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      <title><![CDATA[Banker Malware Targeting Brazilian Banks in the Wild]]></title>
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      <description><![CDATA[Despite the ongoing customerization of malware, and the malware coding for hire customer tailored services, certain malware authors still believe in the product concept, namely, they build it and wait...]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<div style="text-align: left;"></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"></div><a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_wICHhTiQmrA/SKldLvANUBI/AAAAAAAACC8/4JM_2PVEVY4/s1600-h/banker_malware_brazil_banks.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_wICHhTiQmrA/SKldLvANUBI/AAAAAAAACC8/zzcjUAMw61E/s200-R/banker_malware_brazil_banks.jpg" /></a>Despite the ongoing customerization of malware, and the malware coding for hire customer tailored services, certain malware authors still believe in the product concept, namely, they build it and wait for someone to come. In this underground proposition for a proprietary banker malware targeting primarily Brazillian bank, the author is relying on the localized value added to his malware forgetting a simply fact - that the most popular banker malware is generalizing E-banking transactions in such a way that it's successfully able to hijack the sessions of banks it hasn't originally be coded to target in general.<br />
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<b>Banks targetted in this banker malware :</b><br />
<i>Bank Equifax<br />
Bank Itau<br />
Bank Check<br />
Bank Vivo<br />
Bank Banrisul<br />
Tim Bank Brazil<br />
Bank Nossa Caixa<br />
Bank Santander Banespa<br />
Bank Infoseg<br />
Bank Paypal <br />
Bank Caixa Economica Federal<br />
Bank Bradesco<br />
Bank Northeast<br />
Royal Bank<br />
Bank Itau Personnalite<br />
Bank PagSeguro<br />
Australia Bank<br />
Credicard Citi Bank<br />
Credicard Bank Itau<br />
Rural Bank</i><br />
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<div style="text-align: left;"></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"></div><a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_wICHhTiQmrA/SKlgsZBqOLI/AAAAAAAACDE/kN2MQLJqjls/s1600-h/banker_malware_brazil_banks1.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_wICHhTiQmrA/SKlgsZBqOLI/AAAAAAAACDE/niBpSaKVaTE/s200-R/banker_malware_brazil_banks1.jpg" /></a>Taking into consideration the fact that not everyone would be willing to pay a couple of thousand dollars for a <a href="http://ddanchev.blogspot.com/2007/11/metaphisher-malware-kit-spotted-in-wild.html">banker malware kit targeting banks the customer isn't interested in at the first place</a>, malware authors have long been tailoring their propositions on the basis of modules. Adding an additional module for stealtness increases the prices, as well as an additional module forwarding the process of updating the malware binary to the "customer support desk". Moreover, stripping the banker kit from modules in which the customer doesn't have interest, like for instance exclude all Asian banks the kit has already built-in capabilities to hijack and log transactions from, decreases its price.<br />
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In a truly globalized IT underground, Brazillian cybercriminals tend to prefer using the <a href="http://ddanchev.blogspot.com/2008/04/crimeware-in-middle-zeus.html">market leading tools courtesy of Russian malware authors</a>, so this localized banker malware with its basic session screenshot taking capabilities and accounting data logging has a very long way to go before it starts getting embraced by the local underground.<br />
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<b>Related posts:</b><br />
<a href="http://ddanchev.blogspot.com/2008/08/twitter-malware-campaign-wants-to-bank.html">The Twitter Malware Campaign Wants to Bank With You</a><br />
<a href="http://ddanchev.blogspot.com/2007/11/targeted-spamming-of-bankers-malware.html">Targeted Spamming of Bankers Malware</a><br />
<a href="http://ddanchev.blogspot.com/2008/03/localized-bankers-malware-campaign.html">A Localized Bankers Malware Campaign</a><br />
<a href="http://ddanchev.blogspot.com/2008/08/76service-cybercrime-as-service-going.html">76Service - Cybercrime as a Service Going Mainstream</a><br />
<a href="http://ddanchev.blogspot.com/2007/03/underground-economys-supply-of-goods.html">The Underground Economy's Supply of Goods and Services</a><br />
<a href="http://ddanchev.blogspot.com/2007/10/dynamics-of-malware-industry.html">The Dynamics of the Malware Industry - Proprietary Malware Tools</a><br />
<a href="http://ddanchev.blogspot.com/2008/06/using-market-forces-to-disrupt-botnets.html">Using Market Forces to Disrupt Botnets</a><br />
<a href="http://ddanchev.blogspot.com/2007/10/multiple-firewalls-bypassing.html">Multiple Firewalls Bypassing Verification on Demand</a><br />
<a href="http://ddanchev.blogspot.com/2007/10/managed-spamming-appliances-future-of.html">Managed Spamming Appliances - The Future of Spam</a><br />
<a href="http://ddanchev.blogspot.com/2008/02/localizing-cybercrime-cultural.html">Localizing Cybercrime - Cultural Diversity on Demand</a><br />
<a href="http://ddanchev.blogspot.com/2008/01/e-crime-and-socioeconomic-factors.html">E-crime and Socioeconomic Factors</a><b>&nbsp;</b><br />
<a href="http://ddanchev.blogspot.com/2007/08/malware-as-web-service.html">Malware as a Web Service</a><b>&nbsp;</b><br />
<a href="http://ddanchev.blogspot.com/2008/07/coding-spyware-and-malware-for-hire.html">Coding Spyware and Malware for Hire</a><br />
<a href="http://ddanchev.blogspot.com/2008/07/are-stolen-credit-card-details-getting.html">Are Stolen Credit Card Details Getting Cheaper?</a><br />
<a href="http://ddanchev.blogspot.com/2008/07/neosploit-team-leaving-it-underground.html">Neosploit Team Leaving the IT Underground</a><br />
<a href="http://ddanchev.blogspot.com/2008/06/zeus-crimeware-kit-vulnerable-to.html">The Zeus Crimeware Kit Vulnerable to Remotely Exploitable Flaw</a><br />
<a href="http://ddanchev.blogspot.com/2008/08/pinch-vulnerable-to-remotely.html">Pinch Vulnerable to Remotely Exploitable Flaw</a><br />
<a href="http://ddanchev.blogspot.com/2008/07/dissecting-managed-spamming-service.html">Dissecting a Managed Spamming Service</a><br />
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      <title><![CDATA[The Attack of the Spiders from the Clouds]]></title>
      <link>http://securityratty.com/article/c3042dae931bd669c4d7b1dca6ecf7f8</link>
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      <description><![CDATA[We have seen a lot of discussions of cloud computing in the news recently, as a technology to permit users to access technology-enabled services without knowledge of, expertise with, nor control over...]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have seen a lot of discussions of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_computing">cloud computing</a> in the news recently, as a technology to permit <em>&#8220;users to access technology-enabled services<sup> </sup>without knowledge of, expertise with, nor control over the technology infrastructure that supports them.&#8221;   </em>This sound great doesn&#8217;t it?!   Users with little to no IT expertise can log into the cloud and launch 8 instances of a server with the equivalence of 16 high performance CPU cores.   However, as we all know, all things, including cool technologies have the potential for both good and evil, opportunity or threat; and cloud computing is no different.</p>
<p>It just so happens that I have been experimenting with <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon_Elastic_Compute_Cloud">Amazon Elastic Computing Services (EC2),</a> documented in <a title="Computing in the Clouds with AWS" rel="bookmark" href="http://www.thecepblog.com/2008/07/25/computing-in-the-clouds-with-aws/">Computing in the Clouds with AWS</a> over at <a href="http://www.thecepblog.com/">The CEP Blog</a>.  The server over at <a href="http://www.unix.com/">The UNIX and Linux Forums</a> has been experiencing some very hardware-limited, high load averages recently. We thought we should take a look at moving the forum server up to the clouds.   </p>
<p>Then, a fellow system admin over at the forums suggested that maybe some rogue bots were causing high server loads; so I wrote a one-line command to do a bit of real-time spider hunting in the Apache2 logfiles.  Surprise!  I found there were a number of rogue, hungry spiders that would not follow our <a href="http://www.robotstxt.org/">robots.txt</a> directive not to crawl the site.   One of the bots was from Russia, one was from China, and another one was from Korea.  There were spiders from places I never heard of, all consuming precious  resources and denying our users!</p>
<p>So, I did what any Linux admin would do. I used <strong>iptables</strong> to block the networks of these rogue, hungry, spiders (sorry I was not very kind to these cyber creatures).  It probally comes to no surprise at this point in the story that four of the spiders were from the Amazon EC2 cloud.  Here is a sample of the output from <strong>iptables -L</strong>:</p>
<blockquote dir="ltr"><p>root@www:~# iptables -L<br />
Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT)<br />
target prot opt source destination<br />
DROP all &#8212; ec2-67-202-45-0.compute-1.amazonaws.com/24<br />
DROP all &#8212; ec2-75-101-243-0.compute-1.amazonaws.com/24<br />
DROP all &#8212; ec2-75-101-197-0.compute-1.amazonaws.com/24<br />
DROP all &#8212; ec2-75-101-213-0.compute-1.amazonaws.com/24</p></blockquote>
<p dir="ltr">Well, imagine a not-so-distant future dystopian world where criminals or terrorists want to launch a massive denial-of-service attack against some critical infrastructure, like the root DNS servers, or an attack against major financial institutions, military or e-commerce sites.   </p>
<p dir="ltr">First, the bad guys create an instance of powerful operating system with a malicious network application, they test it, and they place it the cloud (without invoking the instance, paying a very small storage fee, no computing time fee) and they wait.   Then, at the precise moment of their planned attack, they launch 128 instances each with the equivalence of whatever is the mega-platform at the time, and just blast away at their attack target(s).    Even more damaging, they do this from many cloud computing infrastructures.  (Note: The cost of the attack is minimal because the criminals are only charged a few pennies an hour for each running instance and the attack runs an hour or two.)</p>
<p dir="ltr">My experience with cloud computing, which is still maturing, is that cloud computing has great promise for both good and evil.  The very real example of the &#8220;spiders from the clouds&#8221; is a harmless enough story of folks using a cloud computing infrastructure for web crawling, perhaps hoping to be the next Google billionaires. </p>
<p dir="ltr">One the other hand, cloud computing brings with it an emerging and growing danger for the misuse of the power of cloud computing infrastructures.   The misuse could be malicious, or accidental, but never-the-less, the danger is real.</p>
<p>What an interesting world we have created!  Would would have ever dreamed 10 years ago that we could be attacked by &#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>#include &lt;horror_movie_sounds.mp3&gt;</p>
<p>&#8230;. Spiders from the Clouds.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Reprinted by permission from <a href="http://blog.isc2.org/isc2_blog/2008/07/the-attack-of-t.html" target="_blank">The Attack of the Spiders from the Clouds</a> by Tim Bass, CISSP</p>
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      <title><![CDATA[A sneak peek at a Black Hat presentation]]></title>
      <link>http://securityratty.com/article/181fe8daaf5608a4eaded35d8d32675f</link>
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      <description><![CDATA[No, it is not the Dan K DNS presentation, sorry. Patrick McGregor, CEO of BitArmor Systems is presenting at Black Hat as well. As part of our promotion with the SBN and Black Hat I have made my blog...]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, it is not the Dan K DNS presentation, sorry.  Patrick McGregor, CEO of BitArmor Systems is presenting at Black Hat as well.  As part of our promotion with the SBN and Black Hat I have made my blog available to Patrick to give us a sneak peek at his presentation.  Patrick was nice enough to prepare the following:</p>  <h4>Braving the Cold (Boot) – A Sneak Peek of My Presentation at Black Hat</h4>  <p>by Patrick McGregor</p>  <p>Cold boot attacks aren’t theoretical academic exercises. Cold boot attacks are real. And they’re serious.</p>  <p>In the past few years, companies have poured hundreds of millions of dollars into full disk encryption technologies. Companies expect full disk encryption to reduce the risk of exposure of sensitive information such as intellectual property or customer data. Reality often deviates from what is expected, however. Researchers from Princeton shocked the industry earlier in 2008 when they released a <a href="http://citp.princeton.edu/memory/">research paper</a> that showed that low-cost “Cold Boot” attacks could be used to defeat the security of most full disk encryption systems. They <a href="http://bitarmor.blogspot.com/2008/07/for-your-hacking-pleasure-cold-boot.html">recently even published</a> all the tools needed to do this at home!</p>  <p>Some have argued that Cold Boot attacks are not serious security threats. I disagree! First, an unskilled person can capitalize on the exploit using <a href="http://securosis.com/2008/03/27/uh-oh-time-to-take-cold-boot-encryption-attacks-very-seriously/">simple, automated steps</a> and <a href="http://mcgrewsecurity.com/projects/msramdmp/">publicly available tools</a>. In fact, Cold Boot attacks require nothing more than plugging a USB drive into a laptop. Second, the physical target of a Cold Boot attack, such as a laptop, is very easily obtainable (see the <a href="http://www.networkworld.com/news/2008/063008-laptops-lost-like-hot-cakes.html">recent Ponemon report</a> on laptops lost/stolen in airports – scary!). Third, although many laptops and desktops are stolen via random acts of theft, it is well known that some criminals profit from organized, calculated data theft. It is only a matter of time before we hear of a high-profile data breach that results from a simple Cold Boot attack.</p>  <p>I am excited to <a href="http://www.blackhat.com/html/bh-usa-08/bh-usa-08-speakers.html#McGregor">present at Black Hat</a> several innovations for preventing Cold Boot attacks. In addition to summarizing how a Cold Boot attack works, I’ll describe four new software techniques for hardening full disk encryption against the attacks. The software technology was developed by myself, Tim Hollebeek, Alexander Volynkin, and Matt White. All of us work for <a href="http://www.bitarmor.com/">BitArmor,</a> an exciting security startup based in Pittsburgh. Here’s a sneak peek:</p>  <p>· <b>Wash up</b>: Wipe keys immediately before certain OS state transitions, such as before the computer shuts down or goes into hibernation mode – accessing the memory will yield nothing. </p>  <p>· <b>Take advantage of BIOS memory smashing</b>: By strategically placing keys in certain regions of memory, we can rely on the BIOS boot process to overwrite keys before any operating system can dump the contents of memory.</p>  <p>· <b>Is it chilly in here?</b>: Using built-in temperature sensors, we can lock down the system in reaction to temperature drops that may indicate a Cold Boot attack is in progress.</p>  <p>· <b>Create a virtual enclave for keys</b>: We can implement special cryptographic, OS and processor architecture techniques to provide robust protection for keys against the most aggressive cold boot attacks. By creating a “virtual secure enclave” for encryption keys in software, an attacker cannot extract critical keys from memory – even if the RAM is super-cooled.</p>  <p>Hope you can join us at Black Hat as we take an <a href="http://www.blackhat.com/html/bh-usa-08/bh-usa-08-speakers.html#McGregor">in-depth look</a> at the future of full disk encryption technology.</p>
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      <title><![CDATA[Symantec takes a fling it on the wall approach to NAC]]></title>
      <link>http://securityratty.com/article/5fdd01f2a0625307de1c754d60d3d1b2</link>
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      <description><![CDATA[I was reading Tim Greene's column this morning about Symantec 's new on demand web log in for guests as part of their SNAC appliance offering. I have to admit that even I who follows the NAC market...]]></description>
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<div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><p>I was reading <a href="http://www.networkworld.com/newsletters/vpn/2008/072808nac1.html">Tim Greene's column</a> this morning about <a class="zem_slink" title="Symantec" href="http://www.symantec.com/" rel="homepage">Symantec</a>'s new on demand web log in for guests as part of their SNAC appliance offering. I have to admit that even I who follows the NAC market and competition pretty closely, get pretty confused with all of the different offerings Symantec has come out with around NAC. Symantec seems to be following a fling stuff on the wall and see what sticks strategy when it comes to NAC.&nbsp; The problem is separating the keepers from the rest of it when evaluating their offering.</p>

<p>This latest offering appears to sure up a hole that was called out in the recent <a href="http://www.crn.com/security/209101095;jsessionid=4CV2CAHUGZHEMQSNDLRSKHSCJUNN2JVN?pgno=1">CRN review</a> of their product in a bake off against Sophos and StillSecure's Safe Access. In that review Symantec's drop off in functionality between agent and agentless was called out.&nbsp; So within just a few days comes this announcement addressing the issue.&nbsp; Very timely indeed.&nbsp; This comes on the heels of Symantec's peer-to-peer approach to NAC, which came on the heels of their Endpoint Security product version 11 which had NAC included (and which I understand has already been patched/upgraded several times since its release).&nbsp; </p>

<p>At this point you have Symantec NAC with their endpoint suite which is a throw in but has no guest access option on its own. Than you have the Symantec NAC appliance which can do enforcement of managed devices beyond what just endpoint suite gives you.&nbsp; Now you also have on demand/dissolvable agents available with the Symantec NAC server (but I guess not with the endpoint suite). You also have the Symantec peer-to-peer stuff, which I think also requires the SNAC server.&nbsp; Starting to get confusing? I guess this is what happens when your NAC offering is made up of an amalgamation of several different products lumped together.</p>

<p>Not to worry though, I am sure Big Yellow will still sell plenty of all flavors of their NAC offering. At the end of the day some of this stuff is bound to stick.</p>

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      <description><![CDATA[I was reading Tim Greene's column this morning about Symantec 's new on demand web log in for guests as part of their SNAC appliance offering. I have to admit that even I who follows the NAC market...]]></description>
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<div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><p>I was reading <a href="http://www.networkworld.com/newsletters/vpn/2008/072808nac1.html">Tim Greene's column</a> this morning about <a class="zem_slink" title="Symantec" href="http://www.symantec.com/" rel="homepage">Symantec</a>'s new on demand web log in for guests as part of their SNAC appliance offering. I have to admit that even I who follows the NAC market and competition pretty closely, get pretty confused with all of the different offerings Symantec has come out with around NAC. Symantec seems to be following a fling stuff on the wall and see what sticks strategy when it comes to NAC.&nbsp; The problem is separating the keepers from the rest of it when evaluating their offering.</p>

<p>This latest offering appears to sure up a hole that was called out in the recent <a href="http://www.crn.com/security/209101095;jsessionid=4CV2CAHUGZHEMQSNDLRSKHSCJUNN2JVN?pgno=1">CRN review</a> of their product in a bake off against Sophos and StillSecure's Safe Access. In that review Symantec's drop off in functionality between agent and agentless was called out.&nbsp; So within just a few days comes this announcement addressing the issue.&nbsp; Very timely indeed.&nbsp; This comes on the heels of Symantec's peer-to-peer approach to NAC, which came on the heels of their Endpoint Security product version 11 which had NAC included (and which I understand has already been patched/upgraded several times since its release).&nbsp; </p>

<p>At this point you have Symantec NAC with their endpoint suite which is a throw in but has no guest access option on its own. Than you have the Symantec NAC appliance which can do enforcement of managed devices beyond what just endpoint suite gives you.&nbsp; Now you also have on demand/dissolvable agents available with the Symantec NAC server (but I guess not with the endpoint suite). You also have the Symantec peer-to-peer stuff, which I think also requires the SNAC server.&nbsp; Starting to get confusing? I guess this is what happens when your NAC offering is made up of an amalgamation of several different products lumped together.</p>

<p>Not to worry though, I am sure Big Yellow will still sell plenty of all flavors of their NAC offering. At the end of the day some of this stuff is bound to stick.</p>

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      <description><![CDATA[For too long we have heard the NAC knockers bad mouthing the benefits of NAC and bemoaning its lack of adoption. I have always believed that much of this was marketing spin and that companies were...]]></description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For too long we have heard the NAC knockers bad mouthing the benefits of NAC and bemoaning its lack of adoption. I have always believed that much of this was marketing spin and that companies were finding NAC highly useful.  Typical hype cycle kind of stuff. At the end of the day though nothing speaks like real world references by customers stepping up and publicly saying they use the product.  Of course, those of us in the security industry know that this is probably one of the hardest things to do. No one wants to stand up and say what they use for security.  This could give information to the bad guys and attract attention that many companies would rather not do.  At StillSecure this has always been a double edged sword for us. With many DoD networks using the product, we have not really been able to talk a lot about the great job our NAC product does on some of the most sensitive, mission critical networks in the world.  By the same token, usually we don’t announce or publicize many of the infrastructure providers who we partner with and who sell a re-branded version of our NAC product.</p>  <p>Recently several NAC customers have been stepping up and talking about how they use NAC and why. Last week there was a <a href="http://www.networkworld.com/news/2008/071808-estee-lauder.html?fsrc=netflash-rss">good article on Estee Lauder</a> using NAC first for guest access control and most recently an expansion of their NAC deployment to help with PCI compliance.  This week in an article with the usual left-handed compliments, Tim Greene in between quotes by the so called analyst experts, talks about several NAC companies rolling out NAC.  One is <a href="http://www.networkworld.com/news/2008/072108-network-access-control.html?page=2">American Bancard, another StillSecure customer</a> who uses NAC to help with PCI and keep their network secure. The article talks about several other companies using NAC solutions from other vendors as well, which is also very encouraging.  Of course the companies I have spoken about I know for a fact are using NAC.  With some of the competition, you cannot always be sure as <a href="http://www.stillsecureafteralltheseyears.com/ashimmy/2008/06/the-used-car-sa.html">I have written about</a> in the past.</p>  <p>In any event, I think it is important that we are starting to see some real public references for NAC deployments.  Nothing proves the point of a products value than real live customers stepping up and talking about it!</p>
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      <description><![CDATA[Oddly enough, someone emailed me this quote,found an email signature documented in 1998,from the Linux-Kernel archives
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      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oddly enough, someone emailed me this quote, found an email signature documented in 1998, from the Linux-Kernel archives:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Linux is a movement, a philosophy, where programmers and technical people take control of their own destiny.&#8221;  &#8212; Tim Bass</p></blockquote>
<p>Ref:  <a href="http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/9810.3/0050.html" target="_blank">Email signature, Re: Future of 2.0.36, G.W. Wettstein (greg@wind.enjellic.com), Sat, 24 Oct 1998 10:09:27 -0500 </a></p>
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      <title><![CDATA[AEP left high and dry moves to ID access control]]></title>
      <link>http://securityratty.com/article/64af30b899f6aeae68a02006bebc700d</link>
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      <description><![CDATA[AEP had been a victim of the NAC fallout. They made a bad bet on an OEM partner to provide them with NAC technology. When that NAC vendor went belly up, so did AEPs NAC product as a result. Now Tim...]]></description>
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<div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><p>AEP had been a victim of the NAC fallout.&nbsp; They made a bad bet on an OEM partner to provide them with NAC technology.&nbsp; When that NAC vendor went belly up, so did AEPs NAC product as a result.&nbsp; Now <a href="http://www.networkworld.com/newsletters/vpn/2008/071408nac1.html?nlhtnac=ts_071508&amp;nladname=071508security:networkaccesscontrolal">Tim Greene reports</a> that AEP has come out with a new device that while not strictly a NAC product, does more identity access control and does not seem to do any admission control.</p>

<p>AEP which makes a SSL VPN type of appliance has a new appliance that delivers an agent to an endpoint and authenticates the user.&nbsp; It than according to the article inserts an identifier in the payload of every packet that shows where and who that packet is from which then allows it to either pass or not pass through, only to its allowed base.&nbsp; I don’t know that seems a bit of a chokepoint/bottleneck to me, but I don’t know enough about it, only what I read in the article. </p>

<p>The appliance is not cheap with a price tag of over 50k for just 99 users.&nbsp; It seems like an awful lot of money for what it does.&nbsp; An important lesson I think on picking the right OEM partner.&nbsp; Pick the wrong one and your product goes down as collateral damage to the OEM partners demise.</p></div>

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      <description><![CDATA[I am not sure what it is with Richard Stiennon. Maybe his mom beat him with a NAC stick when he was young. Hence his Jack Nicholson looks (more like the Joker in Batman , than Col Jessep in A Few Good...]]></description>
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<div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><p><a href="http://www.stillsecureafteralltheseyears.com/ashimmy/WindowsLiveWriter/fewgoodmen.jpg"><img title="fewgoodmen" height="183" alt="fewgoodmen" src="http://www.stillsecureafteralltheseyears.com/ashimmy/WindowsLiveWriter/fewgoodmen_thumb.jpg" width="179" align="left" border="0" style="BORDER-RIGHT: 0px; BORDER-TOP: 0px; MARGIN: 0px 10px 5px 0px; BORDER-LEFT: 0px; BORDER-BOTTOM: 0px" /></a> I am not sure what it is with Richard Stiennon.&nbsp; Maybe his mom beat him with a NAC stick when he was young.&nbsp; Hence his Jack Nicholson looks (more like the Joker in <a class="zem_slink" title="Batman" href="http://www.dccomics.com/sites/batman/" rel="homepage">Batman</a>, than Col Jessep in <a class="zem_slink" title="A Few Good Men" href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0104257" rel="imdb">A Few Good Men</a>) and his total disdain for NAC.&nbsp; In any event Richard never seems to miss a chance to take a pot shot at NAC.&nbsp; I have fired back and debated him many times on this.&nbsp; In fact I am convinced that Richard's problem with NAC is that like Uncle Joe, he is just moving a little slow.&nbsp; Richard still thinks of NAC as Cisco???s network admission control, circa Dec ???03.&nbsp; He has not gotten up to speed on anything happening with NAC since.&nbsp; Richard is going to debate NAC with Joel Snyder according to <a href="http://www.networkworld.com/newsletters/vpn/2008/070708nac2.html">this article</a> by Tim Greene today. My prediction is Snyder by a knockout in 3 rounds or less.</p>

<p>Richard???s latest NAC knock comes on a comment to an <a href="http://rationalsecurity.typepad.com/blog/2008/07/security-analys.html?cid=121871540#comment-121871540">excellent article by the Hoff</a>.&nbsp; Chris takes a bold stand for someone working for a vendor and calls BS on the whole analyst thing (I will write more about that later in this article). Richard being an ex-analyst himself (lets face it, with Richard you can take the man out of the analyst job, but you can???t take the analyst out of the man), takes exception to Hoff???s ???whining??? (Richards words, not mine) and tries to tell Hoff that giving up is not the answer and the way to show up analysts, is to prove them wrong.&nbsp; Great Richard you try to prove them wrong, when because of what they report you don???t have a market, can???t get any capital and have no visibility.&nbsp; I guess that is when it is time to move on to the next gig, right? Then Richard has a bad NAC deja vu and feels it necessary to write this: </p><blockquote><p><em>???Look how easy it is to one up the analyst firms, who as near as I can tell support Network Admission Control universally. Everyone except the folks at Updata Ventures know how seriously flawed NAC is with only one viable market, edu.???</em></p></blockquote><p>I assume Richard is referring to Updata recently leading the Bradford Networks VC round. But more importantly Richard it is time to call a code red on you and give you the cold hard truth.&nbsp; Richard the fact is that the edu market is not the only viable market for NAC.&nbsp; In fact, one of the biggest customers of NAC is the DoD.&nbsp; That is right Richard at least 3 of the 4 armed forces use NAC in helping to secure their networks. To paraphrase my friend Col Jessep - Richard, you want the truth, you can???t handle the truth!&nbsp; You sleep securely under the blanket of protection that NAC provides.&nbsp; If it is good enough to help ???clean the sand??? out of laptops coming home from SWA (that is SouthWest Asia, like in Iraq and Afghanistan, in case you don???t know Richard), it should be good enough for you. Think about that next time you are about to bad mouth NAC.</p>

<p>Let me give you some other truths you may not like Richard.&nbsp; Why do you think every switch vendor (of which we partner with many of them) is lining up and bringing out NAC solutions?&nbsp; Why has Microsoft put such a big push on NAP?&nbsp; Why despite the Luddites like you does NAC still draw crowds at conferences like Interop (ask Joel about that).&nbsp; Richard we are still signing new major OEM partners.&nbsp; I am afraid you are the one sadly out of touch on this one Richard.&nbsp; Just as you are out of touch in missing Hoff???s point in his article.</p>

<p>As to Hoff???s article, as I said I give Chris credit for speaking his mind. I spend an ungodly amount of my time speaking with analysts and trying to ???learn??? from them while at the same time trying to educate them.&nbsp; I am constantly amazed that so many analysts (and press for that matter) just take a vendors word as gospel. I have seen research reports from analysts big and small, that I am sure did not have any more research done than calling a handful of vendors and listening to their spiel. Too many of these vendors if they do speak to customers, base their findings on such a small sample that it is impossible to have an accurate picture.</p>

<p>Personally, like Hoff says, who watches the watchers is the truth. I would like to see a code of conduct among analysts. I would start by dictating that vendors cannot pay analysts.&nbsp; Take the payola out of the equation the way they did to the DJ/Radio business in the late 50s. Next analyst reports have to come with metrics to back up the findings. I want to know how many customers they spoke to, how big they were, how they were found, etc.&nbsp; A vendor giving an analyst a real live???pet??? customer is not real research. I want to know if the customer pays the analyst. It is a dirty business. </p>

<p>Hey let me be clear, I play the game as well as the next guy.&nbsp; But I agree with Hoff we need to clean up the rules to make the whole analyst thing more fair, viable and valuable.</p>

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      <description><![CDATA[I am not sure what it is with Richard Stiennon. Maybe his mom beat him with a NAC stick when he was young. Hence his Jack Nicholson looks (more like the Joker in Batman , than Col Jessep in A Few Good...]]></description>
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<div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><p><a href="http://www.stillsecureafteralltheseyears.com/ashimmy/WindowsLiveWriter/fewgoodmen.jpg"><img title="fewgoodmen" height="183" alt="fewgoodmen" src="http://www.stillsecureafteralltheseyears.com/ashimmy/WindowsLiveWriter/fewgoodmen_thumb.jpg" width="179" align="left" border="0" style="BORDER-RIGHT: 0px; BORDER-TOP: 0px; MARGIN: 0px 10px 5px 0px; BORDER-LEFT: 0px; BORDER-BOTTOM: 0px" /></a> I am not sure what it is with Richard Stiennon.&nbsp; Maybe his mom beat him with a NAC stick when he was young.&nbsp; Hence his Jack Nicholson looks (more like the Joker in <a class="zem_slink" title="Batman" href="http://www.dccomics.com/sites/batman/" rel="homepage">Batman</a>, than Col Jessep in <a class="zem_slink" title="A Few Good Men" href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0104257" rel="imdb">A Few Good Men</a>) and his total disdain for NAC.&nbsp; In any event Richard never seems to miss a chance to take a pot shot at NAC.&nbsp; I have fired back and debated him many times on this.&nbsp; In fact I am convinced that Richard's problem with NAC is that like Uncle Joe, he is just moving a little slow.&nbsp; Richard still thinks of NAC as Cisco’s network admission control, circa Dec ‘03.&nbsp; He has not gotten up to speed on anything happening with NAC since.&nbsp; Richard is going to debate NAC with Joel Snyder according to <a href="http://www.networkworld.com/newsletters/vpn/2008/070708nac2.html">this article</a> by Tim Greene today. My prediction is Snyder by a knockout in 3 rounds or less.</p>

<p>Richard’s latest NAC knock comes on a comment to an <a href="http://rationalsecurity.typepad.com/blog/2008/07/security-analys.html?cid=121871540#comment-121871540">excellent article by the Hoff</a>.&nbsp; Chris takes a bold stand for someone working for a vendor and calls BS on the whole analyst thing (I will write more about that later in this article). Richard being an ex-analyst himself (lets face it, with Richard you can take the man out of the analyst job, but you can’t take the analyst out of the man), takes exception to Hoff’s “whining” (Richards words, not mine) and tries to tell Hoff that giving up is not the answer and the way to show up analysts, is to prove them wrong.&nbsp; Great Richard you try to prove them wrong, when because of what they report you don’t have a market, can’t get any capital and have no visibility.&nbsp; I guess that is when it is time to move on to the next gig, right? Then Richard has a bad NAC deja vu and feels it necessary to write this: </p><blockquote><p><em>“Look how easy it is to one up the analyst firms, who as near as I can tell support Network Admission Control universally. Everyone except the folks at Updata Ventures know how seriously flawed NAC is with only one viable market, edu.”</em></p></blockquote><p>I assume Richard is referring to Updata recently leading the Bradford Networks VC round. But more importantly Richard it is time to call a code red on you and give you the cold hard truth.&nbsp; Richard the fact is that the edu market is not the only viable market for NAC.&nbsp; In fact, one of the biggest customers of NAC is the DoD.&nbsp; That is right Richard at least 3 of the 4 armed forces use NAC in helping to secure their networks. To paraphrase my friend Col Jessep - Richard, you want the truth, you can’t handle the truth!&nbsp; You sleep securely under the blanket of protection that NAC provides.&nbsp; If it is good enough to help “clean the sand” out of laptops coming home from SWA (that is SouthWest Asia, like in Iraq and Afghanistan, in case you don’t know Richard), it should be good enough for you. Think about that next time you are about to bad mouth NAC.</p>

<p>Let me give you some other truths you may not like Richard.&nbsp; Why do you think every switch vendor (of which we partner with many of them) is lining up and bringing out NAC solutions?&nbsp; Why has Microsoft put such a big push on NAP?&nbsp; Why despite the Luddites like you does NAC still draw crowds at conferences like Interop (ask Joel about that).&nbsp; Richard we are still signing new major OEM partners.&nbsp; I am afraid you are the one sadly out of touch on this one Richard.&nbsp; Just as you are out of touch in missing Hoff’s point in his article.</p>

<p>As to Hoff’s article, as I said I give Chris credit for speaking his mind. I spend an ungodly amount of my time speaking with analysts and trying to “learn” from them while at the same time trying to educate them.&nbsp; I am constantly amazed that so many analysts (and press for that matter) just take a vendors word as gospel. I have seen research reports from analysts big and small, that I am sure did not have any more research done than calling a handful of vendors and listening to their spiel. Too many of these vendors if they do speak to customers, base their findings on such a small sample that it is impossible to have an accurate picture.</p>

<p>Personally, like Hoff says, who watches the watchers is the truth. I would like to see a code of conduct among analysts. I would start by dictating that vendors cannot pay analysts.&nbsp; Take the payola out of the equation the way they did to the DJ/Radio business in the late 50s. Next analyst reports have to come with metrics to back up the findings. I want to know how many customers they spoke to, how big they were, how they were found, etc.&nbsp; A vendor giving an analyst a real live“pet” customer is not real research. I want to know if the customer pays the analyst. It is a dirty business. </p>

<p>Hey let me be clear, I play the game as well as the next guy.&nbsp; But I agree with Hoff we need to clean up the rules to make the whole analyst thing more fair, viable and valuable.</p>

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