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    <pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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      <title><![CDATA[The McAfee Secure Standard: Sort Of]]></title>
      <link>http://securityratty.com/article/93a923291bb66872facd096a29cc894d</link>
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      <description><![CDATA[I need your help
I am in receipt of the McAfee Secure Standard, drafted to transparently describe the McAfee Secure service, as promised during my meeting with Joe Pierini and Kirk Lawrence of McAfee...]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[I need your help.<br />I am in receipt of the McAfee Secure Standard, drafted to transparently describe the McAfee Secure service, as promised during my <a href="http://holisticinfosec.blogspot.com/2008/08/mcirony-unexpected-response-from-mcafee.html" target="_blank">meeting</a> with Joe Pierini and Kirk Lawrence of McAfee some weeks ago. I admit my attitude has soured since last I discussed it here, as the Standard is not yet ready for public release (I last said 2-3 weeks and that was five weeks ago), but bear with me. I can't publish exact quotes from the Standard, as I've promised not to, but let me give you insight on the upside, then the downside.<br /><br />The upside includes all the transparency we'd hoped for. You'll read the McAfee Secure Standard and know exactly where they stand with regard as to what can be expected of the McAfee Secure Service. My discussions with Joe Pierini have been productive and respectful, he means well, and I believe he will try to drive the greater McAfee leadership to officially incorporate suggestions made in this blog. <br />I have even had the pleasure of reading a Researcher/Finder Policy that very succinctly describes what researchers can expect when they submit vulnerabilities found in McAfee Secure sites. That's all good stuff and to be applauded.<br /><br />Now for the downside.<br /><br />The McAfee Secure Standard will draw a clear distinction between "enterprise" customers and all the Ma & Pa websites who have so loved McAfee Secure / ScanAlert Hacker Safe for conversions.<br />The most glaring and painful distinction for me is this. While enterprise customers will have a clearly defined time line in which to remediate script injection vulnerabilities like XSS and open redirects, before losing their McAfee Secure badge, <span style="font-weight:bold;">the Ma & Pa sites will have absolutely no requirement to fix their XSS issues</span>. XSS vulnerabilities and the McAfee Secure badge will remain consistent on all those sites that care more about "convincing" their customers that they're secure with a McAfee Secure badge; a badge that, by its own pending standard, will contradict what we know to be truly secure.<br /><br />My views are clear. I have made every effort to convince McAfee that this stance is counter intuitive to good web application security standards. I believe that, in their own way, they are listening. So here's your chance.<br />1) Is transparency enough?<br />2) Is holding only enterprise customers accountable acceptable?<br />3) Should ALL McAfee Secure customers be expected to fix their vulnerabilities, even if on different timelines?<br />4) What else do you want McAfee to hear, in the form of constructive feedback only?<br />I will publish all well written, thoughtful comments here. Let's keep it positive and see if we can help convince McAfee that script injection vulnerabilities and McAfee Secure can't exist in the same physical space. Like matter and anti-matter. ;-)<br />The floor is yours...<br /><br /><a href="http://del.icio.us/post?url=http://holisticinfosec.blogspot.com/2008/10/mcafee-secure-standard-sort-of.html&title=The%20McAfee%20Secure%20Standard:%20Sort%20Of " title="The McAfee Secure Standard: Sort Of ">del.icio.us</a> | <a href="http://digg.com/submit?phase=2&amp;url=http://holisticinfosec.blogspot.com/2008/10/mcafee-secure-standard-sort-of.html" title="The McAfee Secure Standard: Sort Of ">digg</a> | <a href="http://slashdot.org/submit.pl?url=http://holisticinfosec.blogspot.com/2008/10/mcafee-secure-standard-sort-of.html">Submit to Slashdot</a>]]></content:encoded>
      <pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 19:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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      <source url="http://holisticinfosec.blogspot.com/2008/10/mcafee-secure-standard-sort-of.html">The McAfee Secure Standard: Sort Of</source>
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      <title><![CDATA[McAfee anti-fraud researcher charged with fraud]]></title>
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      <description><![CDATA[A former excutive at ScanAlert, the firm that offered the &quot;Hacker Safe&quot; certification before it was purchased by McAfee, has been charged with securities fraud in...]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[A former excutive at ScanAlert, the firm that offered the "Hacker Safe" certification before it was purchased by McAfee, has been charged with securities fraud in Indiana.
<p><a href="http://feeds.computerworld.com/~a/Computerworld/Security/News?a=PuujYV"><img src="http://feeds.computerworld.com/~a/Computerworld/Security/News?i=PuujYV" border="0"></img></a></p><img src="http://feeds.computerworld.com/~r/Computerworld/Security/News/~4/294126354" height="1" width="1"/>]]></content:encoded>
      <pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 06:28:30 +0000</pubDate>
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      <source url="http://feeds.computerworld.com/~r/Computerworld/Security/News/~3/294126354/article.do">McAfee anti-fraud researcher charged with fraud</source>
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      <title><![CDATA[McAfee anti-fraud researcher charged with fraud]]></title>
      <link>http://securityratty.com/article/7ea869caae86c789f717e3c3a2cb8aac</link>
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      <description><![CDATA[One of the researchers behind ScanAlert, the &quot;Hacker Safe&quot; certification company McAfee recently acquired, is facing fraud charges in...]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[One of the researchers behind ScanAlert, the "Hacker Safe" certification company McAfee recently acquired, is facing fraud charges in Indiana.]]></content:encoded>
      <pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 20:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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      <source url="http://www.networkworld.com/news/2008/051908-mcafee-anti-fraud-researcher-charged-with.html?fsrc=rss-security">McAfee anti-fraud researcher charged with fraud</source>
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      <title><![CDATA[Still not Hacker Safe, roll the video]]></title>
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      <description><![CDATA[Accuse me of beating a dead horse, but this really ticks me off. While preparing content for my monthly column , as well as presentation content for the ISSA NW Regional Security Conference , I found...]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[Accuse me of beating a dead horse, but this really ticks me off. While preparing content for my monthly <a href="http://holisticinfosec.org/content/view/12/26/">column</a>, as well as presentation content for the ISSA NW Regional Security <a href="http://www.issa-portland.org/regional2008/NWRegional08.htm">Conference</a>, I found yet another bunch of McAfee Hacker Safe branded sites that are completely vulnerable to cross-site scripting (XSS), as well as other issues. The video I took points out only reflected, non-persistent vulnerabilities...no sites were harmed in the making of the video, and all sites have been advised. Nonetheless, let me make my point yet one more time.<br /><span style="font-weight:bold;">1) Sites that are vulnerable to XSS are not PCI compliant. All of the sites in this video take CC payments and store customer information.<br />2) The sites in this video have been vulnerable for months. Additionally, some have been advised multiple times and have simply ignored my notices. Their McAfee Hacker Safe branding is active and has not been removed at any time.<br />3) The McAfee Hacker Safe service claims XSS as part of its vulnerability <a href="http://www.scanalert.com/site/en/security/howwescan/">checks</a>; sites that are vulnerable to it should not be showing the McAfee Hacker Safe label in perpetuity. <br /><span style="font-style:italic;">THEY ARE NOT HACKER SAFE AND CONSUMERS ARE AT RISK.</span></span><br />Please join me in protest by adding a comment to my open <a href="http://holisticinfosec.blogspot.com/2008/01/open-letter-to-ken-leonard-ceo.html">letter</a> to Ken Leonard, CEO of Scan Alert. Send them email, ask the sites to fix the issues.<br />Unknowing consumers deserve far more than false claims of security and empty assurances designed to grow McAfee/ScanAlert revenues.<br />As I am not the only person greatly concerned over this issue, please visit Rafal Los' fine <a href="http://preachsecurity.blogspot.com/">blog</a> for additional findings.<br />Enjoy the <a href="http://holisticinfosec.org/video/HS_ISSA/ISSA_Regional_HackerSafe.html">video</a>.<br /><br /><a href="http://del.icio.us/post?url=http://holisticinfosec.blogspot.com/2008/04/still-not-hacker-safe-roll-video.html&title=Still%20Not%20Hacker%20Safe,%20Roll%20The%20Video%20" title="Still not Hacker Safe, roll the video del.icio.us">del.icio.us</a> | <a href="http://digg.com/submit?phase=2&amp;url=http://holisticinfosec.blogspot.com/2008/04/still-not-hacker-safe-roll-video.html" title="Still not Hacker Safe, roll the video ">digg</a>]]></content:encoded>
      <pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 11:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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      <source url="http://holisticinfosec.blogspot.com/2008/04/still-not-hacker-safe-roll-video.html">Still not Hacker Safe, roll the video</source>
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      <title><![CDATA[PCI Co and ASVs]]></title>
      <link>http://securityratty.com/article/2d0b6c562a88594dcc29834f62a127ab</link>
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      <description><![CDATA[Talking of PCI SSC - We all know VISA has been the biggest contributer to the cause so far and has donated loads of time and IP towards PCI - which has been adopted by PCI Co - but what neither VISA...]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[Talking of PCI SSC - We all know VISA has been the biggest contributer to the cause so far and has donated loads of time and IP towards PCI - which has been adopted by PCI Co - but what neither VISA nor PCI Co have been able to successfully do so far - is to monitor the ASVs / QSAs to do their jobs correctly. Meaning QSAs should not be allowed to recommend vendor products or have relationships with vendors. That is so completely unethical. And ASVs should understand security. Seriously. I was completely aghast when I noticed <a href="http://myappsecurity.blogspot.com/2008/01/do-you-have-to-fix-xss-vulns-to-be-pci.html">Anurag's</a><a href="http://myappsecurity.blogspot.com/2008/01/do-you-have-to-fix-xss-vulns-to-be-pci.html"> </a>and <a href="http://jeremiahgrossman.blogspot.com/2008/01/scanalert-xss-is-not-our-problem.html">Jermiah Grossman's blog entries</a> about ScanAlert saying YOU DON'T HAVE TO FIX XSS ISSUES TO BE PCI COMPLIANT.  Symantec and ScanAlert really need Security 101.<br /><br /><span id="articleBody"><p>"XSS vulnerabilities do present a serious risk. However, to date their real-world use has been limited," said Oliver Friedrichs, director of <a href="http://www.symantec.com/">Symantec</a> Security Response in an e-mail. "XSS vulnerabilities can result in the theft of session cookies, Web site login credentials, and exploitation of trust. XSS vulnerabilities are site-specific, and therefore their life cycle is limited; they become extinct once they're discovered and repaired by the Web site owners." </p><p><span id="articleBody">Joseph Pierini, director of enterprise services for the ScanAlert "Hacker Safe" program, maintains that XSS vulnerabilities can't be used to hack a server. </span>He maintains that XSS vulnerabilities aren't material to a site's certification. "Cross-site scripting can't be used to hack a server," he said. "You may be able to do other things with it. You may be able to do things that affect the end-user or the client. But the customer data protected with the server, in the database, isn't going to be compromised by a cross-site scripting attack, not directly." </p><p>Pierini dismisses the suggestion that certifying a site as "Hacker Safe" when it remains vulnerable to XSS attacks could be confusing to consumers. He insists that the meaning of the certification is clear and notes that his company's scanning service reports the XSS flaws it finds to its clients. </p><p>"We definitely identify this [XSS] and we definitely bring this to our customers' attention," he said." And we provide our customers with the information. Our customers are allowed to make the decision where to put their resources. I personally want them to put their resources where they're needed most, in things that can affect the confidentiality, the integrity, or the availability of that system that we're certifying. Cross-site scripting can be used to do a variety of things, but it's all on the client side. And that's an area that we don't have control over."</p><br /><br /><p> </p></span>]]></content:encoded>
      <pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 20:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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      <source url="http://securitycoin.blogspot.com/2008/03/pci-co-and-asvs.html">PCI Co and ASVs</source>
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      <title><![CDATA[HP Corners the Market on Hackers]]></title>
      <link>http://securityratty.com/article/791e979451681fb0b89274706a1d46e9</link>
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      <description><![CDATA[I thought this was a pretty funny quote from this article
Nine out of the worlds top 11 security hackers came to HP through the SPI Dynamics acquisition, he boasts, although its not immediately clear...]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought this was a pretty funny quote from <a href="http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=206105145" target="_blank">this article</a>.</p>
<blockquote><p>Nine out of the world&#8217;s top 11 security hackers came to HP through the SPI Dynamics acquisition, he boasts, although it&#8217;s not immediately clear who ranked those top 11.</p></blockquote>
<p>The &#8220;he&#8221; is Mark Potts CTO of Software, Hewlett-Packard. When I read that the first thing that came to mind was; Billy Hoffman is top 10 material? The end is near!! (joking&#8230;) Then I wondered who is ranking hackers and how much would it cost to get the #1 spot. Then later I thought there must be a real ranking because if you where making it up you would just say &#8220;nine out of the top ten, not 9 out of the top 11&#8243; which would generally mean you had 8 of the top ten and one person at eleven so you went for Top eleven instead of top ten. Maybe people from Australia use a top 11 system?</p>
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      <title><![CDATA[An Open Letter to Ken Leonard, CEO, ScanAlert]]></title>
      <link>http://securityratty.com/article/34b717eeff3776051cfc729372df30db</link>
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      <description><![CDATA[Dear Mr. Leonard

As well you are aware; the Hacker Safe brand has long been viewed by those in the information security field with varying levels of skepticism, if not vehement disdain. As there are...]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[Dear Mr. Leonard,<br /><br />As well you are aware; the Hacker Safe brand has long been viewed by those in the information security field with varying levels of skepticism, if not vehement disdain. As there are a plethora of blogs, articles, and exposed vulnerabilities available for you to review, I will not waste your time with excerpts validating our position. Suffice it say, the community at large shares certain doubt about the service offering ScanAlert arrogantly calls Hacker Safe.<br />It is our view that this is a marketing position only. Nothing, I repeat, nothing, is truly "hacker safe".  You claim that websites are free of vulnerabilities when they are clearly not. This is disingenuous and is at the root of what angers information security professionals. If a site is vulnerable while under the auspicious care of ScanAlert's Hacker Safe program should it not lose its Hacker Safe credential until such a time as the vulnerability is remediated? If I take this down to a fundamentally simple premise, saying a site is Hacker Safe while vulnerable to SQL injection, XSS, CSRF, etc. is, in essence, a misrepresentation. If a consumer commits a transaction on a site that is vulnerable, are they not at risk due to vulnerabilities your service <a href="http://www.scanalert.com/site/en/security/howwescan/">claims</a> to scan for? While we understand that you are in the business of growing revenue by indicating websites as “hacker safe”, we believe you are also beholden to the consumers using those sites.<br />We ask of you this: <span style="font-style:italic;">if a site is found to be vulnerable during your scans, or as reported by third parties, then enforce the findings and suspend their certification. Strive to improve your scan engine where possible. It is your responsibility to NOT label a site “Hacker Safe” when it is not.</span> Then, at least, you are telling the truth, and a consumer can make an informed choice as to how confident they feel about the site's security practices. <br /><span style="font-weight:bold;">There are, at the time of this writing, sites still vulnerable to XSS, yet branded Hacker Safe, that were identified as vulnerable MORE THAN A YEAR AGO. These sites should not be reported as Hacker Safe, period.</span><br />Please don't insult us with more of Joseph Pierini’s pearls of wisdom like “XSS vulnerabilities aren't material to a site's certification”. Adopting a view like this is ridiculous and blatantly ignorant given the risks to consumers. You scan for XSS and clearly denote it in your How We Scan section. Therefore, if a site is vulnerable to XSS it is not “Hacker Safe”. <br />This is far from the first round, credit <a href="http://www.darkreading.com/document.asp?doc_id=110363">sla.ckers.org</a> with driving this point home in 2006, only to be shrugged off by Pierini then too. I think there may be a job opening for him over at Zango. Perhaps he could change his mantra from “XSS is not our problem” to “We don’t make spyware.”<br />  What about the PCI argument? If a site is vulnerable to XSS, it’s simply not compliant. See this <a href="http://holisticinfosec.blogspot.com/2008/01/xss-and-pci-not-compliant-or-hacker.html">post</a> for details. It all adds up to consumers at risk. ScanAlert should remember, above all, that safety for the consumer is paramount. Why not live up to your marketing hype and offer a service that truly, honestly, and with integrity, lives up to even a fraction of its namesake.<br />"What gets us into trouble is not what we don't know. It's what we know for sure that just ain't so. - Mark Twain"<br /><br />Sincerely,<br /><br />Russ McRee<br /><br /><span style="font-style:italic;">Those information security professionals wishing to lend your name to this plea, please add your name as a comment.</span><br /><br /><a href="http://del.icio.us/post?url=http://holisticinfosec.blogspot.com/2008/01/open-letter-to-ken-leonard-ceo.html&title=An%20Open%20Letter%20to%20Ken%20Leonard,%20CEO,%20ScanAlert" title="An Open Letter to Ken Leonard, CEO, ScanAlert del.icio.us">del.icio.us</a> | <a href="http://digg.com/submit?phase=2&amp;url=http://holisticinfosec.blogspot.com/2008/01/open-letter-to-ken-leonard-ceo.html" title="An Open Letter to Ken Leonard, CEO, ScanAlert ">digg</a>]]></content:encoded>
      <pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 10:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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      <source url="http://holisticinfosec.blogspot.com/2008/01/open-letter-to-ken-leonard-ceo.html">An Open Letter to Ken Leonard, CEO, ScanAlert</source>
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      <title><![CDATA['Hacker Safe' seal: Web site shield, or target?]]></title>
      <link>http://securityratty.com/article/306d0f47ef1d47d2150011e4b2d6cbf9</link>
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      <description><![CDATA[More than 80,000 Web sites worldwide display a small green logo that proclaims them to be &quot;Hacker Safe.&quot; The logo is provided to them by ScanAlert, a vendor that scans the sites of its clients daily...]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[More than 80,000 Web sites worldwide display a small green logo that proclaims them to be "Hacker Safe." The logo is provided to them by ScanAlert, a vendor that scans the sites of its clients daily in search of security vulnerabilities.]]></content:encoded>
      <pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 21:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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      <source url="http://www.networkworld.com/news/2008/012208-hacker-safe-seal-web-site.html?fsrc=rss-security">'Hacker Safe' seal: Web site shield, or target?</source>
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      <title><![CDATA[ScanAlert - XSS is Cool with Us]]></title>
      <link>http://securityratty.com/article/e5fb593d3f3a937acb04edc7d81cd9ce</link>
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      <description><![CDATA[Sometimes I just want to give up. I really hate XSS because it is really a tricky issue to explain to people that dont understand. It basically boils down to bad people using my website to compromise...]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes I just want to give up. I really hate <a href='http://www.grumpysecurityguy.com/wp-content/plugins/wp-affiliate-pro.php?id=9' onmouseover="top.window.status='http://www.cgisecurity.com/articles/xss-faq.shtml'; return true" onmouseout="top.window.status=''; return true" target="_blank">XSS</a> because it is really a tricky issue to explain to people that don&#8217;t understand.  It basically boils down to bad people using my website to compromise clients. What they do with those compromised clients can range from fairly benign <a href="http://www.webappsec.org/projects/whid/byid_id_2005-11.shtml" target="_blank">replicating worms</a> ,  <a href="http://www.webappsec.org/projects/whid/byid_id_2006-36.shtml" target="_blank">phishing</a> <a href="http://www.webappsec.org/projects/whid/byid_id_2008-02.shtml" target="_blank">scams</a>, all the way to total remote control of the end users browser. The fine folks at <strike>Scam</strike> ScanAlert clearly <a href="http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=205900444" target="_blank">don&#8217;t think this is a problem</a> though.</p>
<p>It is hard enough to educate web site owners that this is a problem and how it impacts them without having to fight against people in our own industry telling them it is OK to have XSS vulnerabilities.</p>
<p><a href="http://jeremiahgrossman.blogspot.com/2008/01/scanalert-xss-is-not-our-problem.html" target="_blank">Jeremiah</a> and <a href="http://www.infosecnews.org/hypermail/0801/14277.html" target="_blank">Jericho</a> provide more great commentary.</p>
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      <source url="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/GrumpySecurityGuy/~3/220571166/">ScanAlert - XSS is Cool with Us</source>
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      <title><![CDATA[Hacker Safe? Not so much.]]></title>
      <link>http://securityratty.com/article/bf319fc9e1a9dcb0e60c2720e7611bbe</link>
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      <description><![CDATA[Likely you've all read about Hacker Safe certified Geeks.com being hacked . ScanAlert, recently bought by McAfee, says that &quot;research indicates sites remotely scanned for known vulnerabilities on a...]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[Likely you've all read about Hacker Safe certified Geeks.com being <a href="http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=205600099">hacked</a>. ScanAlert, recently bought by McAfee, says that "research indicates sites remotely scanned for known vulnerabilities on a daily basis, such as those earning 'Hacker Safe' certification, can prevent over 99% of hacker crime." <br />I agree...but here comes strike two.<br />I was happily bouncing about the internet looking for things that should be fixed,  when what did I see at <a href="http://www.toastmasters.org">Toastmasters International</a> but a McAfee Hacker Safe certificate. Ever the skeptic, I said to myself "Prove it." But, of course, because my white hat and professional values require it, I remembered that <span style="font-style:italic;">first, do no harm</span> are words to live by. But a wee script test in a form field can't hurt, right? <br />There's video of this <a href="http://holisticinfosec.org/video/tm_HackerSafe.html">here</a> if you prefer.<br />Let's begin.<br />Here's the Advanced Search page, note the McAfee Hacker Safe tag in the lower right:<br /><br /><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://holisticinfosec.org/images/hackersafe/AdvancedSearch.png"><img style="float:center; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 400px;" src="http://holisticinfosec.org/images/hackersafe/SimpleScript.png" border="0" alt="" /></a><br />Then, said little test script about to be submitted to the Advanced Search page:<br /><br /><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://holisticinfosec.org/images/hackersafe/SimpleScript.png"><img style="float:center; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 400px;" src="http://holisticinfosec.org/images/hackersafe/SimpleScript.png" border="0" alt="" /></a><br /></p><br />Ruh roh, Rastro. Can you say XSS?<br /><br /><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://holisticinfosec.org/images/hackersafe/NotSoMuch.png"><img style="float:center; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 400px;" src="http://holisticinfosec.org/images/hackersafe/NotSoMuch.png" border="0" alt="" /></a><br /><br />Man, that's not good, so let's try a bit more trickery.<br /><br /><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://holisticinfosec.org/images/hackersafe/iFrame.png"><img style="float:center; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 400px;" src="http://holisticinfosec.org/images/hackersafe/iFrame.png" border="0" alt="" /></a><br /><br /><a href="http://www.xssed.com/about">XSSed</a> indeed.<br /><br /><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://holisticinfosec.org/images/hackersafe/xssed.png"><img style="float:center; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 400px;" src="http://holisticinfosec.org/images/hackersafe/xssed.png" border="0" alt="" /></a><br /><br />Something tells me the McAfee Hacker Safe service offering would do well to dig a little deeper before certifying a site.<br />Meanwhile, sanitizing input might not be a bad idea for our Toastmasters friends.<br />Play nice until Toastmasters gets a chance to fix it, please. I've already let them know.<br />Cheers.<br /><a href="http://del.icio.us/post?url=http://holisticinfosec.blogspot.com/2008/01/hacker-safe-not-so-much.html&title=Hacker%20Safe%20Not%20So%20Much" title="Hacker Safe not so much del.icio.us">del.icio.us</a> | <a href="http://digg.com/submit?phase=2&amp;url=http://holisticinfosec.blogspot.com/2008/01/hacker-safe-not-so-much.html" title="Hacker Safe not so much ">digg</a>]]></content:encoded>
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