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      <title><![CDATA[BlueHat SDL Sessions Wrap-up]]></title>
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      <description><![CDATA[Hi everyone, Bryan here. The debut BlueHat SDL Sessions are over, and they were a resounding success: 96% of attendees completing evaluation surveys reported that they will be able to apply knowledge...]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt"><FONT face=Calibri size=3>Hi everyone, Bryan here. The debut </FONT><A href="http://blogs.msdn.com/sdl/archive/2008/09/25/sdl-sessions-at-bluehat.aspx"><FONT face=Calibri size=3>BlueHat SDL Sessions</FONT></A><FONT face=Calibri size=3> are over, and they were a resounding success: 96% of attendees completing evaluation surveys reported that they will be able to apply knowledge that they learned in the SDL sessions to make their products more secure. This is a great score and I’d like to thank all of our speakers and the BlueHat planning team for their hard work. As for the other 4% of attendees, we’ll just have to work that much harder next year to bring them actionable guidance for dealing with new vulnerabilities.</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt"><FONT face=Calibri size=3>As promised, we recorded all of the day’s presentations and we’ve published them on </FONT><A href="http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/security/cc748656.aspx#day2"><FONT face=Calibri color=#0000ff size=3>TechNet</FONT></A><FONT face=Calibri size=3>:</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt"><A href="http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/security/dd282968.aspx"><FONT face=Calibri color=#0000ff size=3>Keynote Address</FONT></A><FONT face=Calibri size=3> by Scott Charney, Corporate VP, Microsoft Trustworthy Computing</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt"><A href="http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/security/dd282977.aspx"><FONT face=Calibri color=#0000ff size=3>Threat Modeling at EMC and Microsoft</FONT></A><FONT face=Calibri size=3> by Danny Dhillon of EMC and Adam Shostack of the Microsoft SDL team (of course)</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt"><A href="http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/security/dd285253.aspx"><FONT face=Calibri color=#0000ff size=3>Mitigations Unplugged</FONT></A><FONT face=Calibri size=3> by Matt Miller, Microsoft Security Science team</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt"><A href="http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/security/dd285262.aspx"><FONT face=Calibri color=#0000ff size=3>Concurrency Attacks on Web Applications</FONT></A><FONT face=Calibri size=3> by Scott Stender and Alex Vidergar of iSEC Partners</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt"><A href="http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/security/dd285263.aspx"><FONT face=Calibri color=#0000ff size=3>Fuzzed Enough? When it’s OK to Put the Shears Down</FONT></A><FONT face=Calibri size=3> by Jason Shirk, Dave Weinstein and Lars Opstad, Microsoft Security Science team</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt"><A href="http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/security/dd285265.aspx"><FONT face=Calibri color=#0000ff size=3>Real World Code Review – Using the Right Tools in the Right Place at the Right Time</FONT></A><FONT face=Calibri size=3> by Vinnie Liu of Stach &amp; Liu</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt"><FONT face=Calibri size=3>In addition to the presentations, we also recorded some short interviews (about 10 minutes long) with each of the speakers. If you’re just looking for a quick summary of a particular talk, these interviews are the place to start:</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt"><A href="http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/security/dd285269.aspx"><FONT face=Calibri color=#0000ff size=3>Threat Modeling at EMC</FONT></A><FONT face=Calibri size=3>, Danny Dhillon</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt"><A href="http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/security/dd285454.aspx"><FONT face=Calibri color=#0000ff size=3>Threat Modeling at Microsoft</FONT></A><FONT face=Calibri size=3>, Adam Shostack</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt"><A href="http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/security/dd285260.aspx"><FONT face=Calibri color=#0000ff size=3>Mitigations Unplugged</FONT></A><FONT face=Calibri size=3>, Matt Miller</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt"><A href="http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/security/dd285461.aspx"><FONT face=Calibri color=#0000ff size=3>Concurrency Attacks on Web Applications</FONT></A><FONT face=Calibri size=3>, Scott Stender and Alex Vidergar</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt"><A href="http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/security/dd285279.aspx"><FONT face=Calibri color=#0000ff size=3>Fuzzed Enough?</FONT></A><FONT face=Calibri size=3> Jason Shirk and Dave Weinstein</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt"><A href="http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/security/dd285463.aspx"><FONT face=Calibri color=#0000ff size=3>Real World Code Review</FONT></A><FONT face=Calibri size=3>, Vinnie Liu</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt"><FONT face=Calibri size=3>I hope at least 96% of online readers will be able to directly apply this material to their products, just like the show attendees. Please post back and let us know, either way. And let us know what you’d like to see for next year. We have big plans to build on our success and make SDL Sessions 2.0 even bigger and better than the first.</FONT></P><img src="http://blogs.msdn.com/aggbug.aspx?PostID=9161040" width="1" height="1">]]></content:encoded>
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      <title><![CDATA[ Here Comes Everybody Review]]></title>
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      <description><![CDATA[In 1937, Ronald Coase answered one of the most perplexing questions in economics: if markets are so great, why do organizations exist? Why don't people just buy and sell their own services in a market...]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In 1937, Ronald Coase answered one of the most perplexing questions in economics: if markets are so great, why do organizations exist? Why don't people just buy and sell their own services in a market instead? Coase, who won the 1991 Nobel Prize in Economics, answered the question by noting a market's transaction costs: buyers and sellers need to find one another, then reach agreement, and so on. The Coase theorem implies that if these transaction costs are low enough, direct markets of individuals make a whole lot of sense. But if they are too high, it makes more sense to get the job done by an organization that hires people. </p>

<p>Economists have long understood the corollary concept of Coase's ceiling, a point above which organizations collapse under their own weight -- where hiring someone, however competent, means more work for everyone else than the new hire contributes. Software projects often bump their heads against Coase's ceiling: recall Frederick P. Brooks Jr.'s seminal study, <cite>The Mythical Man-Month</cite> (Addison-Wesley, 1975), which showed how adding another person onto a project can slow progress and increase errors. </p>

<p>What's new is something consultant and social technologist Clay Shirky calls &quot;Coase's Floor,&quot; below which we find projects and activities that aren't worth their organizational costs -- things so esoteric, so frivolous, so nonsensical, or just so thoroughly unimportant that no organization, large or small, would ever bother with them. Things that you shake your head at when you see them and think, &quot;That's ridiculous.&quot;</p>

<p>Sounds a lot like the Internet, doesn't it? And that's precisely Shirky's point. His new book, <a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1594201536/counterpane/"><cite>Here Comes Everybody: The Power of Organizing Without Organizations</cite></a>, explores a world where organizational costs are close to zero and where ad hoc, loosely connected groups of unpaid amateurs can create an encyclopedia larger than the Britannica and a computer operating system to challenge Microsoft's. </p>

<p>Shirky teaches at New York University's Interactive Telecommunications Program, but this is no academic book. Sacrificing rigor for readability, <cite>Here Comes Everybody</cite> is an entertaining as well as informative romp through some of the Internet's signal moments -- the Howard Dean phenomenon, Belarusian protests organized on LiveJournal, the lost cellphone of a woman named Ivanna, Meetup.com, flash mobs, Twitter, and more -- which Shirky uses to illustrate his points. </p>

<p>The book is filled with bits of insight and common sense, explaining why young people take better advantage of social tools, how the Internet affects social change, and how most Internet discourse falls somewhere between dinnertime conversation and publishing. </p>

<p>Shirky notes that &quot;most user-generated content isn't 'content' at all, in the sense of being created for general consumption, any more than a phone call between you and a sibling is 'family-generated content.' Most of what gets created on any given day is just the ordinary stuff of life -- gossip, little updates, thinking out loud -- but now it's done in the same medium as professionally produced material. Unlike professionally produced material, however, Internet content can be organized after the fact.&quot; </p>

<p>No one coordinates Flickr's 6 million to 8 million users. Yet Flickr had the first photos from the 2005 London Transport bombings, beating the traditional news media. Why? People with cellphone cameras uploaded their photos to Flickr. They coordinated themselves using tools that Flickr provides. This is the sort of impromptu organization the Internet is ideally suited for. Shirky explains how these moments are harbingers of a future that can self-organize without formal hierarchies. </p>

<p>These nonorganizations allow for contributions from a wider group of people. A newspaper has to pay someone to take photos; it can't be bothered to hire someone to stand around London underground stations waiting for a major event. Similarly, Microsoft has to pay a programmer full time, and <cite>Encyclopedia Britannica</cite> has to pay someone to write articles. But Flickr can make use of a person with just one photo to contribute, Linux can harness the work of a programmer with little time, and Wikipedia benefits if someone corrects just a single typo. These aggregations of millions of actions that were previously below the Coasean floor have enormous potential. </p>

<p>But a flash mob is still a mob. In a world where the Coasean floor is at ground level, all sorts of organizations appear, including ones you might not like: violent political organizations, hate groups, Holocaust deniers, and so on. (Shirky's discussion of teen anorexia support groups makes for very disturbing reading.) This has considerable implications for security, both online and off. </p>

<p>We never realized how much our security could be attributed to distance and inconvenience -- how difficult it is to recruit, organize, coordinate, and communicate without formal organizations. That inadvertent measure of security is now gone. Bad guys, from hacker groups to terrorist groups, will use the same ad hoc organizational technologies that the rest of us do. And while there has been some success in closing down individual Web pages, discussion groups, and blogs, these are just stopgap measures. </p>

<p>In the end, a virtual community is still a community, and it needs to be treated as such. And just as the best way to keep a neighborhood safe is for a policeman to walk around it, the best way to keep a virtual community safe is to have a virtual police presence. </p>

<p>Crime isn't the only danger; there is also isolation. If people can segregate themselves in ever-increasingly specialized groups, then they're less likely to be exposed to alternative ideas. We see a mild form of this in the current political trend of rival political parties having their own news sources, their own narratives, and their own facts. Increased radicalization is another danger lurking below the Coasean floor. </p>

<p>There's no going back, though. We've all figured out that the Internet makes freedom of speech a much harder right to take away. As Shirky demonstrates, Web 2.0 is having the same effect on freedom of assembly. The consequences of this won't be fully seen for years. </p>

<p><cite>Here Comes Everybody</cite> covers some of the same ground as Yochai Benkler's <cite>Wealth of Networks</cite>. But when I had to explain to one of my corporate attorneys how the Internet has changed the nature of public discourse, Shirky's book is the one I recommended.</p>

<p>This essay <a href="http://www.spectrum.ieee.org/sep08/6631">previously appeared</a> in <i>IEEE Spectrum</i>.</p><div class="feedflare">
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      <description><![CDATA[Microsoft was eight for 20 in its first predictions of how exploitable the flaws in its software would be. But that was good enough for the company to claim...]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[Microsoft was eight for 20 in its first predictions of how exploitable the flaws in its software would be. But that was good enough for the company to claim success.<br style="clear: both;"/>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 02:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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      <title><![CDATA[XSS Comedy III: Tax Cheats with Small Equipment]]></title>
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      <description><![CDATA[As part of an ongoing series, if I may I, the third in a series on the absurd, inane, and perhaps even funny. Lest you forget: the first and second in the series
I don't know about you, but I enjoy...]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[As part of an ongoing series, if I may I, the third in a series on the absurd, inane, and perhaps even funny. Lest you forget: the <a href="http://holisticinfosec.blogspot.com/2008/06/xss-comedy-at-mcafee-secures-expense.html" target="_blank">first</a> and <a href="http://holisticinfosec.blogspot.com/2008/09/xss-fortune-cookie.html" target="_blank">second</a> in the series.<br />I don't know about you, but I enjoy occasionally watching offerings like the History Channel, AMC, or the Military Channel. I'm a 40ish, white male and as such I likely fit the general demographic as perceived by the marketing geniuses who buy the late evening advertising blocks on these channels. <br />That does NOT mean that I cheat of my taxes and thus need the services of a plethora of scam artists selling tax relief. Nor does it mean that I have any interest in "enhancement" opportunities like Enzyte or ExtenZe. <br />I just love people who choose to skip out on a primary obligation of citizenship that most of us choose to meet, and expect to magically turn $100,000 in tax debt into $999. Then there are the "businesses" who exploit these folks and willingly convince them of their "success" via the power of advertising, at which point my patience just snaps, as it did last night. <br />Thus, part one of this rant is a mighty <span style="font-weight:bold;">bugger off</span> to all the "tax relief" companies. To their patrons, may I suggest simply paying taxes like the rest of us?<br />Here's an XSS vulnerability in the Freedom Financial Network, "as seen on TV", designed to express precisely how I feel: <br /><br /><a href="http://www.freedomfinancialnetwork.com/tax_debt.php?pid=ffn+go&key=%22%3E%3Cmarquee%3E%3Ch1%3ENOTHING_IS_FREE!%3C%2Fh1%3E%3C%2Fmarquee%3E" target="_blank">http://www.freedomfinancialnetwork.com/tax_debt.php?pid=ffn+go&key=%22%3E%3Cmarquee%3E%3Ch1%3ENOTHING_IS_FREE!%3C%2Fh1%3E%3C%2Fmarquee%3E</a><br /><br />If and when they fix this issue, here's the <a href="http://holisticinfosec.org/video/freedomtaxrelief/nothingisfree.html" target="_blank">video</a> for posterity.<br /><br />Part two of this rant will get you more bang for your buck, and I'm not talking enhancement.<br />Thanks to my utter disdain for the endlessly annoying advertising I went to the ExtenZe site to see what might be broken which immediately led me to discover an entire platform vulnerability in the ColdFusion application built by <a href="http://www.internet-direct-response.com/portfolio.html" target="_blank">Internet Direct Response (IDR)</a>, the wankers who proudly bring you Maxoderm, Vivaxa, Vazomyne, Smoke Away, and Hydroxydrene; all such reputable products, and all repetitively wearing me out via DirectTV. At the ExtenZe site I spotted a variable that seemed worthy of building a <a href="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=inurl:%22microppcsite%22&start=0&sa=N" target="_blank">Googledork</a> from, and I soon discovered that it was a consistent variable in most of the sites pimping this crap; specifically, <span style="font-style:italic;">microppcsite</span>. You can follow all the search results back to our friends at IDR. <br />A little experimentation and I quickly discovered that the similar <span style="font-style:italic;">microppcterm</span> variable was vulnerable to entertaining XSS exploitation so I started with:<br /><br /><a href="http://www.extenzeforlife.com/?microppcsite=google&microppcterm=%22%3E%3Cmarquee%3E%3Ch1%3EToo_short,_Morningwood?%3C%2Fh1%3E%3C%2Fmarquee%3E&gclid=CJ3T2NXH8JYCFQQCagod7xyBrA" target="_blank">http://www.extenzeforlife.com/?microppcsite=google&microppcterm=%22%3E%3Cmarquee%3E%3Ch1%3EToo_short,_Morningwood?%3C%2Fh1%3E%3C%2Fmarquee%3E&gclid=CJ3T2NXH8JYCFQQCagod7xyBrA</a><br /><br />Pick your poison, it works on most IDR gems.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.enzyte-male-enhancement.com/google/?microppcsite=google&microppcterm=%22%3E%3Cmarquee%3E%3Ch1%3EBob_just_wants_your_money.%3C%2Fh1%3E%3C%2Fmarquee%3E" target="_blank">http://www.enzyte-male-enhancement.com/google/?microppcsite=google&microppcterm=%22%3E%3Cmarquee%3E%3Ch1%3EBob_just_wants_your_money.%3C%2Fh1%3E%3C%2Fmarquee%3E</a><br /><br />Again, a <a href="http://holisticinfosec.org/video/enhancement/enhancement.html" target="_blank">video</a>, should IDR choose to fix their app.<br /><br />And now, the grand prize for pathetic: The ExtenZe site is <a href="https://www.mcafeesecure.com/RatingVerify?ref=www.extenzeforlife.com" target="_blank">McAfee Secure</a>. <br /><br />I couldn't make this stuff up if I tried.<br />You thought www stood for world wide web. Try wee willy wankers. *sigh*<br /><br /><a href="http://del.icio.us/post?url=http://holisticinfosec.blogspot.com/2008/11/xss-comedy-iii-tax-cheats-with-small.html&title=XSS%20Comedy%20III:%20Tax%20Cheats%20with%20Small%20Equipment " title="XSS Comedy III: Tax Cheats with Small Equipment ">del.icio.us</a> | <a href="http://digg.com/submit?phase=2&amp;url=http://holisticinfosec.blogspot.com/2008/11/xss-comedy-iii-tax-cheats-with-small.html" title="XSS Comedy III: Tax Cheats with Small Equipment ">digg</a> | <a href="http://slashdot.org/submit.pl?url=http://holisticinfosec.blogspot.com/2008/11/xss-comedy-iii-tax-cheats-with-small.html">Submit to Slashdot</a>]]></content:encoded>
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      <title><![CDATA[On Security & Risk Management Innovation]]></title>
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      <description><![CDATA[Pre-Script - It should be noted that the outcome of this discussion - in the last paragraph - is one smart way you can approach the We need to reduce your budget discussion (if that discussion hasnt...]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span style="color: #666699;"><em>Pre-Script - It should be noted that the outcome of this discussion - in the last paragraph - is one smart way you can approach the “We need to reduce your budget” discussion (if that discussion hasn’t come already).</em></span></p>
<p>I’ve often read people who say that we (security, risk management) need to “think like the attacker”.  And when you read this sort of article, that usually alludes to trying to anticipate the tactics an attacker might use to mess with your C, I, or A.  Smart stuff, that, and very useful when architecting security solutions.  But as I was training some folks Monday, I was thinking in the back of my head about Threat Capability (TCap) in FAIR.  As you might know, we like to estimate the capability of a threat to apply some level of “force” against our assets.  This ability to apply force is a byproduct of the attacker&#8217;s skills and resources.  And thinking of how an attacker applies skills and resources, I came across another way we might “think” like an attacker.</p>
<p>Traditionally, I’ve thought of “skills” as being a byproduct of the toolset an attacker has.  This mindset probably stems from my time with Penetration Testing teams, where in the process of scoping the  PenTest I would ask our clients to select the level of effort that they wanted us to throw at them.  If a client chose “high” we’d throw every ‘spoit we had at them.  If they chose “low” we’d limit ourselves to a more commonly available toolset.</p>
<p>But while the resources part of TCap is time &amp; materials (money) - the skills are really more than just the toolset.  Skills would include the ability of the attacker to be creative and innovative.    As an example of that innovation from those PenTesting days - when we got a “high” effort request, we would always try to couple that with some “social engineering”-type of attack, or some unique means of delivering an existing exploit.  Our creativity was not necessarily a byproduct of a unique exploit or tool we had, but the process by which we might deliver pre-existing or commonly available exploits.  I remember when we first got ahold of a handful of 32mb thumb drives (hey, 32mb was <em>huge</em> back then) and &#8220;dropped&#8221; a few in the lobby of a client&#8217;s retail space.  The keystroke loggers and phone-home script weren&#8217;t new, but using the thumb drive as delivery vehicle certainly was.</p>
<p>So I’ve started to really think about this concept of innovation, and how if “thinking like an attacker” means to be innovative, we ought to do the same.  I’ve been thinking of two main categories of innovation this morning.</p>
<p><strong>INNOVATION</strong></p>
<p>The first I’ll call <em><strong>Technology Innovation</strong></em>.  And by Technology Innovation, I mean some new, unique, “ahead of the curve” technology that an attacker can use against us.  The obvious example of which is a zero-day.  It’s that “high” tool set our PenTesters would use against the clients.  For security departments, this might be the latest security product designed to enhance our ability to P, D, and/or R.</p>
<p>Alternately, we can be creative in the way we deliver (manage) existing technology.  I think of this as<strong> Process Innovation</strong>.  It’s doing more with what we already have, just like the PenTest team would be creative in the delivery of an existing exploit.</p>
<p>Unfortunately for us - attackers have traditionally had quite a leg up on us in terms of Process Innovation.  It is much easier fro them to be creative, as they are free of political constraints and bureaucracy.  In contrast, when the security industry tries Process Innovation, the results are checklists and “standards”.  It’s committees and consensus.  An extreme example of which might be something like SABSA - a great work if you want to understand some very smart people’s comprehensive understanding of organizational security  - but the “adoption”of which will do very little to help you be innovative in P/D/R.</p>
<p>It’s worth noting that ultimately, this is one reason <strong>I don’t like regulatory compliance efforts</strong> - <strong>they simply serve to prove how mundane your security department is</strong>,  wasting valuable resources that could be spent on creating ways to be more effective.</p>
<p><strong>PROCESS INNOVATION AS A SUBSTITUTE FOR TECHNOLOGY INNOVATION</strong></p>
<p>As we come to the close of 2009, some surveys suggest that security spending isn’t horribly impacted yet by the economy (the latest from E&amp;Y points to only 5% of their respondents getting budget cuts).  But if this is a protracted downturn, and because InfoSec is an operational expense, I would expect cash to become more and more difficult to keep.  And regardless if technology spends do slow, I believe it makes sense to think about Process Innovation because I see Process Innovation as a means to increase effectiveness without significant capital expenditures (effectiveness increases because our ability to manage risk has a direct correlation to the amount of risk we have).</p>
<p>The bad news is, of course, that great innovation is hard.  It is R &amp; D.  Failure is usually a pre-requisite to success.</p>
<p>The good news is, our current state is so bad that many of us don’t need to come up with a whizbang new way of reducing software defects in the SDLC as innovation.  Simply inserting a risk analyst into the PMO’s processes might count as a big enough victory. Be cautioned, though,  that if we’re substituting the risk reductions provided by technology acquisition - Process Innovation might actually be even more &#8220;expensive&#8221; as it requires us to expend political capital.   But there are (forgive the term) innovative ways to spend this political capital.</p>
<p>For example, by taking a second now and figuring out the 3 things that the rest of the organization can do to make your life easier, when that “I need to reduce your budget” talk comes, you can be prepared to negotiate.  Get a political capital &#8220;loan&#8221; or &#8220;investment&#8221; from the C-Suite reducing your budget.  Something to the effect of: “I expected this, and am happy to give up my budget.  But if our tolerance for risk hasn’t changed, what I’d like to do is get you to personally back my office on three projects I’ve identified that can reduce our risk without requiring significant capital expenditure.”</p>
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      <title><![CDATA[Microsoft's exploit predictions are right less than half the time]]></title>
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      <description><![CDATA[Microsoft says its efforts to predict whether hackers will create exploit code for its bugs are a success -- even though the company got its first monthly forecast right less than half the...]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[Microsoft says its efforts to predict whether hackers will create exploit code for its bugs are a success -- even though the company got its first monthly forecast right less than half the time.<br style="clear: both;"/>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 02:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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      <source url="http://feeds.computerworld.com/click.phdo?i=c100db4ff665f5b0597bd199c12ce3c1">Microsoft's exploit predictions are right less than half the time</source>
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      <title><![CDATA[Information security in bad economy]]></title>
      <link>http://securityratty.com/article/724237a8203417ab862d25e018912170</link>
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      <description><![CDATA[Economy looks grim. The headlines are very discouraging. Capitalism does not guarantee wealth and success all the time. The talking heads on TV blame the greed in the stock market. I wish stock market...]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<P>Economy looks grim. The headlines are very discouraging. Capitalism does not guarantee wealth and success all the time. The talking heads on TV blame the&nbsp;greed in the stock market. I wish stock market is made of just computers that are not greedy human beings. These are bound to happen when there are human beings that participate! Money flows will eventually correct itself&nbsp; I hope, capitalism will be healthy again. This will take time. I am not an economist, but I do understand that people part with money for a period of time to collect higher return in the horizon based on their aptitude for risk.&nbsp; Simple is it not! But, all these complex financial instruments and its machinations seem to blur the reality and make even the brainiest act dumb - or are they just plain greedy?</P>
<P>Setting the context for this post, it is a tough economic situation all over the world. IT spending has reduced and will reduce significantly. In one of earlier posts, I&nbsp;had referred&nbsp;to information security as an overhead of an overhead (IT).&nbsp;What is a good approach for&nbsp;security practice in this type of economy? </P>
<P>I don't have a magic wand to pull a rabbit out of a hat. I have always been told&nbsp;that: tough economy is the time for&nbsp;real smart people to&nbsp;make money. Coming back to information security topic,&nbsp;with a bit of common sense, it is wise for&nbsp;information security professionals to offer services in&nbsp;those&nbsp;areas&nbsp;that does not involve capital expenditure. As a Security Manager, you may be already aware that your people are willing to&nbsp;go&nbsp;an extra mile in the current economic times.</P>
<P>- No budget or lack of budget,&nbsp;means no&nbsp;new capital expenditure. Spend time wisely in building a future technology strategy and keep it in the back pocket when the economy turns around.</P>
<P>- This is a good time to create roles/responsibilities and ownership for various areas. Create operating procedures.&nbsp;Make your team to automate tasks. This will help your operations become more efficient.</P>
<P>- This is time for security awareness&nbsp; education. Create pamphlets/brochures/presentations for an online or classroom training. Engage your and your team's time to impart training.</P>
<P>- Leverage already invested&nbsp;technology platforms. Leverage utilized features that reduce costs. If you have already invested in technology such as VMware, this is the time to get the best out of it. You can use VMware's toolkit to build your lab and staging&nbsp;environment and optimize on hardware cost.</P>
<P>- Off shoring has been the mantra of senior executives, this is the time to revisit those services and measure their performance closely&nbsp;and assess&nbsp;your satisfaction level. This is a good time to build a case for not off shoring if it makes sense.</P>
<P>- Companies are more vulnerable in bad economic times. You are in a better position&nbsp;to&nbsp;influence senior management about information security risks under these circumstances and drive home the value of protecting your intellectual property under these kinds of circumstances. management will be all ears&nbsp;for such a pitch.</P>
<P>- Time to engage your architect to optimize your security architecture, revisit standards and optimize design for cost efficiency.</P>
<P>- Revisit various controls and see if there are some risks that you could optimize spending on.</P>
<P>- Training budget&nbsp;is an unfortunate victim of&nbsp;this type of economy. Encourage employees to take free webinars offered by various security vendors and encourage them to share the summary across the team. This will put your employees in touch with latest happenings in security at the same time there is some learning that is imparted&nbsp;despite&nbsp;zero training budget.</P>
<P>- Since there are very few projects in action, this is a good time to have conversations with cross functional teams and educate them about your services and solicit feedback on how to do better.</P>
<P>- Revisit your vendor logistics and identify whether you can renegotiate some of your already existing contracts.</P>
<P>The above are some good&nbsp;ways by which you can optimize costs, this will also enhance&nbsp;your team's competence level in the long run. And this approach is better than letting people go, if you can pull this.</P>
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      <title><![CDATA[Kip Hawley Responds to My Airport Security Antics]]></title>
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      <description><![CDATA[Kip Hawley, head of the TSA, has responded to my airport security penetration testing , published in The Atlantic
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      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kip Hawley, head of the TSA, has <a href="http://www.tsa.gov/blog/2008/10/tsas-take-on-atlantic-article.html">responded</a> to my <a href="http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2008/10/me_helping_evad.html">airport security penetration testing</a>, published in <i>The Atlantic</i>.</p>

<p>Unfortunately, there's not really anything to his response.  It's obvious he doesn't want to admit that they've been checking ID's all this time to no purpose whatsoever, so he just emits vague generalities like a frightened squid filling the water with ink.  Yes, some of the stunts in article are silly (who cares if people fly with Hezbollah T-shirts?) so that gives him an opportunity to minimize the real issues.</p>

<blockquote>Watch-lists and identity checks are important and effective security measures. We identify dozens of terrorist-related individuals a week and stop No-Flys regularly with our watch-list process.</blockquote>

<p>It is simply impossible that the TSA catches dozens of terrorists every week. If it were true, the administration would be trumpeting this all over the press -- it would be an amazing success story in their war on terrorism.  But note that Hawley doesn't exactly say that; he calls them "terrorist-related individuals."  Which means exactly what?  People so dangerous they can't be allowed to fly for any reason, yet so innocent they can't be arrested -- even under the provisions of the Patriot Act.</p>

<p>And if Secretary Chertoff is telling the truth when he <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2008/TRAVEL/10/22/no.fly.lists/index.html">says</a> that there are only 2,500 people on the no-fly list and fewer than 16,000 people on the selectee list -- they're the ones that get extra screening -- and that most of them live outside the U.S., then it is statistically impossible that the TSA identifies "dozens" of these people every week.  The math just doesn't make sense.</p>

<p>And I also don't believe this:</p>

<blockquote>Behavior detection works and we have 2,000 trained officers at airports today. They alert us to people who may pose a threat but who may also have items that could elude other layers of physical security.</blockquote>

<p>It does work, but I don't see the TSA doing it properly.  (Fly El Al if you want to see it done properly.)  But what I think Hawley is doing is engaging in a little bit of psychological manipulation.  Like sky marshals, the real benefit of behavior detection isn't whether or not you do it but whether or not the bad guys <i>believe</i> you're doing it.  If they think you are doing behavior detection at security checkpoints, or have sky marshals on every airplane, then you don't actually have to do it.  It's the threat that's the deterrent, not the actual security system.</p>

<p>This doesn't impress me, either:</p>

<blockquote>Items carried on the person, be they a 'beer belly' or concealed objects in very private areas, are why we are buying over 100 whole body imagers in upcoming months and will deploy more over time. In the meantime, we use hand-held devices that detect hydrogen peroxide and other explosives compounds as well as targeted pat-downs that require private screening.</blockquote>

<p>Optional security measures don't work, because the bad guys will opt not to use them.  It's like those air-puff machines at some airports now.  They're probably great at detecting explosive residue off clothing, but every time I have seen the machines in operation, the passengers have the option whether to go through the lane with them or another lane.  What possible good is that?</p>

<p>The closest thing to a real response from Hawley is that the terrorists might get caught stealing credit cards.</p>

<blockquote>Using stolen credit cards and false documents as a way to get around watch-lists makes the point that forcing terrorists to use increasingly risky tactics has its own security value.</blockquote>

<p>He's right about that.  And, truth be told, that was my sloppiest answer during the original intervied.  Thinking about it afterwards, it's far more likely is that someone with a clean record and a legal credit card will buy the various plane tickets.</p>

<p>This is new:</p>

<blockquote>Boarding pass scanners and encryption are being tested in eight airports now and more will be coming.</blockquote>

<p>Ignoring for a moment that "eight airports" nonsense -- unless you do it at every airport, the bad guys will choose the airport where you don't do it to launch their attack -- this is an excellent idea.  The reason my attack works, the reason I can get through TSA checkpoints with a fake boarding pass, is that the TSA never confirms that the information on the boarding pass matches a legitimate reservation.  If all TSA checkpoints had boarding pass scanners that connected to the airlines' computers, this attack would not work.  (Interestingly enough, I noticed exactly this system at the Dublin airport earlier this month.)</p>

<blockquote>Stopping the ‘James Bond’ terrorist is truly a team effort and I whole-heartedly agree that the best way to stop those attacks is with intelligence and law enforcement working together.</blockquote>

<p>This isn't about "Stopping the 'James Bond' terrorist," it's about stopping terrorism.  And if all this focus on airports, even assuming it starts working, shifts the terrorists to other targets, we haven't gotten a whole lot of security for our money.</p>

<p>FYI:  I did a <a href="http://www.schneier.com/interview-hawley.html">long interview</a> with Kip Hawley last year. If you haven't read it, I strongly recommend you do.  I pressed him on these and many other points, and didn't get very good answers then, either.</p><div class="feedflare">
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      <description><![CDATA[The incidence of click fraud, the bane of the highly profitable search advertising business to which Google owes its success, fell slightly in the third quarter, but remains a serious...]]></description>
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      <title><![CDATA[A Cryptographer and a Data Communications Guy Talk About Risk Management]]></title>
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      <description><![CDATA[Sounds like the beginning of a joke, right? So these two guys walk into a bar
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      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Sounds like the beginning of a joke, right?  <em>So these two guys walk into a bar&#8230;</em></p></blockquote>
<p>&#8220;The&#8221; Bruce Schneier and Marcus Ranum have an article up on TechTarget/Information Security Magazine called, creatively enough, &#8220;<span class="homeSplashTitle"><span class="text0"><strong><a href="http://searchsecurity.techtarget.com/magazineFeature/0,296894,sid14_gci1332745_idx1,00.html">Bruce Schenier, Marcus Ranum debate risk management</a>&#8220;. </strong></span></span></p>
<p>Unfortunately, to get to the article, you&#8217;ll have to either already be a subscriber to IT Security, a subscriber to TechTarget, or go through the 20 minute process of signing up by giving TechTarget all sorts of &#8220;market information&#8221; about how you&#8217;re really Brandon Walsh, CSO of &#8220;The Peach Pit&#8221; Industries in Beverly Hills, CA 90210 (phone 714-867-5309).</p>
<p>For those of you who are already a TechTarget person, the link is above.  For those who aren&#8217;t, or those who just don&#8217;t have the time, I&#8217;ll summarize.  The &#8220;debate&#8221; is kind of awkward because both authors seem come to the same conclusion:</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><em><strong>Risk Management, it&#8217;s something our profession should do, something humans do naturally, it&#8217;s necessary in business, but gosh - we don&#8217;t have enough data.</strong></em></p>
<p>I&#8217;m not a cryptographer.  I don&#8217;t *nearly* have the insight on privacy and politics that Bruce has.  I&#8217;m not deep in IP communications.  I haven&#8217;t got a proven track record of innovation in IP Security products like Marcus has.  But here&#8217;s the thing, I hope you&#8217;ll never hear me pretend that I have the skill set to speak authoritatively on those subjects.  Heck, I wouldn&#8217;t claim to be a &#8220;risk&#8221; expert because I have a some insight into my shortcomings and what is needed to tackle such a complex problem.  But such a tepid article on something that (at least I think) is so important kind of, well, confuses me.</p>
<p>Why is it such a boring article?  I&#8217;m not sure.  Maybe because they&#8217;re just two guys who would rather debate the merits of specific controls or control activities (after all, their penetration testing debate was a huge success), but there&#8217;s no new information in the &#8220;debate&#8221;.  It&#8217;s the same old &#8220;insurance companies know risk because they have scads of data and we don&#8217;t have that&#8221; complaint. You know what?  I&#8217;m tired of hearing that line, so let&#8217;s talk about it.</p>
<p><strong>HOW DO YOU KNOW WE DON&#8217;T HAVE THE AMOUNT OF DATA WE NEED TO DO RISK MANAGEMENT WELL?</strong></p>
<p>Not particularly picking on Marcus, but in the article he uses the common complaint, &#8220;We lack the data to do risk management well.&#8221;  This mantra is repeated to the point where I&#8217;m blase&#8217; about it.  But for some reason, this sentence really jumped out at me this time for two reasons.  It made me ask:</p>
<p>1.)  How do you <em>know</em> we don&#8217;t have the proper amount of data?</p>
<p>2.)  Can we even define &#8220;well&#8221; (i.e. what &#8220;good&#8221; risk management is) yet?</p>
<p>I really don&#8217;t know that the industry, especially concerning IT risk, is mature enough to really conclude that we don&#8217;t know (in the case of the former), nor that we can define (latter), conclusively.</p>
<p><strong>PLAYING THE CONTRARIAN</strong></p>
<p>Just because I&#8217;m feeling kind of zany this morning, let me suggest something.  Maybe there actually is lots of evidence out there for us to use.  Maybe:</p>
<p>1.)  It&#8217;s just that we don&#8217;t have particularly good models that provide context.</p>
<p>2.)  When that evidence isn&#8217;t an obvious phenomena that lends itself to easy measurement, we throw our hands up in disgust and fall back on &#8220;lack of data&#8221;, &#8220;can&#8217;t quantify risk&#8221;, &#8220;best practices work just fine&#8221; or any other number of arguments, no,<em> excuses</em> we use to justify our inability to be precise about the past (more or less the present or future - apologies to Niels Bohr).</p>
<p><strong>IT&#8217;S IN THE WAY THAT YOU USE IT</strong></p>
<p>Now I actually am happy to acknowledge that we don&#8217;t have enough data to be precise.  You, me, even smart guys like Marcus and Bruce - we&#8217;ll never be able to &#8220;engineer&#8221; risk management.  But you know what?  Neither can Insurance companies.  Sure, there are plenty of places where they have enough data to apply a traditional frequentist approach to risk valuations.   But there are plenty of times Insurers actually insure and they don&#8217;t have centuries or decades of data.  There are plenty of times when they rely on the &#8220;estimates&#8221; of subject matter experts.  There are many times they have enough information to be <em><strong>accurate</strong></em> rather than precise, and that&#8217;s good enough for them.</p>
<p>For that matter, it&#8217;s worth noting that there are plenty of scientific disciplines that have to deal in imprecise prior information, or evidence that&#8217;s fraught with uncertainty (what Ranum calls &#8220;squishy&#8221;, and what I&#8217;ve heard real honest to goodness physicists call &#8220;noisy&#8221;).  Unfortunately, we&#8217;re going to be like them.  Until we can read minds and predict the future, there will always be uncertainty in our measurements and posterior conclusions.  The trick is in how you deal with it and express it.  And while I really don&#8217;t know how much time Marcus or Bruce have really spent in the deep end on the subject of risk and its management - I have seen people doing brilliant things around risk (though they just aren&#8217;t mainstream).  Whether the tools are Bayesian methods, Monte Carlo engines, reductionist models of complex problems, there are risk analysts trying to deal with the problem.  These analysts are applying scientific method(s) and developing reasonable approaches to a very complex problem.  <em><strong>There are people trying, and our body of knowledge is growing</strong></em>, growing well beyond &#8220;gee, I haven&#8217;t got an obvious solution so I&#8217;ll blame it on lack of data&#8221;.  Heck, I&#8217;ve seen readers of this blog suggest Douglas Hubbard&#8217;s book in other security forums!<span style="color: #ff0000;">*</span></p>
<p><strong>I&#8217;VE GOT YOUR DATA RIGHT HERE&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>But we don&#8217;t have enough data?  I have to ask, how much more do we need?  I mean crikey, JPMC just visited our ISSA chapter claiming, like, a bajillion events an hour.  There&#8217;s not one, but several companies out there that will want to tell you about how they have deep &#8220;insight&#8221; into the attacker community.  The boundaries of IT Risk losses are pretty well established by events that happen to public companies.  We have pretty mature testing/assessment tools and methodologies now that help us test our ability to resist the force an attacker can apply to us.  So what part of the Threat Landscape, Asset (Controls) Landscape, or Loss Magnitude landscape is too incomplete (and what are you doing to find the information you need)?</p>
<p><strong>SO WHY DO WE FAIL?</strong></p>
<p>Which brings me to a final, somewhat depressing conclusion.  Maybe there&#8217;s data, and maybe we&#8217;re starting to see the means to use it.  But in the end I do have to agree with Marcus that the vast majority of the infosec world *is* doing a really, really bad job with regards to &#8220;risk&#8221; and &#8220;risk management&#8221;.  The majority of people I know consider GRC to be a cruel, expensive joke.  Risk Assessment Methodologies tend to be built on the faulty premise that if we create a repeatable process, our measurements and conclusions will magically become accurate and wise.  Risk models tend to be factors loosely measured by ordinal scales and then somehow &#8220;multiplied&#8221; together to create a relatively meaningless qualitative value.  The State of the Union here is not good.  But after reading such a superficial treatment of an important and complex subject, I am left wondering if Bruce and Marcus were the right people to write about risk management in a mainstream publication.  As Inspector Callahan says, &#8220;<strong><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZNlraF0xec">A man&#8217;s got to know his limitations</a></strong>.&#8221;</p>
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<p><span style="color: #ff0000;">*</span> <em>Speaking of which, if you want to do one cost effective thing to address your uncertainty - go find Douglas Hubbard&#8217;s book. It&#8217;s even got a nice recommendation from Peter Tippett.  The book is called &#8220;How To Measure Anything&#8221; - the title sounds rather hyperbolic, but there are good techniques in it we can use to identify useful information and refine our ability to frame that qualitative information into quantitative values. The key is how Hubbard has you deal with your uncertainty.  For those of you who are more scientific minded and want to dig deep into the subject, I have on good authority that E.T. Jaynes &#8220;Probability Theory, The Logic of Science&#8221; is a rather under appreciated work.</em></p>
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