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      <title><![CDATA[Messaging and Event Processing]]></title>
      <link>http://securityratty.com/article/fd1957191d920d6269f4de936020f086</link>
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      <description><![CDATA[In On Messaging and Events Opher asks, Is event processing just fancy name to message processing
Most event processing systems would be incomplete without the ability to process events in the form of...]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In <a href="http://http://epthinking.blogspot.com/2008/07/on-messages-and-events.html" target="_blank">On Messaging and Events</a> Opher asks, <em>&#8220;Is event processing just fancy name to message processing ?&#8221;</em></p>
<p>Most event processing systems would be incomplete without the ability to process events in the form of messages.   Messages can be delivered in either a connection-oriented protocol or a connectionless protocol.   Most enterprise-class messaging systems have both.   Many messaging systems have features like guarenteed delivery, which are important to many applications.</p>
<p>On the other hand, you do not have to work with a messaging system or enterprise service bus (ESB) to process events, because the transport layer is independent from the event processing layer, theoretically.  Most enterprise-class event processing system architectures will use a combination of both asynchronous and synchronous messaging. </p>
<p>To understand event processing I recommend you turn to network management and the practical use of Simple Network Management Protocol (SMNP) for a basic undertanding of event processing.   SNMP uses both synchronous event-based messaging, called polling, and asynchronous messaging, called traps.   Network management systems engineers use a combination of both polling and trapping in all enterprise-class operational NMS.  Optimizing polling and trapping is one of the tasks good NMS engineers do well. The same holds true in most distributed event processing architectures.  </p>
<p>For example, look at the <a href="http://www.thecepblog.com/what-is-complex-event-processing/" target="_blank">CEP/EP reference architecture</a> on this site.  You will notice that the mechanism for event transport is generic, represented as an event bus, but it does not specify the transport protocol.  If you are receiving raw events and comparing correlated results against a signature in a database, you are using both asynchronous and synchronous messaging.    In theory, you could build an event processing system with only connection-oriented protocols, but this would be an exeception, not the rule.</p>
<p>Event processing is generally associated with messaging because we generally represent event-objects as electronic messages.   In theory, we could call these cyber event-objects anything we want; for example, we could call them &#8220;packets.&#8221; However, packets are generally associated with the underlying Internet Protocol (IP) layer by network engineers.  </p>
<p>Moving up the stack, we think in terms of a complete message-object, which we generally call &#8220;a message.&#8221;  This message could be an SNMP event-object, an SMTP event-object (an email message), or an HTML request to a web server, to only name a few.    In fact, the basic unit of work at the application level of a distributed network application is what we call &#8220;a message.&#8221;  </p>
<p>So, in <a href="http://http://epthinking.blogspot.com/2008/07/on-messages-and-events.html" target="_blank">On Messaging and Events</a> Opher asks, <em>&#8220;Is event processing just fancy name to message processing ?&#8221;</em></p>
<p>Events are generally represented in some electronic format.  The event-object must be transported electronically in cyberspace, and the way that it is transported is in what network engineers generally call &#8220;a message.&#8221;   It make no difference what we call it, really; because whatever we call it, it is still binary data representing information we are interested in, hopefully in a format we can efficiently process.    Enterprise-class event processing systems are designed to work with myriad formats, protocols and transports.   One size does not fit all.</p>
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      <pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 05:02:47 +0000</pubDate>
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      <source url="http://www.thecepblog.com/2008/07/13/messaging-and-event-processing/">Messaging and Event Processing</source>
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      <title><![CDATA[Feature Request #1: Stable Code]]></title>
      <link>http://securityratty.com/article/8ccf3e65d2b1b8b72fdbe0860c092c80</link>
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      <description><![CDATA[I have a note to all network hardware vendors
Dear network vendor
As someone that is forced to configure and implement security on your hardware, I would greatly appreciate stable code and properly...]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I have a note to all network hardware vendors&#8230;</em></p><p>Dear network vendor,</p><p>As someone that is forced to configure and implement security on your hardware, I would greatly appreciate stable code and properly functioning features. Unfortunately, I cannot always choose the hardware my customers are using in their infrastructure. However, if you would like for me to recommend they continue purchasing and using it, then the product must demonstrate to me that it is: capable, reliable, predictable and well-documented. If your product is not meeting these requirements, I&#8217;m forced to recommend other solutions to your (current) customer. </p><p><u>Stable Code</u>. If I have to spend 2-6 hours per implementation working through your product&#8217;s bugs, and then must either spend time on a support call or spend time getting packet captures to prove to you it&#8217;s not working, I am not a happy camper because you&#8217;re slowing down my progress. Your customer is not happy because they&#8217;re paying for that time and I&#8217;m not cheap. </p><p><u>Features</u>. Don&#8217;t publish in technical documentation that your product, or code can do something, only for me to find out later that it cannot. On-site in the middle of an implementation is not the time to architect Plan B. Let me know before, either through technical docs, white papers, best practices or release notes. I do read those. If you want to bend the truth, do it the marketing fluff, not my technical documents. </p><p><u>Documentation</u>. If your product <em>does</em> do what you say it does, then please do document and explain the concepts and procedures. Examples are good, but explanations are mandatory. A correct CLI reference is always lovely as well. If there are got&#8217;chas or tricks, please also document those. Again, white papers or release notes are fine. Having to track down the one security engineer from your company that holds the magic key is not practical, nor scalable. Plus, he may be on vacation during my install, which would make me irate. </p><p><u>Support</u>. If your product is not functioning or performing as expected, do NOT expect your customers to have a current maintenance contract to address a known issue or bug (or an un-known issue or bug for that matter). If they found a bug for you, you should probably <em>give</em> them a maintenance contract for a year&#8230; or two. If you don&#8217;t let us call support, I will find one of your pre-sales engineers and we will use him or her for post-sales support, which is not what you want them to do. But that&#8217;s your problem, not mine.</p><p>I believe that sums up the major issues. Specifically, I am interested in security, RADIUS, SSH, SNMP, DHCP&nbsp;and 802.1X functions. Before you add another bell or tweak another whistle, please make what you have works&#8230; consistently. That should be first, so it&#8217;s my Feature Request #1. </p><p>Respectfully,</p><p>jj</p><p># # #</p>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 00:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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      <source url="http://www.securityuncorked.com/security-uncorked/2008/6/30/feature-request-1-stable-code.html">Feature Request #1: Stable Code</source>
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      <title><![CDATA[Vulnerability in SNMP 3]]></title>
      <link>http://securityratty.com/article/51ac6442a07e08115c26e79b4e77336a</link>
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      <description><![CDATA[Dennis Fisher blogs over at SearchSecurity.com about a new critical flaw found in SNMPv3 . I have blogged before how some NAC vendors that utilize SNMP have tried to fool unknowing sys admins that...]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dennis Fisher blogs over at SearchSecurity.com about a <a href="http://security.blogs.techtarget.com/2008/06/10/critical-flaw-found-in-snmpv3/">new critical flaw found in SNMPv3</a>. I have blogged before how some NAC vendors that utilize SNMP have tried to fool unknowing sys admins that SNMP stands for security network management protocol, instead of simple NMP. <br><br>The SNMP zealots have always tried to counter the SNMP is not secure arguments by pointing to v3 as very security method and now this flaw is found. How many more will be found? In any event glad they found and fixed this. Now if they could just find someone using SNMPv3 it would be great!</p><blockquote></blockquote>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 03:17:05 +0000</pubDate>
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      <source url="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/StillsecureAfterAllTheseYears/~3/309585000/vulnerability-i.html">Vulnerability in SNMP 3</source>
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      <title><![CDATA[A new blog on the block]]></title>
      <link>http://securityratty.com/article/c6eda6c5c1c23f51c5d135737ae9a1fb</link>
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      <description><![CDATA[This one is not all security related, but is the ScienceLogic Blog . One of my favorite persons in the IT field Dave Link is the CEO and founder of ScienceLogic. Several other friends from Interliant...]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This one is not all security related, but is the <a href="http://blog.sciencelogic.com/">ScienceLogic Blog</a>. One of my favorite persons in the IT field Dave Link is the CEO and founder of ScienceLogic. Several other friends from Interliant including Louis Dimiglio (sorry if I messed up the spelling Lou!), Richard Chart and Chris Cordray are also part of the team. They have done a great job of creating a network management product and in a hyper-competitive industry carving out a place for themselves. I am running into them more and more at shows, conferences and in the field. Now they have joined the blogging ranks and it looks like there will be several contributers. They are all smart folks and I am sure will have good things to say, so be sure to check out the blog!<br><br>In one article responding to <a href="http://www.stillsecureafteralltheseyears.com/ashimmy/2008/05/is-interop-abou.html">a post I did</a> about where is the interoperational in interop, Dave says that he and the ScienceLogic team had a very different experience at Interop this year. Due to their participation in the InteropNet and ILabs project, ScienceLogic was very involved in making sure the network at Interop was up and running and showing off the many different products and vendors working together. Certainly the work of the many people at Interop Labs and Interop Net show how heterogeneous equipment and technology can work together, but where those labs and network used to be the center of the show, I am not so sure that is the case any more. Many folks walk by the NOC at Interop, peak inside at the folks at the stations, smile and move on. How many actually take the tour compared to how many walk the floor or sit in on presentations. I think in Dave's view it is a case of when you are a hammer, everything looks like a nail. <br><br>More importantly though Dave challenges me to answer his questions of what StillSecure has done to promote interoperability with other vendors that we can promote. Great question and it deserves an answer. So at the risk of giving StillSecure a shameless plug, let me give you the three foundations that we have built our products on that allow us to excel at interoperability:<br><br>1. Using open standard software and hardware - All StillSecure products run on off the shelf x86 hardware or in VMware virtual machines. Additionally, our products all run on top of the StillSecure OS which is a hardened and stripped version of Linux, but still provides that standard command line programs and interoperability that the Linux OS allows. Additionally, we use standard and open databases such as MySQL and PostgresSQL that are SQL and ODBC compliant. Additionally, we have open data base schema's. Also, we use Java webservers and similar types of open standard software that makes it easier for us to work with other products and for our customers to feel comfortable with what is under the hood.<br><br>2. Support of industry frameworks and standards - Whether it be TCG/TNC or NAP in the NAC world or CVE and FDCC in vulnerability management, we support industry wide standards and frameworks which allow products to work with each other. SNMP traps, SMTP email alerts are all standard in StillSecure products. <br><br>3. Enterprise Integration Frameworks- StillSecure products all ship with our enterprise integration frameworks. These are a complete set of fully documented and functional APIs in XML and Java that allow for the bi-directional exchange of data with many 3rd party products. This is perhaps our greatest means of interoperabitility and integration.<br><br>Dave, I hope that answered the question for you. Now that we know about the blog, we will be reading. Good Luck!</p>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 19:36:19 +0000</pubDate>
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      <source url="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/StillsecureAfterAllTheseYears/~3/292083057/a-new-blog-on-t.html">A new blog on the block</source>
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      <title><![CDATA[Interoperability How Networking Should Be]]></title>
      <link>http://securityratty.com/article/d2aea28af548c9169de311b875ec3ce0</link>
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      <description><![CDATA[Remember when Interop was Networld+Interop ? Somewhere along the way, it lost the Networld and has clearly embraced the interoperability focus, and nowhere was this more apparent than in InteropNet...]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember <a href="http://www.networkworld.com/news/2008/042608-interop-networking-fest-stakes-new.html?page=1" target="_blank">when Interop was Networld+Interop</a>? Somewhere along the way, it lost the Networld and has clearly embraced the interoperability focus, and nowhere was this more apparent than in InteropNet – the show network project which brought together 17 vendors to make the largest temporary network in the world.</p>
<p>The lofty goals: Vendors working together in a very abbreviated timetable to make sure that their solutions 1) worked 2) got fully deployed to support the show network goals and 3) talked to each other so that the sum of the parts added up to much more than the individual solutions.</p>
<p>It’s a heterogeneous world. We see it all the time, and it shows in our products. We talk about being vendor neutral – so whether you’re using Cisco (probably), Juniper, Foundry, Enterasys (and the list goes on), EM7 can provide fault and performance monitoring for all of it. Agents, no agents – we don’t care as long as there’s some way to communicate with each other (XML, SOAP, SNMP, SQL queries, logs, traps, emails…).</p>
<p><a href="http://blog.sciencelogic.com/network-security-it-takes-a-village/05/14/2008/" target="_blank">Louis will share a post later on a neat, real-world and real-time wireless security solution that took EM7, Enterasys and Aruba together to make happen</a>. Using this, the InteropNet NOC team could literally find network/security offenders even if they were hiding under a desk somewhere on the show floor.</p>
<p>InteropNet – we loved it. We’re probably a bit biased because having everything connected and able to talk to each other is at the heart of what we do. But there was truly a sense of people wanting to help each other out – vendors, show organizers, and of course volunteers – that made InteropNet a great team experience and a lovely microcosm example of how networking should be.</p>
<p>And all this is not even going into Interop’s ILabs – which had some very cool, vendor-agnostic projects around NAC and UCM. Gerard from Cisco (who I met in the casino lounge – hey it’s Vegas) gave me a tour and showed off the <a href="http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/wireless/products_category_buyers_guide.html#http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/wireless/products_category_buyers_guide.html?linkpos=4#number_4" target="_blank">Cisco wireless management software</a>.</p>
<p>There’s just a couple of months off and then this process starts again for <a href="http://www.interop.com/newyork/" target="_blank">Interop NY</a>. Will New York be different? Well, for one thing, we won’t be stranded in a desert with too much to drink.</p>
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      <title><![CDATA[Babies and bath water]]></title>
      <link>http://securityratty.com/article/32bba00f4931b70f1032ddaa9f411343</link>
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      <description><![CDATA[So the security blogging world welcomes a new contributor in Chris B over at Napera Networks. The Napera blog joined the security bloggers network a short time ago and with the public unveiling of the...]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a onclick="window.open(this.href, '_blank', 'width=288,height=481,scrollbars=no,resizable=no,toolbar=no,directories=no,location=no,menubar=no,status=no,left=0,top=0'); return false" href="http://www.stillsecureafteralltheseyears.com/.shared/image.html?/photos/uncategorized/2008/03/21/baby_2.jpg"><img title="Baby_2" height="334" alt="Baby_2" src="http://www.stillsecureafteralltheseyears.com/ashimmy/images/2008/03/21/baby_2.jpg" width="200" border="0" style="FLOAT: right; MARGIN: 0px 0px 5px 5px"></img></a> So the security blogging world welcomes a new contributor in <a href="http://www.napera.com/blog/?p=17">Chris B over at Napera</a> Networks. The Napera blog joined the security bloggers network a short time ago and with the public unveiling of the company. Chris's first article is called <a href="http://www.napera.com/blog/?p=17">NAC is dead, long live NAC</a>. Evidently Chris was at one time working over at Lockdown Networks and brings his own unique views on what went wrong at Lockdown.<br><br>Chris makes some good points about the Lockdown shutdown. One in particular that I think we should all realize is that Lockdown's failure is not a failure of NAC technology, but rather a failure of Lockdown's execution. NAC still solves problems that customers have. Done right, NAC is valuable and will find its place in the security world. Over the past few days there have been more people people jumping on the "NAC sucks" bandwagon than their were vendors coming out with NAC solutions just a few short years ago. I read with disbelief Eric Ogrens piece in ComputerWorld the other day about him never being a believer in NAC. I don't remember him saying that when we were briefing him a few years ago. But maybe he was getting paid to cover NAC than, I don't know. But it is certainly fashionable to throw dirt on NAC now and there are plenty of people only too happy to do so. Frankly, part of me wants to say sure go ahead, throw dirt. It will be that much sweeter to show the naysayers wrong. Actually selling the solution we see the real market for NAC and remain jazzed. For us it is about executing <br><br>What I fear is that we are throwing out babies with the bath water here with all of the NAC bashing. Yes there are companies in this space that frankly don't have the technology or the team to make it. Lockdown is a perfect example. But there are others who have actually built a better mousetrap and the market (the ultimate decision maker) is rewarding them. But if the media and analysts just keep bashing NAC it becomes almost a self-fulfilling prophesy. No matter how good the technology or the team it is like spitting into the wind. I saw this happen with the dot com bubble first hand. Many companies that were doing great things were killed off in the great extinction of the dot coms. It took years for the market to come back. In the case of NAC not only would the better NAC companies and technologies be the ones to suffer, but the networks they can protect would suffer. NAC is attractive because it solves a real problem that people have and in spite of what Paul Roberts at 451 or Amrit says, there are not existing tools that solve that problem for them well.<br><br>My only issue with Chris is he confuses the problem that Lockdown was solving with the way they were solving it. Yes using the network including switches is a great way to control access. However Lockdowns technology to test these devices was circumspect. But more than that SNMP is never going to scale for NAC. It is not secure and more importantly you just can't wire and script every model and version of switch out there. Inherently Lockdown had the wrong solution to the right problem, on top of some of the other focus issues that Chris talks about. <br><br>All in all though, Lockdown's failure should stop being used as a blunt instrument by the naysayers to bludgeon the NAC vendors who are executing and solving customers problems!</p>
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      <description><![CDATA[System administrators have long been wary of the security implications of Simple Network Management Protocol (SNMP), but a recent experiment by &quot;ethical hacking&quot; group GNUCitizen has shown that many...]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[System administrators have long been wary of the security implications of Simple Network Management Protocol (SNMP), but a recent experiment by "ethical hacking" group GNUCitizen has shown that many SNMP-enabled devices are left unguarded and may be prone to giving away sensitive information.]]></content:encoded>
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      <description><![CDATA[As I have written before, I always laugh when I remember speaking to a potential NAC customer who had recently met with a NAC competitor of ours. We got around to discussing enforcement options and...]]></description>
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<div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><p>As I have written before, I always laugh when I remember speaking to a potential NAC customer who had recently met with a NAC competitor of ours.&nbsp; We got around to discussing enforcement options and the customer was hell bent on using SNMP to have his switches enforce access policies.&nbsp; I explained to him that since he had switches from at least 3 different vendors and different models of switches from each of those vendors, the idea of scripting each of those switches and than updating each of them every time there was a change was a lot of work. He understood that but was willing to put up with the extra work for the added security that SNMP afforded him over 802.1x.&nbsp; Amazed, I informed him that SNMP is not usually thought of as very secure and that 802.1x while not perfect, had many advantages in terms of security over SNMP.&nbsp; Than the kicker! The prospect told me I must be mistaken, after all SNMP stood for Secure Networking Management Protocol, didn't it?&nbsp; When I stopped laughing I asked him where he heard that.&nbsp; He told me that the NAC vendor he spoke to before me told him that and touted how by using SNMP he was getting the most secure method of NAC.&nbsp; After all SNMP was designed for security!&nbsp; Well after some quick Google searching, he quickly found out that the other NAC vendor was feeding him a line and it made me and StillSecure golden in his eyes.</p>

<p>I never forget that story and am reminded of it every time I read about a security hole around SNMP. This week came two reports of SNMP vulnerabilities in DarkReading.&nbsp; <a href="http://www.darkreading.com/document.asp?doc_id=147463&amp;f_src=darkreading_section_296" target="_blank">One by Kelly Jackson Higgins</a> details a report that researchers doing a simple SNMP scan over the Internet turned up over 5000 devices that reported back with names, models and even patch levels.&nbsp; The devices were not off brands either, but Cisco, Apple and Microsoft devices.&nbsp; This underscores how leaky SNMP can be if you don't lock it down right.&nbsp; </p>

<p>This report came on the heels of an <a href="http://www.darkreading.com/document.asp?doc_id=147014" target="_blank">earlier report</a> by Kelly that researchers had discovered a new attack vector of using SNMP in a persistent XSS attack.&nbsp; Just another reason to lock down your SNMP capable equipment. By the way, for those of you wondering, SNMP stands for simple networking management protocol.</p></div>
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      <description><![CDATA[As I have written before, I always laugh when I remember speaking to a potential NAC customer who had recently met with a NAC competitor of ours. We got around to discussing enforcement options and...]]></description>
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<div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><p>As I have written before, I always laugh when I remember speaking to a potential NAC customer who had recently met with a NAC competitor of ours.&nbsp; We got around to discussing enforcement options and the customer was hell bent on using SNMP to have his switches enforce access policies.&nbsp; I explained to him that since he had switches from at least 3 different vendors and different models of switches from each of those vendors, the idea of scripting each of those switches and than updating each of them every time there was a change was a lot of work. He understood that but was willing to put up with the extra work for the added security that SNMP afforded him over 802.1x.&nbsp; Amazed, I informed him that SNMP is not usually thought of as very secure and that 802.1x while not perfect, had many advantages in terms of security over SNMP.&nbsp; Than the kicker! The prospect told me I must be mistaken, after all SNMP stood for Secure Networking Management Protocol, didn't it?&nbsp; When I stopped laughing I asked him where he heard that.&nbsp; He told me that the NAC vendor he spoke to before me told him that and touted how by using SNMP he was getting the most secure method of NAC.&nbsp; After all SNMP was designed for security!&nbsp; Well after some quick Google searching, he quickly found out that the other NAC vendor was feeding him a line and it made me and StillSecure golden in his eyes.</p>

<p>I never forget that story and am reminded of it every time I read about a security hole around SNMP. This week came two reports of SNMP vulnerabilities in DarkReading.&nbsp; <a href="http://www.darkreading.com/document.asp?doc_id=147463&amp;f_src=darkreading_section_296" target="_blank">One by Kelly Jackson Higgins</a> details a report that researchers doing a simple SNMP scan over the Internet turned up over 5000 devices that reported back with names, models and even patch levels.&nbsp; The devices were not off brands either, but Cisco, Apple and Microsoft devices.&nbsp; This underscores how leaky SNMP can be if you don't lock it down right.&nbsp; </p>

<p>This report came on the heels of an <a href="http://www.darkreading.com/document.asp?doc_id=147014" target="_blank">earlier report</a> by Kelly that researchers had discovered a new attack vector of using SNMP in a persistent XSS attack.&nbsp; Just another reason to lock down your SNMP capable equipment. By the way, for those of you wondering, SNMP stands for simple networking management protocol.</p></div>

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      <description><![CDATA[Today I will speak about evil. Yes, evil! There is plenty of evil in the world of logs (e.g. ugly logs ), but this is a &quot;bigger, better&quot; evil :-): siloed approach to logs
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      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today I will speak about evil. Yes, evil! There is plenty of evil in the world of logs (e.g. <a href="http://www.loganalysis.org/pipermail/loganalysis/2008-January/000536.html">ugly logs</a>), but this is a "bigger, better" evil :-): <strong>siloed approach to logs!</strong></p> <p>There is little that I hate more than&nbsp; siloed approach to logs. A situation when you have your security team "owning" network IDS logs, network team having firewall and router logs (as well as all SNMP traps) and, say, a sysadmins possessing&nbsp; (or, rather, ignoring!) the logs from servers and desktop is not only sad, counterproductive, inefficient and wasteful, but also dangerous.</p> <p>Where does such approach to logs (where they are divided by both technical and political chasms) breaks down most painfully? In case of<strong> an incident response</strong>, of course. This is where instead of one query across all logs and all log sources (or whatever needed subset of logs or log sources), you'd end up with having run around, beg, connect, wait, swear, wait, download logs, dig in many places at once, wait, <em>grep</em>, suffer with many UIs, swear more - and have a time of your life in general! :-) All of the above instead of connecting to your shiny new <a href="http://www.loglogic.com/">log management system</a> and running a few reports, drilldowns and searches across the relevant logs.</p> <p>Ideally, you'd fight the evil and break down the silo walls by deploying <a href="http://www.loglogic.com/">a log management platform</a> across the entire organization and then letting every team that needs logs to get them from the system in a controlled fashion, via the interface or a web API (BTW, <a href="www.loglogic.com/">LogLogic</a> has <a href="http://www.loglogic.com/news/news-releases/2006/12/loglogic_open_log_services_power_first_servicesoriented_architecture_soa/">a web API</a> to get logs!). Apart from being a trend (e.g. see <a href="http://www.pr-inside.com/new-esg-research-finds-large-organizations-r262532.htm">recent ESG report</a> on that), it will make your IT and security operations that much more efficient - and pleasant!</p> <p>On the other hand, what is bizarre is that some newer vendors,&nbsp; who claim to do log management, actually work to propagate, not combat, the siloed approach. For example, selling the tool for $5000 to each of the many separate teams within the organization IMHO must be made illegal :-) as it builds walls, not bridges; digs holes and overall "silo-izes" your operation...</p> <div class="wlWriterSmartContent" id="scid:0767317B-992E-4b12-91E0-4F059A8CECA8:45efbdcf-f268-4735-85db-eac69fcaaff7" style="padding-right: 0px; display: inline; padding-left: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; margin: 0px; padding-top: 0px">Technorati tags: <a href="http://technorati.com/tags/logging" rel="tag">logging</a>, <a href="http://technorati.com/tags/log%20management" rel="tag">log management</a></div>  <div class="blogger-post-footer">About me: http://www.chuvakin.org</div><div class="feedflare">
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