neal-Stephenson/dp/0060512806/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1222262354&amp;sr=1-1">Cryptonomicon</a> for a description of how a talented adversary might “see” your keystrokes and screen images through a motel room wall, for example.</p>

<p>If one of your employees – such as a key scientist, project manager, or executive – is targeted for surveillance and is carrying sensitive data through certain countries, one could argue that he or she had better undergo serious counter-intelligence training.&nbsp; Learn to spot and shake tails, sneak into dark alleys for that BlackBerry fix. Learn to paper the closet with layers of aluminum foil and send messages in the dark. Defend that BlackBerry with encryption, long passphrases, and kung fu. But unless James Bond is running your company, I doubt this is what your executives have in mind for the next business trip!</p>

<p>Assuming your organization’s lower level employees are like needles in a haystack and won’t be bothered could be an exercise in wishful thinking. It is always possible that nation states are monitoring some or all of the airwaves. Not so long ago the NSA had a massive a covert surveillance program in place. Years before the government was reportedly snarfing up terabytes of emails and crunching them through a program called Carnivore. And of course, selective monitoring of people on watch lists continues on a large scale. This is just the surveillance we know about in the U.S. We suspect there’s more behind the scenes and especially in countries such as China. Even if you train your non-specifically-targeted low level employees to write and speak in search-keyword-free code, the carnivore programs of the world are pretty good at sniffing out those interesting needles – such as descriptions of your business plans, manufacturing processes, and trade secrets.</p>

<p>Sound paranoid? I admit that I don’t know what the probabilities of being targeted or monitored are – just that it can happen. It’s the height of arrogance to believe that a nation state can’t get your information if they’ve targeted it and you’re within their borders. And it’s dangerous to rely on security by obscurity when medium or high consequence information must be protected.</p>

<p>What can be done? If key personnel can't dispense with the BlackBerry (or any other email device) during international travel to those countries where information may be most at risk, they (the users) should limit communications to what they’d feel comfortable uttering over a potentially-monitored telephone call. Controlling incoming communications – messages sent by others – is a harder problem. Until data loss prevention (DLP) products become more contextually sensitive about the travel issues, it may be best not to synchronize the BlackBerry with the overseas user’s home mailbox. Instead, have the user give out a temporary address for the BlackBerry and warn senders to be discreet. </p></div>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 04:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
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      <source url="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/SecurityAndRiskManagementStrategiesBlog/~3/402766223/have-crackberry.html">Have CrackBerry, Will Travel</source>
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      <title><![CDATA[Craig Balding to Speak at World Summit of Cloud Computing]]></title>
      <link>http://securityratty.com/article/2d310f5c8070dd014d36abfb5a3ea04a</link>
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      <description><![CDATA[Ive been sitting on this for a while and Im glad I can now finally say it
Im delighted to announce that I have been invited to present at the World Summit of Cloud Computing, to be held in Israel on...]]></description>
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<p>I&#8217;ve been sitting on this for a while and I&#8217;m glad I can now finally say it&#8230;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m delighted to announce that I have been invited to present at the World Summit of Cloud Computing, to be held in Israel on 1-2 December 2008.</p>
<p>The event is organised by Avner Algom from the IGT (Israeli Association of Grid Technologies).  Putting my invitation to one side, I have to say its a <a title="Speaker lineup for IGT08" href="http://www.reg.co.il/igt2008/speakers.html">stunning lineup of speakers</a>.  Its a who&#8217;s who of Cloud players.  Avner has clearly done his homework!</p>
<p>Obviously I&#8217;ll be talking about the security aspects of Cloud Computing, delving into some of the areas I&#8217;ve written about here and some new material that I&#8217;m currently working on.</p>
<p>If you work for a company that is consdering future plans and Cloud Computing, you might want to take a look over the agenda.  Compared to some other conferences, the ticket prices seem very reasonable to me.</p>
<p>Registration is now <a title="Registration Page for the World Summit of Cloud Computing" href="https://www.eventact.com/grid/igt08/">open</a>.</p>
<p>If you have any questions, feel free to leave a comment below.  I&#8217;ll do my best to get them answered.  Also, if you know anyone that might benefit from 2 days in a beautiful part of Israel getting up to speed on Cloud Computing, feel free to send them this link.</p>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:59:25 +0000</pubDate>
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      <source url="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/CloudSecurity/~3/393567689/">Craig Balding to Speak at World Summit of Cloud Computing</source>
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      <title><![CDATA[Wee-Fi: Share Cell Connections over Wi-Fi; Mile High-Fi Salaciousness; Giga-Fi; and More]]></title>
      <link>http://securityratty.com/article/457365225a8b72096232f2b375549cff</link>
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      <description><![CDATA[New version of Windows Mobile software to share cell data connections over Wi-Fi: Morose Media ships version 1.20 of WMWifiRouter, a Windows Mobile 5 and 6 application that routes cellular data...]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img src="http://wifinetnews.com/images/weefi.jpg" align="right" border="0" hspace="5" /><a href="http://www.wmwifirouter.com/"><strong>New version of Windows Mobile software to share cell data connections over Wi-Fi:</strong></a> Morose Media ships version 1.20 of WMWifiRouter, a Windows Mobile 5 and 6 application that routes cellular data connections over Wi-Fi, turning your phone into a micro-hotspot. The software can also share a cell connection via Bluetooth or USB. The software costs $30 or &euro;20, and requires Internet (Connection) Sharing (ICS), which some providers may have removed from your phone. (The company set the price at US$30 before the euro drop, so is offering a kind of discount over their real &euro;20 price for the moment.)</p>

<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/11/technology/personaltech/11smart.html?_r=1&8cir&emc=cirb1&oref=slogin"><strong>The New York Times rounds up using cell phones as hotspots:</strong></a> Though the reporter, Bob Tedeschi, mentions the issue of having to have an unlimited data plan to avoid unpleasant charges, and worries about bad drains and malicious users, he doesn't note that many carriers don't allow this kind of sharing or routing without a separate "tethering" plan, that can run $20 or more per month. Also, U.S. carriers have now all imposed a 5 GB per month reasonable use cap; some will cut you off, some charge you more, some cancel your service based on exceeding this use.</p>

<p><a href="http://www.networkworld.com/news/2008/090908-ieee-considers-gigabit.html?hpg1=bn"><strong>Gigabit Wi-Fi? Someday:</strong></a> TechWorld considers the IEEE's Very High Throughput (VHT) study group, which wants to start work on 1 Gbps or faster Wi-Fi standard for completion in 2012. With 802.11n offering raw symbol rates up to 600 Mbps--even though no devices have shipped with the radios and antennas to offer that optional high speed yet--there's interest in other frequencies that would allow faster encodings, as well as aggregating multiple links to achieve high speed rates. My experience in testing and using 2.4 GHz with Draft N would show that wide or aggregated channels doesn't work very well. The article's writer, Peter Judge, notes that ultrawideband had potential (over short distances) to approach the gigabit mark, but that UWB hasn't really reached the market in any substantive way years after it was promised to be a big technology.</p>

<p><a href="http://www.nbc5i.com/news/17435300/detail.html"><strong>Flight attendants express concerns about in-flight broadband porn:</strong></a> When I've spoken to airlines, industry experts, and service providers, I find that they all have stories about how porn is viewed on computers, through DVD players, and in convenient magazine form on planes today. Adding the Internet may provide new salacious imagery, but the problem predates Internet access, and filtering Internet service is never as good a solution as a social one. Someone idiotic enough to view porn on a plane over the Internet is also stupid enough to bring along inappropriate DVDs they watch while seated next to children. Flight attendants already have the power vested in them to take care of this. The flight attendants for American might be expressing this concern as part of a bargaining issue, where their responsibilities but not commensurate pay have increased.</p>

<p><a href="http://www.kxly.com/Global/story.asp?S=8989329"><strong>Spokane ends free Wi-Fi:</strong></a> Remember Vivato? Boy, I sure do. A company with a reach far exceeding its grasp, Vivato initially powered Spokane's downtown network. The network has continued to run on some basis--I'm not sure using what equipment--and now will move from free to fee. OneEighty Networks will charge about $10 per month to cover the costs of the network, for which local businesses at one point chipped in.</p>

<p><a href="http://www.onair.aero/"><strong>Brazilian TAM airline signs up for in-flight calling, messaging:</strong></a> OnAir has signed up the Brazilian carrier TAM, which will deploy the service on its Airbus A320 craft. Brazil hasn't yet provided regulatory approval, so no launch date is noted. TAM is the largest domestic and international carrier for Brazil.</p>]]></content:encoded>
      <pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 07:02:26 +0000</pubDate>
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      <source url="http://wifinetnews.com/archives/008436.html">Wee-Fi: Share Cell Connections over Wi-Fi; Mile High-Fi Salaciousness; Giga-Fi; and More</source>
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      <title><![CDATA[DNA Matching and the Birthday Paradox]]></title>
      <link>http://securityratty.com/article/f1e349e060d1381314c908f1cb4ac391</link>
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      <description><![CDATA[Nice essay : Is it possible that the F.B.I. is right about the statistics it cites, and that there could be 122 nine-out-of-13 matches in Arizona's database
Perhaps surprisingly, the answer turns out...]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/08/19/are-the-fbis-probabilities-about-dna-matches-crazy/">Nice essay</a>:</p>

<blockquote>Is it possible that the F.B.I. is right about the statistics it cites, and that there could be 122 nine-out-of-13 matches in Arizona's database?

<p>Perhaps surprisingly, the answer turns out to be yes. Let's say that the chance of any two individuals matching at any one locus is 7.5 percent. In reality, the frequency of a match varies from locus to locus, but I think 7.5 percent is pretty reasonable. For instance, with a 7.5 percent chance of matching at each locus, the chance that any 2 random people would match at all 13 loci is about 1 in 400 trillion. If you choose exactly 9 loci for 2 random people, the chance that they will match all 9 is 1 in 13 billion. Those are the sorts of numbers the F.B.I. tosses around, I think.</p>

<p>So under these same assumptions, how many pairs would we expect to find matching on at least 9 of 13 loci in the Arizona database? Remarkably, about 100. If you start with 65,000 people and do a pairwise match of all of them, you are actually making over 2 billion separate comparisons (65,000 * 64,999/2). And if you aren't just looking for a match on 9 specific loci, but rather on <i>any</i> 9 of 13 loci, then for each of those pairs of people there are over 700 different combinations that are being searched.</p>

<p>So all told, you end up doing about 1.4 trillion searches! If 1 in 13 billion searches yields a positive match as noted above, this leads to roughly 100 expected matches on 9 of 13 loci in a database the size of Arizona's. (The way I did the calculations, I am allowing for 2 individuals to match on different sets of loci; so to get 100 different pairs of <i>people</i> who match, I need a match rate of slightly higher than 7.5 percent per locus.)</blockquote></p><div class="feedflare">
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      <pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 02:21:02 +0000</pubDate>
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      <source url="http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2008/09/dna_matching_an.html">DNA Matching and the Birthday Paradox</source>
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      <title><![CDATA[Biotech Platforms]]></title>
      <link>http://securityratty.com/article/45651b9a0decddecc758c652995e074f</link>
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      <description><![CDATA[It is interesting to see the notion of tech platforms play out in other fields. Specifically, the biotech field is all abuzz on platforms. For example Exelixis' oncology platform built on kinase...]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is interesting to see the notion of tech platforms play out in other fields. Specifically, the biotech field is <a href="http://www.hammerstockblog.com/genentech’s-new-shiny-platform/">all </a><a href="http://www.hammerstockblog.com/exelixis-as-a-platform-company/">abuzz</a> on platforms. For example Exelixis&#39; oncology platform built on kinase inhibitors.</p><br /><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span style="font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; font-size: 16px; line-height: normal; ">Having a validated drug discovery platform is the first and most important criterion for defining a good platform company. The platform is typically comprised of a combination of technology, experienced personnel and intellectual property that can generate a stream of drug candidates. Most importantly, investing should be done only after a product of the platform&#160;<span>demonstrates</span>&#160;activity&#160;<span>in clinical trials.&#160;</span>Having a clinically validated product is not a guarantee for future success of the platform nor does it mean that the specific agent will reach the market, but it does imply that one or more of the platform’s products stand a reasonable chance of becoming a commercial drug. A validated platform may increase overall success rates, yet the odds of a particular drug candidate to make it all the way to approval are still low.</span></p></blockquote><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span style="font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; font-size: 16px; line-height: normal;">...</span></p></blockquote><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span style="font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; font-size: 16px; line-height: normal;">Exelixis is active in the ever growing market of kinase inhibitors (KIs) for the treatment of cancer, that is, drugs that block the activity of kinases in cancer cells. Cancer cells are often described as cells that are out of control: They proliferate quickly, ignore death signals, invade nearby tissues and eventually metastasize to distant organs. These disease onset and advancement are associated with processes such as cell growth, motility and blood-vessel formation, which are governed by a complex network made of kinases. Thus, blocking these processes by inhibiting the relevant kinases has emerged as one of the most attractive approaches to fighting cancer.<br /></span></p></blockquote><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span style="font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; font-size: 16px; line-height: normal;"><br /></span></p></blockquote><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span style="font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; font-size: 16px; line-height: normal;">Together with monoclonal antibodies, kinase inhibitors represent a paradigm shift in cancer treatment from cytotoxic agents to targeted therapies, a trend that is constantly growing. Like antibodies for cancer, kinase inhibitors target tumors while sparing healthy cells and consequently lead to better activity with fewer side effects. Kinase inhibitors, however, possess several advantages over antibodies. The most evident advantage is that KIs can hit targets inside the cell while antibodies can only bind targets presented on the cell surface, so internal targets are approachable only by KIs. Another advantage is the fact that KIs can be given orally, which is a major factor in terms of patient convenience, especially given the typical long treatment duration associated with targeted therapies. Another advantage, which will be later discussed in the article, is the ability to produce KIs that hit several targets at once.<br /></span></p></blockquote><div><span style="font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; font-size: 16px; line-height: normal;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; font-size: 16px; line-height: normal;">Read the whole thing </span><a href="http://www.hammerstockblog.com/exelixis-as-a-platform-company/">here</a><span style="font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; font-size: 16px; line-height: normal;">.&#160;</span></div><div><span style="font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; font-size: 16px; line-height: normal;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; font-size: 16px; line-height: normal;">Speaking a software guy, the thing that is interesting to me here is that the platform approach allows a biotech to aggregate a large database of tests and test results to refine products across a range of targets and delivery mechanisms. Its just data. Cancer versus Moore&#39;s law? Puh-leeze.</span></div><div><span style="font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; font-size: 16px; line-height: normal;"><br /></span></div>]]></content:encoded>
      <pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 06:08:55 +0000</pubDate>
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      <source url="http://1raindrop.typepad.com/1_raindrop/2008/09/biotech-platforms.html">Biotech Platforms</source>
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      <title><![CDATA[Real Artists Ship]]></title>
      <link>http://securityratty.com/article/da6631c856e43a023c66515e59fbce16</link>
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      <description><![CDATA[For a number of reasons I follow emerging economies, the biggies being China and India. The BRIC countries (Brazil, Russia, India, and China) generally get lumped in together as the &quot;next big thing&quot;,...]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For a number of reasons I follow emerging economies, the biggies being China and India. The BRIC countries (Brazil, Russia, India, and China) generally get lumped in together as the &quot;next big thing&quot;, but they are at very, very different stages of development and more importantly are taking different paths. You can easily think of software security as an emerging discipline - despite a lot of talk and papers about Saltzer and Schroeder, we really don&#39;t have this stuff figured out.&#160;</p><br /><div>So China is following a well worn path similar to South Korea, Japan, and the early US. India is taking a totally different and unproven path towards growth. Tata Motors has been innovative in building the cheapest car - the Tata Nano which is a $2500 car, and<a href="http://1raindrop.typepad.com/1_raindrop/2008/01/to-those-about.html"> engineering triumph</a>, driven by a mantra that an engineer would stand behind &quot;do we really need that?&quot;</div><br /><div>Now the progress to executing on this is <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/03/world/asia/03tata.html?_r=1&amp;ref=world&amp;oref=slogin">held back</a> by India&#39;s dysfunctional environment:</div><br /><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span style="font-family: Verdana; font-style: italic; line-height: normal; ">In a tale rich with incongruities, the Communist-run government of West Bengal State invited the&#160;<a href="http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/business/companies/tata_group/index.html?inline=nyt-org" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; text-decoration: none; color: #006683; " title="More articles about the Tata Group.">Tata Group</a>, a symbol of Indian capitalism, to set up its plant in an area called Singur. It acquired 1,000 acres from farmers on the company’s behalf.</span><br /><span style="font-family: Verdana; font-style: italic; line-height: normal; ">As the project advanced, some farmers who had sold their land demanded it back. The main state-level opposition party, the Trinamool Congress, led protests demanding that the land be returned. Most people sympathetic to Tata accused the opposition of inducing the farmers to protest, while Tata’s critics said the farmers had legitimate grievances.</span></p></blockquote><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span style="font-family: Verdana; font-style: italic; line-height: normal;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: Verdana; font-style: italic; line-height: normal; ">The issue simmered for months. But in recent days, protesters began surrounding the plant, blocking roads and preventing Tata workers from reaching the plant. “The existing environment of obstruction, intimidation and confrontation has begun to impact the ability of the company to convince several of its experienced managers to relocate and work in the plant,” Tata said in a statement on Tuesday.</span><br /><span style="font-family: Verdana; font-style: italic; line-height: normal; "><br /></span></p></blockquote><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span style="font-family: Verdana; font-style: italic; line-height: normal; ">The halt to the plant has caused many Indian business people to warn of a chilling effect on investment in the country. It is also unclear how Tata will be able to keep the Nano’s cost so low, since part of the affordable price reflects the company’s savings on the land in Singur.</span></p></blockquote><p><span style="font-family: Verdana; font-style: italic; line-height: normal;"><br /><div><span style="font-style: normal; "><a href="http://voxeu.org/index.php?q=node/1585">Arvind Subramanian</a>&#160;compares China and India&#39;s trajectories:</span><br /></div><div><span style="font-style: normal;"><br /></span></div></span></p><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span style="font-family: Verdana; font-style: italic; line-height: normal; ">There is a fundamental asymmetry between state and markets. It is easier to create markets than it is to create state capacity or to prevent its deterioration. Creating markets is a lot about letting go, establishing a reasonable policy framework, and allowing the natural hustling instinct to take over. In other words, hustling is the natural state. Building state capacity, on the other hand, is quite different. It involves overcoming collective action problems, mediating conflict, creating accountability mechanisms where outputs are multiple and fuzzy and links between inputs and outputs murky, and contending with the deep imprints of history. In Weber’s memorable words, building public institutions is like the “slow boring of hard boards”.</span></p></blockquote><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span style="font-family: Verdana; font-style: italic; line-height: normal;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: Verdana; font-style: italic; line-height: normal; ">In that light, China’s task of improving its private sector seems easier to accomplish than India’s task of arresting institutional decline. So, while China and India can probably both count on more years of high growth, the odds still favour China pulling off that feat than India. That, and not just the meagre medal tally, should be what India mulls over after the Beijing Olympics.</span></p></blockquote><div><span style="font-family: Verdana; font-style: italic; line-height: normal;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: Verdana; line-height: normal; ">The Economist </span><a href="http://www.economist.com/blogs/freeexchange/2008/09/the_passion_of_the_tata.cfm">summarizes</a><span style="font-family: Verdana; line-height: normal; ">:</span></div><div><span style="font-family: Verdana; line-height: normal;"><br /></span></div><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span style="font-family: Verdana; line-height: normal; ">It&#39;s easier to liberalise a functional state than it is to functionalise a dysfunctional one, of any ideological stripe.</span></p></blockquote><p><span style="font-family: Verdana; line-height: normal;"><br /></span></p><div><span style="font-family: Verdana; line-height: normal;">What does all this have to do with ostensibly the topic at hand - Information Security? Well Tata Motors had the innovation but they didn&#39;t have the deployment model, at least not yet. More to the point, a lot of software security gets driven by infosec groups but real change is only coming when its driven by the development group. Why? Development groups are functional, they ship code.&#160;A lot of the success in software security is predicated by who you choose to partner with, it is more effective and easier to add security into a functional development group that ships code.</span></div><div><span style="font-family: Verdana; line-height: normal;"><br /></span></div><div><span style="font-family: Verdana; line-height: normal;"><br /></span></div>]]></content:encoded>
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      <title><![CDATA[Thoughts on Token Security]]></title>
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      <description><![CDATA[RSnake has a piece up on Token Security which raises some good points, but also misses some perspective. Firstly any article that makes a serious attempt at mitigating FUD is most welcome, especially...]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RSnake has a piece up on <a href="http://www.darkreading.com/blog.asp?blog_sectionid=403">Token Security</a> which raises some good points, but also misses some perspective. Firstly any article that makes a serious attempt at mitigating FUD is most welcome, especially in a space that is as overloaded as identity. That <span style="font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">said, I think RSnake is taking too narrow of a view, specifically B2C, on federation and tokens</span><span style="line-height: normal; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">. It is true that works on the web eventually filters into the enterprise, but it is also true that sometimes that things that start out as enterprise technologies later become cost effective on the web. So I would not assume that the current status quo on the web will hold. I don&#39;t think it will, the identity problems are too big and there is too much money at stake.</span></p><div><span style="line-height: normal; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; "><br /></span></div><div><span style="line-height: normal; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">I encourage you to read his article, here are some of my thoughts<br /></span><div><span style="line-height: normal; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; "><br /></span></div></div><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span style="line-height: normal; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">&quot;consumers hate tokens.&quot;</span></p></blockquote><div><div><span style="font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; "><span style="line-height: normal; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">
</span><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica; min-height: 14.0px"></p>
<p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"><span style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">Except that people use atm cards every day. Consumers will absolutely be inconvenienced, if there is some value created. The problem today is not the token, its the lack of a value proposition to the person you are inconveniencing.&#160;</span></p>
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</span></div></div><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span style="line-height: normal; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">&quot;Everyone wants to be the single federation platform for everyone else.&quot;</span></p></blockquote><div><div><span style="font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; "><span style="line-height: normal; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">
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<p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"><span style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">This will never work. and that&#39;s a good thing. i think most companies already realize this though. I think the walled garden model has gone the way of the dodo.</span></p>
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</span></div></div><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span style="line-height: normal; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">&quot;Federation will never work. It won’t work because the single most important consumer Web applications in the world are scared of it. Banks hate the concept because it becomes a weakest link in the chain problem.&quot;</span></p></blockquote><div><div><span style="font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; "><span style="line-height: normal; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">
</span><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica; min-height: 14.0px"></p>
<p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"><span style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">Federation works quite well. have a look at google for one example. The reason banks hate federation is that their infosec people have a </span><a href="http://1raindrop.typepad.com/1_raindrop/2008/08/mainframe-mindset.html"><span style="font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">mainframe mindset</span></a><span style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">, they are focused only on resource protection. the problem is they dont run mainframes on closed networks, they went and connected it to the web and so now they need to think about subject and claim security not just resource security. its not hatred its a lack of understanding stemming from a legacy mindset.</span></p><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"></p><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"><span style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">Linking up identity providers and relying parties into a federation has been a solved problem for quite some time.</span></p>
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</span></div></div><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span style="line-height: normal; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">&quot;Tokens don’t actually solve most security problems, like man-in-the-middle, phishing, and keystroke-logging malware.&quot;</span></p></blockquote><div><div><span style="font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; "><span style="line-height: normal; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">
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<p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"><span style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">Rule 1. there are no silver bullets in security</span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"><span style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">Rule 2. dont forget rule 1</span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"><span style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">but...</span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"><span style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">...there is a rule 3</span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"><span style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">rule 3. just because a security mechanism doesnt solve all of our problems doesnt mean its worthless.</span></p><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"></p><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"><span style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">I see this with security consultants all the time, they playa hate on static analysis or some scanning tool where they can find hundreds of things the tool doesn&#39;t. Fair point except 99.9999% of IT can&#39;t and won&#39;t find them. Engineering is about solving one incremental problem at a time.</span></p>
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</span></div></div><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span style="line-height: normal; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">&quot;Oh yes, and finally, consumers are going to have to carry around 13 of them just to make sure they can log into whatever they need to log into since no one will federate.&quot;</span></p></blockquote><div><div><span style="font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; "><span style="line-height: normal; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">
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<p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"><span style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">This misses the point of federation. i carry around one atm card its up to banks, Visa, Cirrus and so on to make sure i get my cash. the funny thing about banks not understanding federation is that they have the bet example right in front of their noses, the problem is its in a different department so they never see it.</span></p>
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</span></div></div><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span style="line-height: normal; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">&quot;Global federation is nowhere near a solid concept in the consumer space, despite what the vendors will try to sell you.&quot;</span></p></blockquote><div><div><span style="font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; "><span style="line-height: normal; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">
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<p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"><span style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">rule 4. do your own due diligence</span></p><span style="line-height: normal; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; "><br /></span><div><span style="font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">Tokens and federation are important building blocks for our digital future. I will leave you with a </span><a href="http://1raindrop.typepad.com/1_raindrop/2007/01/integrated_tran.html"><span style="font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">story</span></a><span style="font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; "> that</span><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Morris_%28cryptographer%29"><span style="font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; "> Robert Morris Sr.</span></a><span style="font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; "> told at Defcon several years ago:</span></div><span style="line-height: normal; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; "><br /></span></span></div></div><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">&quot;This is a long term problem. If you work on it and make any progress against it, you&#39;ll find yourself much smarter at the far end, than you were at the near end.</span></p></blockquote><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; "><br /></span><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">When I was in Norway about 5 years ago, I was there very close to the summer solstice. I was wandering around town at 2 o&#39;clock in the morning and there was plenty of light out. You come to a sign that says New Minsk about 60 km and it points south.</span><span style="font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; "><br /></span><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; "><br /></span></p></blockquote><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">And I ask the lady &quot;what country is this?&quot;</span><span style="font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; "><br /></span><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; "><br /></span></p></blockquote><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">She scratched her head for a bit, and said &quot;well I think its Norway&quot;</span><span style="font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; "><br /></span><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; "><br /></span></p></blockquote><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">I said &quot;well who plows the roads?&quot;</span><span style="font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; "><br /></span><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; "><br /></span></p></blockquote><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">&quot;well Norway does, but he have to pay them.&quot;</span><span style="font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; "><br /></span><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; "><br /></span></p></blockquote><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">There is a triple boundary in this town that I was in between Norway, Finland and Russia.</span><span style="font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; "><br /></span><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; "><br /></span></p></blockquote><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">But what I did there, was, I had a card about wallet size, I stuck it into a machine, I punched in four digits, and it gave me about 2,000 krone, whatever the hell that is.</span><span style="font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; "><br /></span><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; "><br /></span></p></blockquote><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">Now there are a lot of participants in that transaction. When I put a card into that machine, punch in a pin, and it gurgles for awhile, and finally gives me, a fairly large amount of money. There are a lot of participants in that transaction. The bank that owned the machine that gave me the money, it gave some money away -- that bank wants it back. The pin is necessary to convince my own bank that I&#39;m me. But I don&#39;t want my pin to be broadcast all over the world. My bank in the us, it hasn&#39;t really given out or taken in any money, really. But there is a lot of credits involved here. Somebody needs to charge somebody else for having more money&#160;available. Even though there was actually no cash transfer.</span></p></blockquote><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; "><br /></span></p></blockquote><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">And the problem that I have in mind is</span><span style="font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; "><br /></span><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">- who are all the participants in an ATM transaction?</span><span style="font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; "><br /></span><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">- what do those participants need to satisfy their problems?</span><span style="font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; "><br /></span><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">- how is that in fact done?</span><span style="font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; "><br /></span><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; "><br /></span></p></blockquote><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><p><span style="color: #333333; line-height: 19px; font-size: 13px; font-family: &#39;Trebuchet MS&#39;; ">In a general way, does the atm system actually work in some reasonable sense? To which the answer is by the way: yes. The atm system damn well works. With extremely high reliability and accuracy. It surprises me. Its quite a bit different than voting machines.</span></p></blockquote>]]></content:encoded>
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      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<div > Another great article from TrendMicro. Where do they get these writers? </div>
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      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reputation damage can be one of the most difficult concepts to build measurements around.  In fact, it can be difficult to develop the actual metrics for the measurements, as well.  Damage to things like &#8220;corporate reputation&#8221; and &#8220;goodwill&#8221; and &#8220;brand equity&#8221; can be difficult to wrap even reasonable dollar estimates around (When I use FAIR, I really only care to use one metric when describing loss magnitudes - the almighty currency).</p>
<p>Complicating factors is the impact (or lack thereof) of incidents on stock price.  Many researchers who identify themselves with the <strong><a href="http://www.amazon.com/New-School-Information-Security/dp/0321502787">New School of Information Security</a></strong> (yours truly included) want to immediately look at stock price as a bell-weather metric for incident impact.  I think this stems from our days of slinging FUD, back when we could scream &#8220;Buy a firewall or we&#8217;ll have an incident and you&#8217;ll be on the front page of the paper and the stock price will go down!&#8221;  But these days notable incidents seem to suggest that the impact on stock price for an incident is short lived.  <em><strong>With qualifications, of course.</strong></em></p>
<p>So what would/should we make of this from <a href="http://www.money.co.uk/article/1001229-12-million-wiped-off-helphire-stock-after-malicious-gmail-sent-to-clients.htm">Money.co.uk</a>?</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><strong>£12million ($24m) Wiped off Helphire Stock after Malicious Email Sent to Clients</strong></p>
<blockquote><p>Car hire firm Helphire have taken Google to court after a malicious email sent from a Gmail account saw their shares plummet £12million in a single day.</p>
<p>The Bath-based business who specialise in providing replacement cars to &#8216;no-fault&#8217; drivers involved in accidents on behalf of car insurance companies, initiated legal proceedings against the search engine giant as part of their attempt to find out who is responsible for sending the defamatory mailing.</p>
<p>Google are now known to have complied with the court order and have controversially supplied details of the email account and ISP used by the meddler.</p>
<p>Written under the psudoname Peter Franks, the 1200 word email is know to have been sent from a gmail account that was opened specifically for this purpose and closed a few minutes after the damage had been done&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;The misdemeanour couldn’t have come at a worse time for the struggling firm who have undergone a £45million rights issue and seen a 75% drop in the value of their stock already this year.</p></blockquote>
<p>That last paragraph, for me, explains some of the difficulty in tying reputation damage to stock decreases.  It&#8217;s like when you read the headlines from Bloomberg about why the days stocks (or commodity) prices are up or down.  You know, the &#8220;Oil closes $3 higher on news that a notable South American dictator has a rather unpleasant boil in a very uncomfortable area&#8221; type of headlines.  You really do have to question the causality and correlation.  So in the Helphire case above - is this new drop in stock really because of the email sent?  If so, should we view that $24mil number as an independent data point to describe this sort of attack on reputation, or is the magnitude aggravated due to the long-term trend of stock price?</p>
<p>Even when we have &#8220;Objective Data&#8221; (an in-joke for Adam S.) like this decline in stock price, it is really difficult to provide any sort of precise estimate or measurement - about the future, present or past.  The best we can do is use ranges, distributions, that are reasonable based on evidence and observation.</p>
<p>So it&#8217;s worth filing away this sort of datum for future use - while dutifully acknowledging the qualifiers we might place around it.</p>
<p>So the questions I ask here - what should we make of this new information, and how should we view the $24million drop - they&#8217;re not rhetorical.  I am very interested in your views and welcome your comments!</p>
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      <description><![CDATA[I don't know any of the details, but this seems like a good use of data mining: Mr Tancredi said Verisign's fraud detection kit would help &quot;decrease the time between the attack being launched and the...]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don't know any of the details, but <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7552009.stm">this</a> seems like a good use of data mining:</p>

<blockquote>Mr Tancredi said Verisign's fraud detection kit would help "decrease the time between the attack being launched and the brokerage being able to respond".

<p>Before now, he said, brokerages relied on counter measures such as restrictive stock trading or analysis packages that only spotted a problem when money had gone.</p>

<p>Verisign's software is a module that brokers can add to their in-house trading system that alerts anti-fraud teams to look more closely at trades that exhibit certain behaviour patterns.</p>

<p>"What this self-learning behavioural engine does is look at the different attributes of the event, not necessarily about the computer or where you are logging on from but about the actual transaction, the trade, the amount of the trade," said Mr Tancredi.</p>

<p>"For example have you liquidated all of your assets in stock that you own in order to buy one penny stock?" he said. "Another example is when a customer who normally trades tech stock on Nasdaq all of a sudden trades a penny stock that has to do with health care and is placing a trade four times more than normal."</blockquote></p>

<p>This is a good use of data mining because, as I <a href="http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2006/03/data_mining_for.html">said</a> previously:</p>

<blockquote>Data mining works best when there's a well-defined profile you're searching for, a reasonable number of attacks per year, and a low cost of false alarms.</blockquote>

<p>Another news article <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/zd/20080811/tc_zd/230711">here</a>.</p><div class="feedflare">
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